Rookie Phenom

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Why isn’t there any rookies that come out and just kill it anymore? I remember James and TP coming out super hyped and super young but it doesn’t happen anymore. Can someone explain why so much money is dumped into amateur kids who are recruited at a super young age and I don’t see that much off a pay off happening.
I was hoping Carson Brown was gonna be like this but not even close.

Explain please
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Tarz483
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Tarz483 3/26/2019 4:53pm
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Imo Forkner is in that category
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Justin345 3/26/2019 4:57pm
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Completely different era than when JS7 and TP199 came up and you could get by with raw talent. Now, all the elite amateurs are homeschooled and live full time at training facilities from a young age. Raw talent doesn’t get you to the top anymore.
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Because true phenoms only come once in a generation
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Sir Roostsalot 3/26/2019 5:04pm
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Eli won his first National, but you're right it's been a while. Of course Justin Cooper was supposed to smoke everyone.
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Middleside 3/26/2019 5:19pm
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731chopper wrote:
Cianciarulo won his first Supercross race.
And it took 5 years to finish a single series.
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731chopper 3/26/2019 6:41pm
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Middleside wrote:
And it took 5 years to finish a single series.
He still killed it his rookie Supercross season before getting hurt. Canard also won his rookie year but I guess that was a long time ago at this point.
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Squirrelings 3/26/2019 6:44pm
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Dungey won his first SX also after racing a few outdoors the summer before. Got second in a 450 SX as a 250 rider. Won his first SX of his rookie 450 SX season.
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Mx286 3/26/2019 6:53pm
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Me and my buddies have talked about this time and time again. You would think of all the money being spent on these amateurs and all the training facilities these days it would make things much easier for them to transition.

Side note, I think all the talent is in the super mini class right now. That may be where all the next level talent may be.
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Dirty Points 3/26/2019 8:02pm
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Sir Roostsalot wrote:
Eli won his first National, but you're right it's been a while. Of course Justin Cooper was supposed to smoke everyone.
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Deetsmx 3/26/2019 9:25pm
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A 50+ hp/220+ lb 250f is a lot different than a 125.
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carmfarm 3/26/2019 9:42pm
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Most males these days are soy, they play xbox and text message. And 4 strokes didn't help because 2 strokes actually separated riders more
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carmfarm wrote:
Most males these days are soy, they play xbox and text message. And 4 strokes didn't help because 2 strokes actually separated riders more
Wow bro I bet you’re alpha af
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Cant match the Izzi, Stroupe, Canard era. Some big hitters with all the hype and for the most part when they turned pro they delivered. For the most part..... Motoplayground was a must! Damn the good ol days!
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Texas Built 3/26/2019 11:53pm
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Tarz483 wrote:
Imo Forkner is in that category
Forkner has done nothing till this year other than be average.
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fullfloater 3/27/2019 12:01am
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No one will ever be like Bradshaw. Winning the premiere class at 17. The Dogger too. Winning the San Diego SX while in high school. The young guys seem really fast right away these days. Too bad they won't just go to 450s in yr 2 and give it a go. Money, money!

https://racerxonline.com/2012/02/09/this-week-in-yamaha-history-lechien…

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Richard Tease II 3/27/2019 12:08am
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Nowadays they race at a GUESS 7/8 races a year against bikes that are far inferior to theirs.
Move up to the pro classes and they are expected to race 20 times a year and against maybe 10 other bikes on equal footing.
Unfortunately these days most of the talent is the bike.
Most of the phenoms aren't found as they don't have the money or time off school to compete.
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DanDunes818 3/27/2019 1:26am
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I believe the "Rookie Phenom" thing used to happen a lot more often on 125's than it does now w/250's. We see exceptions like RV and a couple others you could make a case for, but on 125's it was more the rule than the exception. Seemed like there was another rookie phenom every two or three years. I think the reason is, amateur kids going from a 110 supermini 2 stoke to a 125 2 stroke was a baby step compared to going from a supermini to a 250 4 stroke. Those kids had been racing two strokes since PW50's and the transition was never a huge leap. Now they get a year or, maybe two years learning how to ride the 250 4 strokes as amateurs before they're turning pro and racing against experienced former amateur phenoms that are now experienced men in the 250SX / 250MX pro class.
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Barrett57 3/27/2019 2:03am
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Tom vialle has been pretty impressive so far in the GPs. Holeshot 3 out of 4 motos and got on the podium in his second gp.
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observeroffacts 3/27/2019 2:14am
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It’s because every single rider out there now is a phenom. They’re dealing in the smallest fractions of difference in time and skill. This is the first full batch of 250 riders who were home school, private training facility kids since age 6.

The skill sets are all so incredibly high that they’re literally using computer feedback to measure hundredths of a second lost in individual sections. Nobody is going to be 3 seconds a lap faster like Stewart was, because everyone is 3 seconds a lap faster than the guys he raced were.
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CPR 3/27/2019 2:54am
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Reed won the most races and nearly dethroned the GOAT in his rookie season. Think about that for a second.
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kb228 3/27/2019 3:46am
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Tarz483 wrote:
Imo Forkner is in that category
Texas Built wrote:
Forkner has done nothing till this year other than be average.
How is a perfect east coast season average? Statistically hes doing better than AC.
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CPR 3/27/2019 3:53am
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Tarz483 wrote:
Imo Forkner is in that category
Texas Built wrote:
Forkner has done nothing till this year other than be average.
kb228 wrote:
How is a perfect east coast season average? Statistically hes doing better than AC.
The post is about rookies, Forkner didn't live up to expectations until this year. This is not his rookie year.
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Squirrelings 3/27/2019 4:58am
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My bad. Second to Stewart then won the next two. Not sure how that slipped my mind.
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Texas Built wrote:
Forkner has done nothing till this year other than be average.
Didn’t he win moto’s outdoors his rookie year? That’s a little above average. Not to mention his performance at Charlotte MXGP that year.
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Texas Built wrote:
Forkner has done nothing till this year other than be average.
Squirrelings wrote:
Didn’t he win moto’s outdoors his rookie year? That’s a little above average. Not to mention his performance at Charlotte MXGP that year.
Forkner had a very calculated transition into the pros, and has had what, just a collarbone injury since 2016? I’d say his approach is a little different, but saying he’s been average just tells me some people don’t pay attention.
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Tbteam 3/27/2019 7:18am
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Tarz483 wrote:
Imo Forkner is in that category
Texas Built wrote:
Forkner has done nothing till this year other than be average.
kb228 wrote:
How is a perfect east coast season average? Statistically hes doing better than AC.
If were going with statistics, he's 0-1 vs. AC this year.
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