SX/MX without radios is so 20th century

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Watching Indy qualifying today I was reminded how laughable it is to think SX/MX racers can't receive pit board information via radio as they go past the mechanics area. "We can't have radios because they're concentrating!" meanwhile Indy car drivers are communicating 2 ways at over 230 MPH. NASCAR and F1 can handle comms at over 200 MPH but our racers can't receive verbal updates.

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I would like to see what is would sound like for us to hear the comms. Would be pretty cool.

I would think SX has a lot of noise around the riders going on so might be difficult to hear.
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Would the spotters tell the riders where to block on the track or play tactics when the rider behind him is faster?
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Anyone have the photo of Jeff Ward with the Rice Krispies box taped to his helmet?
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I think they should use two coffee cups and a long piece of atring
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If you’ve ever watched Cooper Webb you’d know these guys don’t need help on information of what someone’s doing, it’s all their. Pitboards relay all the info needed, lap time and gap.
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WhipMeister 5/22/2022 10:55pm
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The usual response is why? How?

My two cents? (Not that anyone is interested), Stop making it illegal. Don't make it required. ( Oh. Crap! It's out there with no regulation at all!) And let the teams and riders decide how and if) they want to respond.

BTW. That's the very definition of freedom.
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tmphotoart wrote:
“Leave me alone, I know what I'm doing” - Kimi Raikkonen

Fuck off I’m busy

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If it isn't readable on a pit board, they don't need to know it. Short of some motivation, a lap time or a gap, it just complicates things.

It's another extra little expense, it's another added little complexity, but really it just comes down to the fact it's just not necessary.

I used to like mx / sx due to the simplicity, it was almost elegant how simple - besides fancy materials and machining of factory parts and set up - and clear cut as pure racing machines these bikes were.

It actually slightly irks me to see suspension data loggers, lambda sensors, all these other things creeping in on race bikes. For practice / development sure, but they're gonna be like Superbikes in a few years, who wants or needs it?
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Leave Us To wrote:
Watching Indy qualifying today I was reminded how laughable it is to think SX/MX racers can't receive pit board information via radio as they go past...
Watching Indy qualifying today I was reminded how laughable it is to think SX/MX racers can't receive pit board information via radio as they go past the mechanics area. "We can't have radios because they're concentrating!" meanwhile Indy car drivers are communicating 2 ways at over 230 MPH. NASCAR and F1 can handle comms at over 200 MPH but our racers can't receive verbal updates.

F1 drivers often get very annoyed if they are radioed during corners or in braking zones. Communicating on a straight at 200mph isn't a big issue.

So it's not a fair comparison. IN SX or MX the riders are always doing something whether it be jumping cornering or whatever.
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ProbablyDave 5/23/2022 12:45am
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If the teams thought that it would be better to have radio communication then it would have happened by now. There's no point adopting technology just for the sake of it.
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MKMX 5/23/2022 1:00am
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I’m a fan of the pit boards for communication and no radio’s simply for the fact it doesn’t allow discrete outside assistance. Riders have to make their own decisions and judgements based on what they can see and hear is happening around them and that’s when I think we see just how talented a rider really is in terms of strategy.
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Thisusernameisavailable 5/23/2022 2:41am
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“Jason, Eli is taking the tight inside before the whoops and might try it on the last lap for a pass”

*Jason takes the tight inside on the last lap. Fans are denied a moment of good racing*

Why is the sport going to be better for it??

Just to think, some fans call for HOLESHOT/LAUNCH devices to be banned..
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Once SX/MX goes all electric, the teams can just yell out to the riders.
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nrosso391 5/23/2022 6:32am
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downonmonday wrote:
Once SX/MX goes all electric, the teams can just yell out to the riders.
With a comment like that:

Some men just want to watch the world burn.
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Maybe do a search before you ask these brilliant questions because 100% of them have already been brought up ad nauseam.
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We use 1 way communication in Pro Snocross. It really helps actually. Some guys don't like it but if you have the opportunity to use it, it is rather useful.
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downonmonday wrote:
Once SX/MX goes all electric, the teams can just yell out to the riders.
well i just spit out coffee laughing my ass offLaughing
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All your BS can be sent here. Mail American Motorcyclist Association 13515 Yarmouth Drive Pickerington, OH 43147 Fax (614) 856-1924 Phone Monday – Friday: 8:30 a.m...
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Leave Us To 5/23/2022 12:31pm
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Alan Dove wrote:
F1 drivers often get very annoyed if they are radioed during corners or in braking zones. Communicating on a straight at 200mph isn't a big issue...
F1 drivers often get very annoyed if they are radioed during corners or in braking zones. Communicating on a straight at 200mph isn't a big issue.

So it's not a fair comparison. IN SX or MX the riders are always doing something whether it be jumping cornering or whatever.
Great point and is why I suggested communications only past the mechanics areas since they're usually not jumping cornering or whatever in that particular area of the track. So the contention that commmunications would affect riders' concentation and possibly racing strategy is a false one.

How it would make the racing better depends. In the short term being able to hear the mechanics would be a plus if the team opted in for this communication to be shared. It would also stop the present method of mechanics jostling to get theit board out in the bullpen AKA mechanics area.which resembles a Keystone Cops meeting to me Longer term how much it could help improve racing depends on how much technology is involved. Telemmetry from the bikes would be interesting.

On the other hand, maybe the rest of motorsports should follow SX/MX lead given how mainstream we are and do away with comms.

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