Seelys comments on Euro speed

Huh. At Indiana, Herlings described some of the GP tracks as small and tight.

Getting faster tracks to race on? Wut?!

The US national tracks are way faster and more open compared to the majority of GP tracks.

Seely's comments were on how fast they were going in the mud. He stated the rain started and they were going just as fast in the mud as before the rain and he could not comprehend that speed.

Have you ever created a sensable thread?

GuyB wrote:

Huh. At Indiana, Herlings described some of the GP tracks as small and tight.

Exactly so how did they get so fast?

m.hardesty16 wrote:

Have you ever created a sensable thread?

Barcia may have been a better choice in that respect then, re mud. Guess bike availability came into the equation and killed that idea. Still, Cole did the best he can and I hope it's given him a whole bunch of new motovation and measurement of outdoor speed to reach for. Cole Seely fan right here. Love his BMX inspired SX style

Motofinne wrote:

Getting faster tracks to race on? Wut?!

The US national tracks are way faster and more open compared to the majority of GP tracks.

So why are they slower?

RangerLee wrote:

Seely's comments were on how fast they were going in the mud. He stated the rain started and they were going just as fast in the mud as before the rain and he could not comprehend that speed.

He also said they were launching the big stuff right out of the box and it took him awhile

kkawboy14 wrote:

Exactly so how did they get so fast?

They focus on motocross year-round. Our guys go back and forth between Supercross and motocross. I think if our guys rode MX full-time their suspension setup (and potentially their riding style) might evolve to something closer to what the GP guys use.

GuyB wrote:

Huh. At Indiana, Herlings described some of the GP tracks as small and tight.

kkawboy14 wrote:

Exactly so how did they get so fast?

Smaller, tighter tracks are slower. So they go slower to get faster.

GuyB wrote:

They focus on motocross year-round. Our guys go back and forth between Supercross and motocross. I think if our guys rode MX full-time their suspension setup (and potentially their riding style) might evolve to something closer to what the GP guys use.

Ding ding ding! Can’t believe how some people just can’t grasp this. You’d think it was fakin rocket science lol

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kkawboy14 wrote:

Exactly so how did they get so fast?

GuyB wrote:

They focus on motocross year-round. Our guys go back and forth between Supercross and motocross. I think if our guys rode MX full-time their suspension setup (and potentially their riding style) might evolve to something closer to what the GP guys use.

Flip109 wrote:

Ding ding ding! Can’t believe how some people just can’t grasp this. You’d think it was fakin rocket science lol

I can grasp it, and I agree. In fact I think they get so used to stiff sx suspension that it's hard for them to get comfortable at softer mx settings.

So I guess the answer to the question is: they are never gonna catch up

kkawboy14 wrote:

Exactly so how did they get so fast?

GuyB wrote:

They focus on motocross year-round. Our guys go back and forth between Supercross and motocross. I think if our guys rode MX full-time their suspension setup (and potentially their riding style) might evolve to something closer to what the GP guys use.

Flip109 wrote:

Ding ding ding! Can’t believe how some people just can’t grasp this. You’d think it was fakin rocket science lol

Yep and half their training is spent on perfectly prepped SX tracks. When the track is smooth we have the raw insanely fast speed. When it gets rough Americans struggle to keep the same intensity of just going all out for a whole moto. We also don't have as many mud races and because of that most Americans don't practice it either. also its alot easier to jump everything in the mud when you know the track which may have been why Seely was so surprised by the GP riders launching everything so quickly. Didn't one of the GP riders make a similar quote about the usgp, Americans can push further on a groomed track but when it's rough the GP riders excel? I could be wrong on that, just thought I remembered one of them saying something. Have a SX Des Nations and it would go way different. Lol

To be fair Matterly Basin probably isn't a great representation of the GP tracks.

Imagine if Gajser wins Monster cup.

I would need to leave this place for a month lol.

No two ways about it- European riders are fast.

Now the question being "Can these guys ever catch up?" is really about the MXDN- which appears to be losing attractiveness to many of the potential American riders. So, its not so much about US riders increasing speed but having an interest in the event.

Sure next year will be on American and that will surely help, but really I cannot envision the competitiveness with Euros being big concern in the future. The business of racing has changed. If team managers (not just Roger but those who are working with the riders all year long) are reluctant to have there athletes do it, its all a moot point.

Heres another interview with seely. He mentions the speed of thebother riders here aswell.

http://mxvice.com/71179/chatter-box-cole-seely-2

I think once the GP riders finally evolved out of their gooney ass riding style is when they finally caught up. Hell most of them scrub better than bubbles himself now. Combine that with pounding out motos year round on tracks like Lommel and Crazy sand over there, and all the rain they get year round. And they do this all year. Year after year. You have the makings of some motocross riders that eat sunbaked hardpack single line supercross riders for breakfast when the conditions go to hell. I mean seely is known fir his sx skills first. They ate his ass!

GuyB wrote:

They focus on motocross year-round. Our guys go back and forth between Supercross and motocross. I think if our guys rode MX full-time their suspension setup (and potentially their riding style) might evolve to something closer to what the GP guys use.

Flip109 wrote:

Ding ding ding! Can’t believe how some people just can’t grasp this. You’d think it was fakin rocket science lol

kkawboy14 wrote:

I can grasp it, and I agree. In fact I think they get so used to stiff sx suspension that it's hard for them to get comfortable at softer mx settings.

So I guess the answer to the question is: they are never gonna catch up

Who is they, because Tomac still has won 5 out of his 6 USGP moto's. Clearly he benefits from the races being on home soil, but I find it hard to believe our top guys will "never catch up" when they are already beating top GP competition.

Flip109 wrote:

I think once the GP riders finally evolved out of their gooney ass riding style is when they finally caught up. Hell most of them scrub better than bubbles himself now. Combine that with pounding out motos year round on tracks like Lommel and Crazy sand over there, and all the rain they get year round. And they do this all year. Year after year. You have the makings of some motocross riders that eat sunbaked hardpack single line supercross riders for breakfast when the conditions go to hell. I mean seely is known fir his sx skills first. They ate his ass!

I agree with a lot you say. The Euros that are on the top level now have grown up with internet, videos etc watching the American style of riding. The aggressiveness, the intensity etc. The major advantage that Americans had is gone.

It's like Matthes once in awhile mentions. He went to the German GP in 2009 and the difference in riding style was massive between the MX1 and MX2(kids) class. The MX2 riders looked like the Americans. They had the intensity and aggressiveness that the old guys in MX1 lacked. Now they are in the MXGP class. I think that is the most significant part of why Europeans have caught the Americans. Mix the aggressiveness with the technicality and diversity of tracks and conditions and there we have it.

I might be wrong but that is my theory on it.

kkawboy14 wrote:

Exactly so how did they get so fast?

GuyB wrote:

They focus on motocross year-round. Our guys go back and forth between Supercross and motocross. I think if our guys rode MX full-time their suspension setup (and potentially their riding style) might evolve to something closer to what the GP guys use.

Flip109 wrote:

Ding ding ding! Can’t believe how some people just can’t grasp this. You’d think it was fakin rocket science lol

So you guys put the blame on suspension set ups? Interesting

You must have a lot of time of your hands to come up with so many dumb threads.

GuyB wrote:

They focus on motocross year-round. Our guys go back and forth between Supercross and motocross. I think if our guys rode MX full-time their suspension setup (and potentially their riding style) might evolve to something closer to what the GP guys use.

Flip109 wrote:

Ding ding ding! Can’t believe how some people just can’t grasp this. You’d think it was fakin rocket science lol

MohMoto14 wrote:

Yep and half their training is spent on perfectly prepped SX tracks. When the track is smooth we have the raw insanely fast speed. When it gets rough Americans struggle to keep the same intensity of just going all out for a whole moto. We also don't have as many mud races and because of that most Americans don't practice it either. also its alot easier to jump everything in the mud when you know the track which may have been why Seely was so surprised by the GP riders launching everything so quickly. Didn't one of the GP riders make a similar quote about the usgp, Americans can push further on a groomed track but when it's rough the GP riders excel? I could be wrong on that, just thought I remembered one of them saying something. Have a SX Des Nations and it would go way different. Lol

Idk about the roughness part. Our top guys shred when it’s rough. I mean Tomac was killing it in the main events when it was gnarly

GuyB wrote:

They focus on motocross year-round. Our guys go back and forth between Supercross and motocross. I think if our guys rode MX full-time their suspension setup (and potentially their riding style) might evolve to something closer to what the GP guys use.

Flip109 wrote:

Ding ding ding! Can’t believe how some people just can’t grasp this. You’d think it was fakin rocket science lol

roundtheoutside wrote:

So you guys put the blame on suspension set ups? Interesting

The thing I struggle to understand is-

during the two win streaks team USA have enjoyed, you guys spent the same portion of your year racing supercross as you do now. And you were winning then!
Further to this, Im sure i recall these words "the American riders are so strong BECAUSE they have the intensity of supercross to condition them"

So years ago you were THANKING supercross for your superiority, but now you're BLAMING supercross?!

WTH??

agn5009 wrote:

You must have a lot of time of your hands to come up with so many dumb threads.

I do.... I must have as much time as you since you respond to dumb threads and then I respond to your dumb posts and then you respond to my dumb posts and then.....

Sideways wrote:

Heres another interview with seely. He mentions the speed of thebother riders here aswell.

http://mxvice.com/71179/chatter-box-cole-seely-2

WOW his comments are basically saying they ripped his heart out there! Don't even know if he wants anymore of that!

Some variety of soil would probably help US Nationals riders.

A 17 SX and then 12 round MX series is not optimal for developing MX skills. Not sure it really makes a huge difference, but I think it does detract form MX somewhat.