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Who knows if he actually did test positive for something and if that was even a PED. Could of just been a way out of a contract with team or something.
To bad our sport doesnt have media outlets with professional journalist to go investigate and inform the fan base (which ultimately is why they have a job in first place) about topics like this. I desperately need cool people to be my buddies too.....
And yes I'm a slow learner
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Maybe it's because no one failed a WADA test at Daytona...
DC
Racer X
DC is in on the drug conspiracy and trying to throw us off the trail! Get the pitchforks!
Pit Row
I love vital and Racerx and understand there is politics with everything. However, it seems a bit hypocritical for "professional" mx/sx media people to drop bits of info on a public forum, then go back and delete other peoples post and their own with no explanation. To me that just comes off like they are trying to bury the info they themselves leaked and cover it all up until people forget about it. Instead just come out and say the info was false or confirm it and report on it officially.
Again i dont mean any disrespect, but at the same time as a huge mx/sx fan, I would like real info on these topics instead of just cover ups and vague statements.
Okay, again, no one failed a WADA test at Daytona.
I heard a little and read the rumors and speculation here too, but nothing ever came of them, so why report on what we know not to be true? It's not fair to whatever athlete or team or association might have been involved. And I don't know what Matthes or his guests say or imply on his show, nor do I know all of what was posted and/or deleted here on a message board, but it's all part of the new nature of the conversation, whether it's in sports reporting, entertainment, politics, whatever. It's really easy to spin, to guess, to exaggerate and even be correct and scoop on whatever you want because everyone has a voice now with online and social media, but no one has the same responsibility as a traditional media outlet. The difference between a message forum or streaming show and a magazine or newscast is still evolving in many people's minds....
You want real info on these topics and I tried to give it to you, but even that's not enough because you've apparently made up your mind--you want the actual insight, instead of "cover ups and vague statements" but I didn't give you a cover-up or vague statement, and I simply said that it didn't happen. End of story for me, but it will live on here for as long as you guys want to keep it going, but I gotta move on to things that actually happen in and around the sport.
DC
Racer X
All the top 40 riders are safe? No problem with any of them?
But that's not enough for you, I know. Let me know when you guys put the pitchforks down and move on, I may have some info on new rules coming...
Just kidding.
DC
Racer X
The rumor was a certain rider was fired for failing a drug test. The speculation was it was either a team administered test, or Daytona where the 250 regular (not subject to testing) made the main in the 450 class. Sounds like one of those possibilities has been eliminated.
It’s kind of like a day with Trump
You then stated a fact that only alluded to one of the several aspects of the topic (WADA test at Daytona) therefore I stated it was vague as you didnt touch on any other aspect of the rumor including the main point of the rumor and topic title, which is that a professional racer failed a drug test.
Again, my intention was not meant to be disrespectful to you or your media outlet in anyway, i simply wanted an explanation of why the rumor was suddenly banished around a specific rider that was originally implied by ML. I have nothing against said rider and in fact have been very outspoken about my view of PEDs and drug testing in general (i dont believe that are really beneficial in moto and think we shouldn't go through the trouble of testing at all). No idea if any of the rumors had any truth to them at all, just seemed odd to me that instead of the Vital people coming out and saying they were proved to be false rumors, they just deleted the posts with the rider in question name.
As for Michael and Guy B., I have a great deal of both respect and sympathy for the Vital MX staff, as they are constantly trying to get and set the record straight, sometimes in the blur between what they wrote on Vital, and what others wrote in the Vital forum, because out here in the rest of the world, it's just "I read it on Vital" and it's not qualified as a forum post or a reported feature. I've known Guy B for a long time and consider him one of the very top true journalists in the sport, as far as race-day reporting and during-the-work news. I can't and don't read everything here and know that sometimes things go up and down on every site (happens on Racer X too) as we all try to get the story right and first. It's all different now that everything can be printed in reversible, virtual ink.
I do know that in whatever rush you guys are in to "out" whoever or whatever this might have been, it got conflated into something "official" involving a "big-name" and WADA and all that, and that simply did not happen. That was all I was trying to explain, no offense taken and it's things like this that make Vital what is it is, and it's almost always really good and informative.
DC
Racer X
Matthes has done some interviews with Tickle and Clason, which are great, but they lack depth. A lot of that is one sided and revolves around the riders experience. In order to be objective we need both sides on those topics. Tickle seems to have some time on his hands so grab a camera, go down to his place and run through his race day routine. (assuming he agree obviously) Have him show you what he is taking. When is he taking it. Have him explain what it is supposed to do. Take those supplements to some experts in the area and ask them if that is true. Are these things really helping. Take them to be tested (yes I know it is expensive). Talk to some of the reps for the companies that produce those supplements. Talk to people who work in labs that can test for these items. Talk about cross contamination. You want to be as objective as possible but at the same time we do need to educate the fan base on how something like this can happen. The riders of this sport are assets and they are what add value to the sport.
When JS7's failed test came out he was very clear that he took the substance. James is obviously very quiet and so getting info from him is difficult. But that doesn't mean there isn't some way of finding out if there were other TUEs out there. Maybe even finding out what other TUEs that were issued were for. I'm guessing that info isn't accessible. Then document it. Here is what we did, we didn't get anything...they sent us around in circles etc. Go through the proper procedure for applying for a TUE. Maybe find out the glitches in their system. Find out how they handle the test samples. From the time of the race to the tests in the lab how are they treated. How precise is it. Is there a possibility for a sample to be mixed up. What testing the "B Sample" really means.
Beyond that, give us some info graphics. Let's see a visual representation of who has been tested, when the tests came out. Things like that help. I work as a designer but don't have time to mess with it at the moment so here is the raw data.
Based on Broc and James' test date vs result this should be the table for dates we would see test results. (60-65 days)
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