Rumor is another big name failed drug test

jorgechavez 6/7/2018 2:31pm
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milliebays wrote:
does WADA post their athlete test history like USADA does?

asking for a friend.
ML512 wrote:
Naw, they don’t. I also inquired on it and they told me to go to the FIM for that info. Not nearly as transparent as USADA.
FreshTopEnd wrote:
FIM current publication, though not updated to 2018 [url=http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Riders_tested_since_2017_updated_on_9_October.pdf]http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Riders_tested_since_2017_updated_on_9_October.pdf[/url] One test a year (2 for motogp I guess) seems like a crap shoot in terms of...
FIM current publication, though not updated to 2018

http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Riders_tested_since_2017_updated_on_9_October.pdf

One test a year (2 for motogp I guess) seems like a crap shoot in terms of effectiveness.
Edit: I was not aware that 250s are not FIM sanctioned, my mistake and thanks to avidchimp for informing me.

So no 250 riders were tested last year? I guess it would be hard as only half of them would be at the race but come on. Honestly just speaks to how much of a joke this whole deal is.

Also something I noticed, in their legend they spell "analytical" correctly once but then spell it "analythical". How the hell are these people in charge? Is the FIM really just MXA in disguise??
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ML512 wrote:
Naw, they don’t. I also inquired on it and they told me to go to the FIM for that info. Not nearly as transparent as USADA.
FreshTopEnd wrote:
FIM current publication, though not updated to 2018 [url=http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Riders_tested_since_2017_updated_on_9_October.pdf]http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Riders_tested_since_2017_updated_on_9_October.pdf[/url] One test a year (2 for motogp I guess) seems like a crap shoot in terms of...
FIM current publication, though not updated to 2018

http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Riders_tested_since_2017_updated_on_9_October.pdf

One test a year (2 for motogp I guess) seems like a crap shoot in terms of effectiveness.
jorgechavez wrote:
Edit: I was not aware that 250s are not FIM sanctioned, my mistake and thanks to avidchimp for informing me. So no 250 riders were tested...
Edit: I was not aware that 250s are not FIM sanctioned, my mistake and thanks to avidchimp for informing me.

So no 250 riders were tested last year? I guess it would be hard as only half of them would be at the race but come on. Honestly just speaks to how much of a joke this whole deal is.

Also something I noticed, in their legend they spell "analytical" correctly once but then spell it "analythical". How the hell are these people in charge? Is the FIM really just MXA in disguise??
The 250 class isn't FIM sanctioned, so no WADA testing.
jorgechavez 6/7/2018 2:37pm
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
FIM current publication, though not updated to 2018 [url=http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Riders_tested_since_2017_updated_on_9_October.pdf]http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Riders_tested_since_2017_updated_on_9_October.pdf[/url] One test a year (2 for motogp I guess) seems like a crap shoot in terms of...
FIM current publication, though not updated to 2018

http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Riders_tested_since_2017_updated_on_9_October.pdf

One test a year (2 for motogp I guess) seems like a crap shoot in terms of effectiveness.
jorgechavez wrote:
Edit: I was not aware that 250s are not FIM sanctioned, my mistake and thanks to avidchimp for informing me. So no 250 riders were tested...
Edit: I was not aware that 250s are not FIM sanctioned, my mistake and thanks to avidchimp for informing me.

So no 250 riders were tested last year? I guess it would be hard as only half of them would be at the race but come on. Honestly just speaks to how much of a joke this whole deal is.

Also something I noticed, in their legend they spell "analytical" correctly once but then spell it "analythical". How the hell are these people in charge? Is the FIM really just MXA in disguise??
avidchimp wrote:
The 250 class isn't FIM sanctioned, so no WADA testing.
Ahhh my mistake, thanks for clearing that up.
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drt410 wrote:
That move savatgy pulled wadding up all the top 250 riders in 1 swoop looked like he was def high.
What are you talking about!?! That was almost a perfectly executed Championship Pickup Pass.
He was even lucky enough that Osborne happened to be the first pin.

Was the revenge served cold enough do ya think?

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milliebays 6/7/2018 3:19pm
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milliebays wrote:
does WADA post their athlete test history like USADA does?

asking for a friend.
ML512 wrote:
Naw, they don’t. I also inquired on it and they told me to go to the FIM for that info. Not nearly as transparent as USADA.
FreshTopEnd wrote:
FIM current publication, though not updated to 2018 [url=http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Riders_tested_since_2017_updated_on_9_October.pdf]http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Riders_tested_since_2017_updated_on_9_October.pdf[/url] One test a year (2 for motogp I guess) seems like a crap shoot in terms of...
FIM current publication, though not updated to 2018

http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Riders_tested_since_2017_updated_on_9_October.pdf

One test a year (2 for motogp I guess) seems like a crap shoot in terms of effectiveness.
Didn't realize the testing was so sparse here in the US.

extrapolating those rates makes you wonder if they just got lucky with Cade or if the hit rate would stay the same in subsequent tests... (or they were being dicks and knew Cade submitted a TUE request)
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brettmx 6/7/2018 3:37pm
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milliebays wrote:
does WADA post their athlete test history like USADA does?

asking for a friend.
ML512 wrote:
Naw, they don’t. I also inquired on it and they told me to go to the FIM for that info. Not nearly as transparent as USADA.
FreshTopEnd wrote:
FIM current publication, though not updated to 2018 [url=http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Riders_tested_since_2017_updated_on_9_October.pdf]http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Riders_tested_since_2017_updated_on_9_October.pdf[/url] One test a year (2 for motogp I guess) seems like a crap shoot in terms of...
FIM current publication, though not updated to 2018

http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Riders_tested_since_2017_updated_on_9_October.pdf

One test a year (2 for motogp I guess) seems like a crap shoot in terms of effectiveness.
That's fucking laughable. Shit, you wouldn't even have to hire a "doping" specialist to keep from getting caught. I'm assuming there were no "off season" tests done. If so the testing is an utter joke.
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That's fucking laughable. Shit, you wouldn't even have to hire a "doping" specialist to keep from getting caught. I'm assuming there were no "off season" tests...
That's fucking laughable. Shit, you wouldn't even have to hire a "doping" specialist to keep from getting caught. I'm assuming there were no "off season" tests done. If so the testing is an utter joke.
My understanding is that the guys tested out of competition are notified and thereafter must comply with the requirements notifying the testers of daily schedules and location during the period that they are on. I don't know whether those tests are reported (I believe I heard that Anderson was on for that this year, and can recall RV talking about it).
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MXMattii 6/7/2018 3:45pm
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Why Barragan was disappeared so unexpectedly from MXGP field? Word in the streets was, that after he got injured, and hospitalized after the tests they found...
Why Barragan was disappeared so unexpectedly from MXGP field?
Word in the streets was, that after he got injured, and hospitalized after the tests they found something interesting in his blood. So- Let's speculateSmile
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He went to WEC... same rules, same deal. He was one of a number of riders that got good enduro rides, him, Watson, Charlier, jeez, 60%...
He went to WEC... same rules, same deal.

He was one of a number of riders that got good enduro rides, him, Watson, Charlier, jeez, 60% of the field are ex MX these days now its all special test oriented.
He means before he went to the Enduro. I know that there was a big rumor about that, even so big that a Belgian TV journalist brought it up in a press conference with Luongo and that journalist got kicked out and they took his press pass. I don't think that this Belgian journalist was really interested in Barragan, but this TV-Channel is very cycling minded and the rumor also talked about Fuentes.

I'm trying to remember when it must have been, I guess 2009 after that season KTM dumped him and he went to Kawasaki. But like most rumors it never got confirmed. But the Barragan camp tried to sue everyone who talked about it. All boards where people were talking about it got e-mails and real letters from lawyers. So back then a few boards just closed their doors like the MxWorld.be forum and others went on pause. Just to show you wat rumors can do, 10 years later and it still pops up.
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All this bullshit to race a freaking dirtbike.

No thanks.
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drt410 wrote:
That move savatgy pulled wadding up all the top 250 riders in 1 swoop looked like he was def high.
PFitzG38 wrote:
What are you talking about!?! That was almost a perfectly executed Championship Pickup Pass. He was even lucky enough that Osborne happened to be the first...
What are you talking about!?! That was almost a perfectly executed Championship Pickup Pass.
He was even lucky enough that Osborne happened to be the first pin.

Was the revenge served cold enough do ya think?
That was not Joey's fault. Are you using coke bottles for glasses?
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KMC440 wrote:
All this bullshit to race a freaking dirtbike.

No thanks.
It’s a career for them at the end of the day. I can’t get baked and expect to keep my day job, which are rules I signed up for upon accepting employment. Riders are no different, and should be treated and viewed as professional people, and not treated with kid gloves.
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TheGetFresh 6/7/2018 4:42pm
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MxKing809 wrote:
It’s a career for them at the end of the day. I can’t get baked and expect to keep my day job, which are rules I...
It’s a career for them at the end of the day. I can’t get baked and expect to keep my day job, which are rules I signed up for upon accepting employment. Riders are no different, and should be treated and viewed as professional people, and not treated with kid gloves.
So your job routinely tests you for recreational drug use because it can’t trust you, but the jobs that don’t test their employees because they know their employees can enjoy their time away from work as responsible adults and still show up to perform competently are the ones wearing the “kid gloves”.

Ah.
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MxKing809 6/7/2018 4:54pm
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MxKing809 wrote:
It’s a career for them at the end of the day. I can’t get baked and expect to keep my day job, which are rules I...
It’s a career for them at the end of the day. I can’t get baked and expect to keep my day job, which are rules I signed up for upon accepting employment. Riders are no different, and should be treated and viewed as professional people, and not treated with kid gloves.
TheGetFresh wrote:
So your job routinely tests you for recreational drug use because it can’t trust you, but the jobs that don’t test their employees because they know...
So your job routinely tests you for recreational drug use because it can’t trust you, but the jobs that don’t test their employees because they know their employees can enjoy their time away from work as responsible adults and still show up to perform competently are the ones wearing the “kid gloves”.

Ah.
Welcome to being an adult.....
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MxKing809 wrote:
It’s a career for them at the end of the day. I can’t get baked and expect to keep my day job, which are rules I...
It’s a career for them at the end of the day. I can’t get baked and expect to keep my day job, which are rules I signed up for upon accepting employment. Riders are no different, and should be treated and viewed as professional people, and not treated with kid gloves.
TheGetFresh wrote:
So your job routinely tests you for recreational drug use because it can’t trust you, but the jobs that don’t test their employees because they know...
So your job routinely tests you for recreational drug use because it can’t trust you, but the jobs that don’t test their employees because they know their employees can enjoy their time away from work as responsible adults and still show up to perform competently are the ones wearing the “kid gloves”.

Ah.
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Welcome to being an adult.....
Swing and a miss.
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MxKing809 wrote:
It’s a career for them at the end of the day. I can’t get baked and expect to keep my day job, which are rules I...
It’s a career for them at the end of the day. I can’t get baked and expect to keep my day job, which are rules I signed up for upon accepting employment. Riders are no different, and should be treated and viewed as professional people, and not treated with kid gloves.
TheGetFresh wrote:
So your job routinely tests you for recreational drug use because it can’t trust you, but the jobs that don’t test their employees because they know...
So your job routinely tests you for recreational drug use because it can’t trust you, but the jobs that don’t test their employees because they know their employees can enjoy their time away from work as responsible adults and still show up to perform competently are the ones wearing the “kid gloves”.

Ah.
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Welcome to being an adult.....
Insurance. Insurance. Insurance.

What insurance company would insure a bunch of dope heads? 0
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Funny to me, the founder of WADA is named Dick Pound. Seems fitting.
Nothing funny to me about Dick Pound. The guy is an asshole! Tried his best to be the President of the corrupt Olympic committee, but when that failed he decided he wanted to be the drug cop of Olympic competition. Unfortunately, WADA testing has spilled over into other sports that can’t afford their own testing programs, so Dick gets to be the Overlord of other victims. Sorry, he may be a countryman of mine, but I hate the prick.
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ga_pike wrote:
Funny to me, the founder of WADA is named Dick Pound. Seems fitting.
Bnagazina wrote:
Nothing funny to me about Dick Pound. The guy is an asshole! Tried his best to be the President of the corrupt Olympic committee, but when...
Nothing funny to me about Dick Pound. The guy is an asshole! Tried his best to be the President of the corrupt Olympic committee, but when that failed he decided he wanted to be the drug cop of Olympic competition. Unfortunately, WADA testing has spilled over into other sports that can’t afford their own testing programs, so Dick gets to be the Overlord of other victims. Sorry, he may be a countryman of mine, but I hate the prick.
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keinz wrote:
Why Barragan was disappeared so unexpectedly from MXGP field? Word in the streets was, that after he got injured, and hospitalized after the tests they found...
Why Barragan was disappeared so unexpectedly from MXGP field?
Word in the streets was, that after he got injured, and hospitalized after the tests they found something interesting in his blood. So- Let's speculateSmile
Rumor said he was using "party stimulants" but wasnt racing time it came out (maybe out longer for injury?) and
didnt get penaltys. Not sure if it was team who found out. Not sure any related but he didnt come back to level he was before that and later took route to ride Enduro series.
Once again it was only rumor.
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So I have this great routine where my wife wakes me up at about 6am every morning with a hot cup of coffee. I sit up in bed and catch up on vital and other mx news and drink my hot coffee (married for 21 years). Today, I checked in with news about Mookie riding outdoors and then went to see if we had named names yet. I got rick rolled by Rock and Roll Hooche Koo and have been singing it all bloody day. I've heard the song for 30+ years but now have new appreciation for it. I would have loved to be a rock star in the 70s/80s but if someone delivered a hit to me with the chorus rock and roll hooche koo, I'm not sure I could have pulled it off. He sure did.
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I'm curious, on Pulp the other day Broc said that apparently if he were to go race in Canada right now, it would make things worse...why would that be? They're not FIM sanctioned, and are not affiliated with WADA, so why would that affect the possible out come? Also, did I hear right that the penalty for this is possibly something like 4 year ban??? That's fucking insane!

On another note, I was reading that there is no drug testing AT ALL in the X games, but WADA/USADA have been criticizing them for years for that. Do you think they really even care what the athletes are doing or is it more so they can just get more money by testing for another organization?
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pkiczuk wrote:
I'm curious, on Pulp the other day Broc said that apparently if he were to go race in Canada right now, it would make things worse...why...
I'm curious, on Pulp the other day Broc said that apparently if he were to go race in Canada right now, it would make things worse...why would that be? They're not FIM sanctioned, and are not affiliated with WADA, so why would that affect the possible out come? Also, did I hear right that the penalty for this is possibly something like 4 year ban??? That's fucking insane!

On another note, I was reading that there is no drug testing AT ALL in the X games, but WADA/USADA have been criticizing them for years for that. Do you think they really even care what the athletes are doing or is it more so they can just get more money by testing for another organization?
I was curious on the same thing, If WADA wants to do things "to the book" be "black and white" then why would they make emotional based decisions on Broc racing in Canada. If it isnt under their umbrella why would they care? Thats why this whole thing is BS, they make emotional decisions on some aspects and then data driven ones in other aspects. Plus the lack of any profiessionalism is huge. 4 games for PED use the Patriots player. 4 games! The decision took days, not months with zero info or feedback.
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pkiczuk wrote:
I'm curious, on Pulp the other day Broc said that apparently if he were to go race in Canada right now, it would make things worse...why...
I'm curious, on Pulp the other day Broc said that apparently if he were to go race in Canada right now, it would make things worse...why would that be? They're not FIM sanctioned, and are not affiliated with WADA, so why would that affect the possible out come? Also, did I hear right that the penalty for this is possibly something like 4 year ban??? That's fucking insane!

On another note, I was reading that there is no drug testing AT ALL in the X games, but WADA/USADA have been criticizing them for years for that. Do you think they really even care what the athletes are doing or is it more so they can just get more money by testing for another organization?
ehr400 wrote:
I was curious on the same thing, If WADA wants to do things "to the book" be "black and white" then why would they make emotional...
I was curious on the same thing, If WADA wants to do things "to the book" be "black and white" then why would they make emotional based decisions on Broc racing in Canada. If it isnt under their umbrella why would they care? Thats why this whole thing is BS, they make emotional decisions on some aspects and then data driven ones in other aspects. Plus the lack of any profiessionalism is huge. 4 games for PED use the Patriots player. 4 games! The decision took days, not months with zero info or feedback.
Its time to MAMGA! This whole process is completely wrong and draconian. Maybe I don't understand the costs of the drug testing programs but to be at the mercy of this organization is a terrible fit for American Motocross. Somewhere in between what Nascar and the NFL does is where we need to be imho.
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imoto34 wrote:
Insurance. Insurance. Insurance.

What insurance company would insure a bunch of dope heads? 0
Progressive and several other insurance companies don't drug test employees pre employment.

Let that one sink in.
darkbelow13 6/8/2018 5:33am
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Shit, my girlfriend is a teacher and didn't even have to take a drug test.
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pkiczuk wrote:
I'm curious, on Pulp the other day Broc said that apparently if he were to go race in Canada right now, it would make things worse...why...
I'm curious, on Pulp the other day Broc said that apparently if he were to go race in Canada right now, it would make things worse...why would that be? They're not FIM sanctioned, and are not affiliated with WADA, so why would that affect the possible out come? Also, did I hear right that the penalty for this is possibly something like 4 year ban??? That's fucking insane!

On another note, I was reading that there is no drug testing AT ALL in the X games, but WADA/USADA have been criticizing them for years for that. Do you think they really even care what the athletes are doing or is it more so they can just get more money by testing for another organization?
From I've been told, racing another series is considered a slap in the face to the FIM so that's why it makes it worse.
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Shit, my girlfriend is a teacher and didn't even have to take a drug test.
I'm a principal and I've been randomly drug tested several times over the past ten years here in TN. I must have passed because I still have my job.Wink
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pkiczuk wrote:
I'm curious, on Pulp the other day Broc said that apparently if he were to go race in Canada right now, it would make things worse...why...
I'm curious, on Pulp the other day Broc said that apparently if he were to go race in Canada right now, it would make things worse...why would that be? They're not FIM sanctioned, and are not affiliated with WADA, so why would that affect the possible out come? Also, did I hear right that the penalty for this is possibly something like 4 year ban??? That's fucking insane!

On another note, I was reading that there is no drug testing AT ALL in the X games, but WADA/USADA have been criticizing them for years for that. Do you think they really even care what the athletes are doing or is it more so they can just get more money by testing for another organization?
zehn wrote:
From I've been told, racing another series is considered a slap in the face to the FIM so that's why it makes it worse.
Does Broc expect to race start racing again when he is 32 and race into his mid 30's? Surely, he wont have a factory ride at that point so I don't know why he would come back other than a paycheck (which I highly doubt is needed) or for the fun of it (if it is still fun for him).

If not, I say stick it to the FIM and just race Canada for a few years til he's ready to retire.
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darkbelow13 wrote:
Shit, my girlfriend is a teacher and didn't even have to take a drug test.
My wifes ex good friend is a heroin addict and gets WIC and free daycare no drug testing either. Lol
TheNewOriginal 6/8/2018 6:57am
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Edit: I was not aware that 250s are not FIM sanctioned, my mistake and thanks to avidchimp for informing me. So no 250 riders were tested...
Edit: I was not aware that 250s are not FIM sanctioned, my mistake and thanks to avidchimp for informing me.

So no 250 riders were tested last year? I guess it would be hard as only half of them would be at the race but come on. Honestly just speaks to how much of a joke this whole deal is.

Also something I noticed, in their legend they spell "analytical" correctly once but then spell it "analythical". How the hell are these people in charge? Is the FIM really just MXA in disguise??
... How the hell are these people in charge? Is the FIM really just MXA in disguise??

I usually don't literally laugh out loud when reading these posts, I did on this one.

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