Seely's suspension, is it an air shock?

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10/1/2017 4:16pm Edited Date/Time 10/4/2017 5:22pm
As the topic says, is it an air shock?
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philG
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10/1/2017 4:18pm
Nope, word is that a retaining clip for the spring platform let go .. twice
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10/1/2017 4:18pm
RangerLee wrote:
As the topic says, is it an air shock?
No and no one in that field was using an "air spring" shock.
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10/1/2017 4:20pm
philG wrote:
Nope, word is that a retaining clip for the spring platform let go .. twice
That was my best guess. The mud build up around the linkage could catch the ring around the bumper cup as it's pretty low on that bike. If it built up enough to compress the ring during a deep stroke movement, it could disslodge the retaining clip and release the spring when the shock goes to extend.
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10/1/2017 4:22pm
Did one of the GP Honda teams "help" with his bike?!?!?!?!?

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10/1/2017 4:27pm
philG wrote:
Nope, word is that a retaining clip for the spring platform let go .. twice
ML512 wrote:
That was my best guess. The mud build up around the linkage could catch the ring around the bumper cup as it's pretty low on that...
That was my best guess. The mud build up around the linkage could catch the ring around the bumper cup as it's pretty low on that bike. If it built up enough to compress the ring during a deep stroke movement, it could disslodge the retaining clip and release the spring when the shock goes to extend.
When I changed the spring on my '18, I was not impressed with how little was keeping the spring on the shock. Just doesn't seem strong enough to my untrained eye.If anything better in the aftermarket comes out I will buy it.
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10/1/2017 4:34pm
Was seely the only HRC rider running Kyb units? Gasjer and Bobryshev on Showa?
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10/1/2017 4:36pm
philG wrote:
Nope, word is that a retaining clip for the spring platform let go .. twice
ML512 wrote:
That was my best guess. The mud build up around the linkage could catch the ring around the bumper cup as it's pretty low on that...
That was my best guess. The mud build up around the linkage could catch the ring around the bumper cup as it's pretty low on that bike. If it built up enough to compress the ring during a deep stroke movement, it could disslodge the retaining clip and release the spring when the shock goes to extend.
Is a Factory KYB the same as the stocker..??

I have never seen or heard of that ever anywhere else, im guessing either the groove for the clip was too deep, or the wrong wire dia , meaning it blew past it and then it fell off.

Anyway, it wasnt a clevis/ shock failure.
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10/1/2017 4:47pm
Did any other bikes, or Honda's have the same issue? Sucks to have it happen once, strange to have it happen twice.
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I thought it might be the shock mount.
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Not a sterling advertisement of a new bike on the world's biggest stage and I am a big Honda fan.
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10/1/2017 4:59pm
On one hand it seams funny to have it happen in both motos but on the other hand we really haven't had a thick mudder like that sense that bike/shock combo has been out. (Unadilla was more wet than muddy I was there) but I would like to know if a whole new shock was mounted second motor or did they just put a new clip on the first failed one. On any note it sucks balls for Cole and the team.
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10/1/2017 5:01pm
RangerLee wrote:
Did any other bikes, or Honda's have the same issue? Sucks to have it happen once, strange to have it happen twice.
It is a factory shock which is likely built to Hondas specs, so unlikely any other bikes in the MXdN field have it. Certainly no reported failures on bikes you buy off the showroom floor.
10/1/2017 6:12pm
RangerLee wrote:
Did any other bikes, or Honda's have the same issue? Sucks to have it happen once, strange to have it happen twice.
kiwifan wrote:
It is a factory shock which is likely built to Hondas specs, so unlikely any other bikes in the MXdN field have it. Certainly no reported...
It is a factory shock which is likely built to Hondas specs, so unlikely any other bikes in the MXdN field have it. Certainly no reported failures on bikes you buy off the showroom floor.
No other Honda out there had the failure so I wouldn't blame the bike. Could be a specific part that only the US team was using or technician not assembling parts correctly.
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10/1/2017 9:13pm
I can remember back in the day when safety wire was used to secure most parts. Not sure if it would apply or would have prevented this shock part failure. Made Honda and HRC look really bad not once but two times in a row. I bet some people are no longer with the company. Cole Seely is lucky he did not get injured because of this stupid failure. It is amazing how a very inexpensive part failure can do so much damage. I have seen it many times before in motor sports. Sucks to be HRC having to explain to the top Honda brass the meaning of "WTF".
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10/1/2017 10:00pm
I'm still wondering if the linkage/linkage bolts failed..?
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TeamGreen wrote:
I'm still wondering if the linkage/linkage bolts failed..?
I thought the same thing when I saw his bike on the track. Some kind of linkage failure. We will probably never really know. That stuff is top secret.
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A few photos from the pits, final settings weren't dialled in until Saturday morning less than an hour before free practice started.... Gutted for the US team that it happened.
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10/1/2017 10:48pm
My '96 rear shock held up great today at the pro challenge. Perhaps we should show up 2 strokes to make a "Shocking" impact on results.
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TeamGreen wrote:
I'm still wondering if the linkage/linkage bolts failed..?
wfo4ever wrote:
I thought the same thing when I saw his bike on the track. Some kind of linkage failure. We will probably never really know. That stuff...
I thought the same thing when I saw his bike on the track. Some kind of linkage failure. We will probably never really know. That stuff is top secret.
I told you already, the retaining wire /clip for the Spring platform Broke/fell off... that's live on the ground news , not a sat on the sofa guess.
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10/2/2017 3:04am
No inside info what really happened with the shock? No pictures? Bad luck for US boys
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10/2/2017 3:37am
Would have never ever guessed that a HRC bike would ever have a failure like that once let alone TWICE!!

HRC with their thousand dollar foot pegs, perfect wire tying and dozens of clear protective stickers so nothing wears on the anodised parts... Seems like a real rookie error...
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10/2/2017 3:52am
Stuff happens, anyone racing long enough knows that. It does look bad on HRC to have the same problem back to back. Hate it for team USA... At least he had the balls to try...
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10/2/2017 3:57am Edited Date/Time 10/2/2017 3:58am
To be honest it takes a bit of heat off of him how he had selected reverse gear. He looked out of his depth which for a factory rider isn't good.
I like Seely but since roczens injury he's performed less stellar
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10/2/2017 4:05am
David934 wrote:
No inside info what really happened with the shock? No pictures? Bad luck for US boys
Yes... the fucking spring platform clip let go... Dan Betley and Roger D don't post here, so you will have to take my word, direct from the track, told to me by someone who witnessed both failures.
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10/2/2017 5:07am
And technically, it wasn't a Honda fault, just a proprietary part supplied to the team. They just bolt it on.

Having measured literally hundreds (maybe even thousands) of circlips , and there associated grooves and mating parts , its possible that even a slight error in one , two or all 3 parts will give a failure.

I would expect that KYB use a standard clip, so a fault in the other two parts is possible, groove too deep in the clevis is my favourite.
10/2/2017 5:22am
Hard to believe such a thing can happen at that level.
Oh well...
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10/2/2017 6:15am
Is this design the same as a production bike?
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10/2/2017 6:24am
Official Honda release will indicate it was an electrical failure.
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Official Honda release will indicate it was an electrical failure.
Funny!
(Cause it’s true.)

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