Serious injuries and help? Sensitive topic.

Forty wrote:

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Suns_PSD wrote:

The cost of Socialized medicine would be LESS $, a LOT LESS $, if done right. 1-2% gain! How about a 50% drop to match every...

The cost of Socialized medicine would be LESS $, a LOT LESS $, if done right. 1-2% gain! How about a 50% drop to match every other 1st world country.

Literally if we just copied the exact Canadian healthcare plan to the tee we would cut our medical expenses in half in this country.

People are just stupid, plain and simple. They argue that they 'don't want to pay for deadbeats' but they miss some huge points: 1) many health insurance deadbeats make $50K+/ year and could have in fact afforded Health Insurance, 2) those of us that pay our medical bills and insurance companies are ALREADY paying for those deadbeats since the cost of unpaid medical care is just charged to those that do pay for it.


Our country should build it's own labs, make it's own drugs (fuck the patents), expand Gov. Healthcare providing basic medical services with a reasonable lifetime limit. Then good companies could offer 'Cadillac' plans as a benefit that includes private birthing rooms, Vegetative state extended care, etc...)

Let me give you just one very small example: The drug to cure Hep C cost $84K for the 12 week treatment in the USA (a fraction of that elsewhere). 3.5 million Americans have Hep C.

Just the cost savings that America could realize by manufacturing this one tiny product (would cost literally a few dollars per dose) would be 294 BILLION dollars which is right about a thousand dollars for every American. For that 1 tiny little problem. But instead we'll pay so much more of the drugs, then others will wait and get liver transplants, people will die, and so on.

We are pissing away money and lives because the lobbiest control our policy, and not in our best interest.

Suns_PSD wrote:

The cost of Socialized medicine would be LESS $, a LOT LESS $, if done right. 1-2% gain! How about a 50% drop to match every...

The cost of Socialized medicine would be LESS $, a LOT LESS $, if done right. 1-2% gain! How about a 50% drop to match every other 1st world country.

Literally if we just copied the exact Canadian healthcare plan to the tee we would cut our medical expenses in half in this country.

People are just stupid, plain and simple. They argue that they 'don't want to pay for deadbeats' but they miss some huge points: 1) many health insurance deadbeats make $50K+/ year and could have in fact afforded Health Insurance, 2) those of us that pay our medical bills and insurance companies are ALREADY paying for those deadbeats since the cost of unpaid medical care is just charged to those that do pay for it.


Our country should build it's own labs, make it's own drugs (fuck the patents), expand Gov. Healthcare providing basic medical services with a reasonable lifetime limit. Then good companies could offer 'Cadillac' plans as a benefit that includes private birthing rooms, Vegetative state extended care, etc...)

Let me give you just one very small example: The drug to cure Hep C cost $84K for the 12 week treatment in the USA (a fraction of that elsewhere). 3.5 million Americans have Hep C.

Just the cost savings that America could realize by manufacturing this one tiny product (would cost literally a few dollars per dose) would be 294 BILLION dollars which is right about a thousand dollars for every American. For that 1 tiny little problem. But instead we'll pay so much more of the drugs, then others will wait and get liver transplants, people will die, and so on.

We are pissing away money and lives because the lobbiest control our policy, and not in our best interest.

Suns_PSD wrote:

The cost of Socialized medicine would be LESS $, a LOT LESS $, if done right. 1-2% gain! How about a 50% drop to match every...

The cost of Socialized medicine would be LESS $, a LOT LESS $, if done right. 1-2% gain! How about a 50% drop to match every other 1st world country.

Literally if we just copied the exact Canadian healthcare plan to the tee we would cut our medical expenses in half in this country.

People are just stupid, plain and simple. They argue that they 'don't want to pay for deadbeats' but they miss some huge points: 1) many health insurance deadbeats make $50K+/ year and could have in fact afforded Health Insurance, 2) those of us that pay our medical bills and insurance companies are ALREADY paying for those deadbeats since the cost of unpaid medical care is just charged to those that do pay for it.


Our country should build it's own labs, make it's own drugs (fuck the patents), expand Gov. Healthcare providing basic medical services with a reasonable lifetime limit. Then good companies could offer 'Cadillac' plans as a benefit that includes private birthing rooms, Vegetative state extended care, etc...)

Let me give you just one very small example: The drug to cure Hep C cost $84K for the 12 week treatment in the USA (a fraction of that elsewhere). 3.5 million Americans have Hep C.

Just the cost savings that America could realize by manufacturing this one tiny product (would cost literally a few dollars per dose) would be 294 BILLION dollars which is right about a thousand dollars for every American. For that 1 tiny little problem. But instead we'll pay so much more of the drugs, then others will wait and get liver transplants, people will die, and so on.

We are pissing away money and lives because the lobbiest control our policy, and not in our best interest.

SoCalMX70 wrote:

Don't even bother trying to convince people. I used to work for a large health insurance company and saw some crazy shit with how it all...

Don't even bother trying to convince people. I used to work for a large health insurance company and saw some crazy shit with how it all connects... And I have been explaining to friends for years how much cheaper it'd be if we got everyone insured under one umbrella. No one cares and no one likes to be told the beliefs that their daddy's instilled in them are flawed.

The single biggest problem though (as already mentioned) is undoing the current rigged system. No one that is running the show is going to part with their power and money so easily. Whatever the solution may be, socialized or private, nothing will improve until the current system is blown the fuck up.

Suns_PSD wrote:

The cost of Socialized medicine would be LESS $, a LOT LESS $, if done right. 1-2% gain! How about a 50% drop to match every...

The cost of Socialized medicine would be LESS $, a LOT LESS $, if done right. 1-2% gain! How about a 50% drop to match every other 1st world country.

Literally if we just copied the exact Canadian healthcare plan to the tee we would cut our medical expenses in half in this country.

People are just stupid, plain and simple. They argue that they 'don't want to pay for deadbeats' but they miss some huge points: 1) many health insurance deadbeats make $50K+/ year and could have in fact afforded Health Insurance, 2) those of us that pay our medical bills and insurance companies are ALREADY paying for those deadbeats since the cost of unpaid medical care is just charged to those that do pay for it.


Our country should build it's own labs, make it's own drugs (fuck the patents), expand Gov. Healthcare providing basic medical services with a reasonable lifetime limit. Then good companies could offer 'Cadillac' plans as a benefit that includes private birthing rooms, Vegetative state extended care, etc...)

Let me give you just one very small example: The drug to cure Hep C cost $84K for the 12 week treatment in the USA (a fraction of that elsewhere). 3.5 million Americans have Hep C.

Just the cost savings that America could realize by manufacturing this one tiny product (would cost literally a few dollars per dose) would be 294 BILLION dollars which is right about a thousand dollars for every American. For that 1 tiny little problem. But instead we'll pay so much more of the drugs, then others will wait and get liver transplants, people will die, and so on.

We are pissing away money and lives because the lobbiest control our policy, and not in our best interest.

Zoom wrote:

Road To Recovery is set up only to help AMA pro riders.

jjavaman wrote:

When I read posts like this it makes me happy I’m Canadian. I busted my pelvis and thumb 3 years ago, cost me 85$ for the...

When I read posts like this it makes me happy I’m Canadian. I busted my pelvis and thumb 3 years ago, cost me 85$ for the ambulance ride(I could of called a rescue chopper in for the same 85$). Did not cost me a penny once I was in hospital and the company I worked for had group insurance to pay my wages for the 6 months I was off.
I always thought your Declaration of Independence started with “we the people “? If you put politics aside, just try for a second, don’t you think paying 1 or 2% more in taxes so you and your fellow Americans(we the people) didn’t have to worry about being sick, getting hurt or just going to a Dr. would be a good thing?

RockyMtnMX wrote:

1%-2% more?? That's hilarious! I guess you have not seen the cost for the "medicare for all" program that the leftists in this country are pushing...

1%-2% more?? That's hilarious!

I guess you have not seen the cost for the "medicare for all" program that the leftists in this country are pushing? $30trillion + over 10 years and that is just the "expansion" part - that doesn't count the current cost of medicare.

Our current federal budget is $4trillion. So almost a doubling of the annual budget. Now you could assume that would require a doubling of tax rates to ay the difference (not 1-2%) - but now you run in to the issue of the laws of economics - because doubling tax rates would cripple the economy and you would derive LESS net revenue. Our private sector is already being suffocated by taxes.

Also - that $30 trillion number and the program they are pushing includes doctors getting paid approx. HALF what they get paid now. We already have a problem with doctors leaving the industry - how many are gonna stick around getting paid half? Not all doctors are balling $500k+ a year either - many are only making $150k or less as general practitioners. Further, how many people are going to take the long expensive road to become a doctor if they get paid like crap?

And that is how you get 5 month+ wait times to see specialists in places with single payer healthcare - because it doesn't pay to be in medicine anymore. There are significant wait times for specialists in single payer systems - plenty of studies out there prove that data point.

No thanks....I think we should go the opposite direction - get govt. the hell out of our healthcare system so we can have what we had back in the 50's (a world class system) prior to medicare and medicaid getting instituted and govt sticking their nose under the healthcare tent.

jjavaman wrote:

When I read posts like this it makes me happy I’m Canadian. I busted my pelvis and thumb 3 years ago, cost me 85$ for the...

When I read posts like this it makes me happy I’m Canadian. I busted my pelvis and thumb 3 years ago, cost me 85$ for the ambulance ride(I could of called a rescue chopper in for the same 85$). Did not cost me a penny once I was in hospital and the company I worked for had group insurance to pay my wages for the 6 months I was off.
I always thought your Declaration of Independence started with “we the people “? If you put politics aside, just try for a second, don’t you think paying 1 or 2% more in taxes so you and your fellow Americans(we the people) didn’t have to worry about being sick, getting hurt or just going to a Dr. would be a good thing?

RockyMtnMX wrote:

1%-2% more?? That's hilarious! I guess you have not seen the cost for the "medicare for all" program that the leftists in this country are pushing...

1%-2% more?? That's hilarious!

I guess you have not seen the cost for the "medicare for all" program that the leftists in this country are pushing? $30trillion + over 10 years and that is just the "expansion" part - that doesn't count the current cost of medicare.

Our current federal budget is $4trillion. So almost a doubling of the annual budget. Now you could assume that would require a doubling of tax rates to ay the difference (not 1-2%) - but now you run in to the issue of the laws of economics - because doubling tax rates would cripple the economy and you would derive LESS net revenue. Our private sector is already being suffocated by taxes.

Also - that $30 trillion number and the program they are pushing includes doctors getting paid approx. HALF what they get paid now. We already have a problem with doctors leaving the industry - how many are gonna stick around getting paid half? Not all doctors are balling $500k+ a year either - many are only making $150k or less as general practitioners. Further, how many people are going to take the long expensive road to become a doctor if they get paid like crap?

And that is how you get 5 month+ wait times to see specialists in places with single payer healthcare - because it doesn't pay to be in medicine anymore. There are significant wait times for specialists in single payer systems - plenty of studies out there prove that data point.

No thanks....I think we should go the opposite direction - get govt. the hell out of our healthcare system so we can have what we had back in the 50's (a world class system) prior to medicare and medicaid getting instituted and govt sticking their nose under the healthcare tent.

hogkiller wrote:

https://money.stackexchange.com/questions/5009/comparison-between-us-an…

RockyMtnMX wrote:

So that links to a forum post where someone who is either truly ignorant or purposefully trying to deceive people has a post talking about taxes...

So that links to a forum post where someone who is either truly ignorant or purposefully trying to deceive people has a post talking about taxes and "cost savings"? I only had to read the first part where he tries to use only the top tax rates in each country to push the impression "Canada wins!". The reality is you need to look at effective tax rates since that is the average tax a person pays. The bottom 20 percent of USA taxpayers face an average tax rate of -4.5 percent, which is essentially a tax subsidy. Middle quintile taxpayers were around 13-17% and the top 1 percent of taxpayers face an average tax rate of 24.6 percent.

But - the cost savings part is there biggest joke of that analysis as it relates to what the leftists in the country are proposing. Understand that the "cost savings" for Medicare for All is the 40% reduction in reimbursements (meaning the doctors and other providers in the medical system are getting $0.60 on the dollar for their efforts. So the $3 trillion per year price tag INCLUDES the cost savings of 40% to providers. Now - how many doctors are going to stick around getting paid $0.60 on the dollar for their efforts? Explain again how we find an extra $3 trillion per year to provide "free" healthcare.

Finally - that analysis you linked to misses a huge point - Canada has 37m citizens it needs to raise funding to service - we have 325m in the USA. Massive difference.

Canadian wait times for treatment are a fact and easily documented. In 2017, more than 173,000 patients waited for an ophthalmology procedure. Another 91,000 lined up for some form of general surgery, while more than 40,000 waited for a urology procedure.

After receiving a referral from a general practitioner, the typical patient waited more than 21 weeks to receive treatment from a specialist. That was the longest average waiting period on record -- and more than double the median wait in 1993. Rural patients faced even longer delays - the typical patient in rural Nova Scotia waited nearly 39 weeks for the same procedure.

Bramlett321 wrote:

I Don't think most riders have as good of insurance as most of us. Just speculating of course and in some cases the circumstances are more...

I Don't think most riders have as good of insurance as most of us. Just speculating of course and in some cases the circumstances are more severe, not necessarily the injury itself but where they may be, as in Peick's case. Stuck in another country speaking a foreign language. Personally I've had 3 back surgeries, an artificial disc in my back and broke my back for the 2nd time last October but my coverage took care of most of the expenses. But hell that was just one body part lol.....it does add up.

Bermworm wrote:

So true, could've just said our society.Don't know why the good old USA can't figure this out.

Forty wrote:

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dmm698 wrote:

Being employed by a company who covers my health insurance in the states, with a very small deductible (had a large get off myself in June...

Being employed by a company who covers my health insurance in the states, with a very small deductible (had a large get off myself in June of 18), kind of makes this an unfair comparison.

For those who do have to pay out of pocket via at a discount through their employer, or through some personal insurance where they pay the entire premium, Whats the average cost?

To make it fair, can I ask what the average Canadian would pay on say, 75,000$ CDN in income tax as a single person?
Lets say in a state with state income tax, comibining all taxes together you paid 25% of your gross in income tax barring any wild deductions. That'd be about 19k give or take.

Because I have no idea, although i've heard statements from others before, approximately 50% for a middle class two income family in canada, lets just assume 32% in Canada for a single earner. Thats 24000.

Difference of 5000$/year, ~415$ a month. Are those in the states paying 415 a month or more for insurance on average?

I have no idea, I just made quite a few of these numbers up but the math would hold true barring the currency conversion ect ect. Ovbiously any difference in tax isnt immediately tied to health care, but from what i've seen in general, everything in Canada costs more. Fuel, Vehicle Registrations ect, even with the exchange rate as good as it is at the moment.

Sonny wrote:

Nothing should prohibit pro riders from unionizing. To negotiate with Feld as they do with manufacturers would be beneficial. They could most certainly get a group...

Nothing should prohibit pro riders from unionizing. To negotiate with Feld as they do with manufacturers would be beneficial. They could most certainly get a group health insurance provider.

49weasel wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/01/31/322317/s1200_A09183AC_8BC1_4342_B185_94FE2074BD02.jpg[/img] This... Ken could easily stroke a 500k check or more without batting an eye. Why not use R2R money for someone way less fortunate?

This... Ken could easily stroke a 500k check or more without batting an eye. Why not use R2R money for someone way less fortunate?

kb228 wrote:

Listen to what youre saying. NOBODY is writing a check for 500k without batting an eye. 500k is a lot of money to anyone. Especially in...

Listen to what youre saying. NOBODY is writing a check for 500k without batting an eye. 500k is a lot of money to anyone. Especially in our sport. Seriously, at the end of the day YOU need to make sure you are covered. Expecting handouts isnt acceptable. R2r raised $325k in 2018. With the number if sports injuries, theyd never keep up.

49weasel wrote:

So you’re telling me if you were making 3-5 million a year you wouldn’t stroke a sizeable check for a close friend/family member that was seriously...

So you’re telling me if you were making 3-5 million a year you wouldn’t stroke a sizeable check for a close friend/family member that was seriously injured?

Ken has been on the better side of 7 figure salaries for awhile now, he could easily foot the bill.