Roczen will never be the same.

Ransom_Bennett 5/23/2017 2:56pm
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digby.chickencaesar.5 wrote:
I remember when I broke my tib/fib (nowhere near as bad as Kenny's, only two surgeries to repair/plate) when I mentioned getting back to tennis, one...
I remember when I broke my tib/fib (nowhere near as bad as Kenny's, only two surgeries to repair/plate) when I mentioned getting back to tennis, one of the doctors on the surgical team made an offhand remark 'Oh, you won't ever get back to running after this'.

I remember that prick's face when he said those words, he didn't even realise how gutted I was hearing that.

Anyway, within a year I was back on the court, running faster than before, because I started weight training after rehab.

Even the ACTUAL experts - not the Vitards - get it wrong sometimes (insert Philthy Phil 'God Bless' drop).

I really hope Kenny gets back to where he was, but holy shit it's not going to be easy.
Doctors are always giving some disconnected-from-reality input that's totally off base. How many times have you heard someone say "the doctor said I shouldn't be alive/walking/able to ______"
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brimx153 5/23/2017 3:01pm
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I really think he will be back every bit as good as he was before . if it was his right arm it would be a different story . imo
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kiwifan 5/23/2017 3:36pm
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Kroc will never have an arm that worked just as it did. I don't need to be a doctor to know that because I've personally broken...
Kroc will never have an arm that worked just as it did. I don't need to be a doctor to know that because I've personally broken a shit ton of limbs and speak from personal experience.

Now can one of the best, overcome this injury and race at the top level again? Like others, I sure hope so.

I know that he thinks he can and that's great, but you know young men tend to always think they are invincible. Doesn't make it so.

Here is hoping for a killer Kroc comeback, I'll be cheering loudly that's for sure.
just because your limbs dont work like they used to doesn't mean Kenny's wont Smile
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of course his arm is going to look like shit right now, this is the low point, it gets better from here on- that is how this works.

can it come back to championship capable levels? who knows. desire counts or a lot, though

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Samuel 5/23/2017 3:59pm
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Shattered feet and ankles to dust, told me i would never ride again, destroyed lower back, temporary paralysis and major surgery, told me i would never...
Shattered feet and ankles to dust, told me i would never ride again, destroyed lower back, temporary paralysis and major surgery, told me i would never ride again, shredded rotator cuff, broke both corners of arm socket off plus corricoid process, said i would never ride again. Won many races and a few Florida series championships with in a year of those predictions, still flatland the big triple often. The body is an amazing thing.
Damn, that's awesome. I think I would have given up on riding after any one of those injuries. Maybe not, I love riding more than anything, but that is a beastly list of injuries. My respect to you.
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Samuel 5/23/2017 4:06pm
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The way Ken handled the outdoors last year made me a believer. The guy made it look so smooth and easy. Seeing his confidence, I believe he'll be back. I believe he'll win again. Will his arm be the exact same as it was? Maybe not, but I see him adjusting to rely a little more heavily on his legs and other arm.
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gabrielito 5/23/2017 4:35pm
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During his interview last Saturday I was shocked to see his arm. Nearly 5 months in and it appears to have poor range of motion, and...
During his interview last Saturday I was shocked to see his arm. Nearly 5 months in and it appears to have poor range of motion, and looks to be super thin.

Bone injuries are one thing, but nerve damage is another. I am not trying to stir trouble here, I am just not sure we are hearing all there is to hear in regards to his situation. I certainly hope the best for him. I am a fan of his.
This comes up from time time; but really are any of us ever the same from one moment to another? So yes you are correct, Roczen will never be the same but neither will you. It's all relative. We are always changing, us and the universe, even the molecules you breath except when you die then you stay the same.
digby.chickencaesar.5 5/23/2017 4:44pm
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gabrielito wrote:
This comes up from time time; but really are any of us ever the same from one moment to another? So yes you are correct, Roczen...
This comes up from time time; but really are any of us ever the same from one moment to another? So yes you are correct, Roczen will never be the same but neither will you. It's all relative. We are always changing, us and the universe, even the molecules you breath except when you die then you stay the same.
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harescrambled 5/23/2017 4:48pm
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I bet you he rides again, that ones obvious. Racing in the states, that might not be doable. Forget what anyone is saying, forget what happened...
I bet you he rides again, that ones obvious. Racing in the states, that might not be doable. Forget what anyone is saying, forget what happened to RJ, just take a second to put all bias aside and look at Kenny's arm to decide for yourself. All of the pictures of surgery and whatnot say the dude is lucky to have his fuckin arm, let alone be able to grip handlebars the same ever again.

Saying he won't ever be the same isn't a false statement. Saying he won't race again, at this point, isn't exactly a misguided response despite what Ken and camp are saying. If I'm Honda, I'm probably not stoked on what doctors told me about Ken's arm capabilities when recovered. I'd bet they weren't all that assuring that he'll be a champion again, just look at what they had to do...

I'm a Kenny fan and I'd like more than anyone to see that #1 Honda 450 on track at Glen Helen, honestly I feel like the way he'll ever line up is for little races here and there. I don't see a full 450 SX/MX season with wins ever happening on that arm.
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How do you know what the doctors told Honda?
The doctors didn't tell Honda squat unless Kenny put it in writing that they could....unless said referenced doctors aren't interested in practicing medicine, having any money or not being in jail. Healthcare privacy violations are pretty seriopus things these days/
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cali11 5/23/2017 4:56pm
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I'll add the question: Does he need to be the same? Various athletes have often shown a wide range of adaptability to their changing bodies after...
I'll add the question: Does he need to be the same?

Various athletes have often shown a wide range of adaptability to their changing bodies after injury. Sometimes their overall performance is lost forever, and sometimes they continue to succeed.

edit: just noticed others in thread have made the same point.
Well if he can grip the bars enough to holdon. Unless you mean like take some black tape and tape his left hand to the bar? I hope like the rest of you he can return, but he has a lot to over come. People keep going on about Muscles etc. That's not going to be his problem to overcome.
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What "CJMX" said... I tore my ACL twice in the same knee about eight years apart. The first reconstruction was completely different from the second one. The later reconstruction was the same procedure Adrian Peterson had; if you're not familiar with AP just Google the name and you can familiarize yourself with his comeback. My point is, same injury, same leg, same individual"me", two different ortho's, and medical procedure evolution, and two radically different results. Roczen has an entire medical team that is undoubtedly the best money can buy, but more importantly they are very likely at the forefront of their respective professions. On a side note, the obvious muscle loss is like many of you have mentioned, a minor consequence of any surgery that requires immobilization of the leg, arm, or any other limb. Muscular Atrophy indeed, and those muscles will be back quickly, once the ligaments, tendons, and bones have healed enough for KR to begin lifting. Kenny will be back, he will adapt to any nerve issues, and he will win races again, stamp it.
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I think the mental recovery will be more challenging. You don't forget a crash like that. Doctors can do some amazing things and the body heals...
I think the mental recovery will be more challenging. You don't forget a crash like that. Doctors can do some amazing things and the body heals and adapts in such crazy ways. However the brain will never let you forget this and it will be a big mind fuck for him to mentally deal with it should he ever decide to step on a SX track again.

In some ways this is like touching a hot stove. And you burn your hand and you remember not too touch a hot stove again. Well SX will be that hot stove for Ken.

Huge fan of his and love his style on and off the track. Sucks to have this happen. If he can overcome this and ever win a race again that would be an incredible feat.
I don't believe that at all. It wont bother him in the least and if he has problems it wont be mental it will be physical from how severe the injury was.
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Hcallz5 5/23/2017 6:54pm
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He doesn't seem to let other riders get in this head, but that doesn't mean that crash won't creep back into his head. Hard to push the limit when your life/dream/career pretty much depends on not being injured again.
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FalseNeutral 5/23/2017 8:10pm
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His arm is still probably bigger than half of the dick mittens on here
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kiwifan 5/23/2017 8:32pm
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chase4372 wrote:
What "CJMX" said... I tore my ACL twice in the same knee about eight years apart. The first reconstruction was completely different from the second one...
What "CJMX" said... I tore my ACL twice in the same knee about eight years apart. The first reconstruction was completely different from the second one. The later reconstruction was the same procedure Adrian Peterson had; if you're not familiar with AP just Google the name and you can familiarize yourself with his comeback. My point is, same injury, same leg, same individual"me", two different ortho's, and medical procedure evolution, and two radically different results. Roczen has an entire medical team that is undoubtedly the best money can buy, but more importantly they are very likely at the forefront of their respective professions. On a side note, the obvious muscle loss is like many of you have mentioned, a minor consequence of any surgery that requires immobilization of the leg, arm, or any other limb. Muscular Atrophy indeed, and those muscles will be back quickly, once the ligaments, tendons, and bones have healed enough for KR to begin lifting. Kenny will be back, he will adapt to any nerve issues, and he will win races again, stamp it.
Nice positive comments *thumbsup*
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He may never be the same, but he will win more championships. Put that in your pipes boys.

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cali11 5/23/2017 9:01pm
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FalseNeutral wrote:
His arm is still probably bigger than half of the dick mittens on here
You would know
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burn1986 5/23/2017 9:13pm
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Well no ones ever the same after an injury, duh. He'll recover. There have been very very bad injuries that riders have recovered from. Rick Johnson had some bad dr. advice and tried to come back too early, which caused him to have to retire early, or sit out longer and let his wrist/hand heal correctly.
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gnarwhip 5/23/2017 9:24pm
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Have you guys shattered your arm and elbow in a motocross crash, with multiple surgeries? I have. Unless you have too, you don't know shit. I was stoked to see Kenny's interview at Hangtown. He was so optimistic that he would be back. I think he will. Ortho docs are so good at what they do, and the human body is incredible in the way it heals. Ken is still young, with his resources and access to top tier doctors and physical therapists, I think there's a good chance he'll be back. My surgeon told me I'd be lucky to be able to touch my mouth and extend beyond 150 degrees. After extensive PT, my range of motion is 90% with no pain. I think he'll be back after watching his interview.
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Does anyone have any personal anecdotes that they would like to share and try and relate to Ken's injury?
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JMR1976 5/23/2017 11:32pm
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I wonder if Ken shags a fatty every now and then. Sorry had a few
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Cortami79 5/23/2017 11:38pm
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I remember in 2010 when Glenn Coldenhoff completely shattered his elbow. Multiple surgeries and look where he is now. Look at Roczens' mindset, he will be fine
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MX Guy 5/23/2017 11:43pm
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harescrambled wrote:
The doctors didn't tell Honda squat unless Kenny put it in writing that they could....unless said referenced doctors aren't interested in practicing medicine, having any money...
The doctors didn't tell Honda squat unless Kenny put it in writing that they could....unless said referenced doctors aren't interested in practicing medicine, having any money or not being in jail. Healthcare privacy violations are pretty seriopus things these days/
When millions are involved, they get opinions. It's that simple. No one said anything about Ken's doctors. Just doctors.
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EZZA 95B 5/24/2017 12:20am
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Early last year my best mate had reconstructive surgery to his left arm (Moto related, but from about 15 years ago and multiple injuries) by a "leading specialist" in Australia.
He had a radial head replacement done (not a donor like Roczen) as well as many other procedures to his wrist, forearm, and elbow.
The operation was done in one go, much to the dismay of many doctors who have seen him and how the procedure went, and what long term damage it has resulted in... It was as if he had an accident like Roczen.

It's mainly all nerve and muscle damage (compartment syndrome) but it's so much more complex.

I'm just thankful it wasn't worse for Roczen. I remember watching the crash and immediately feeling sick to the stomach.



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I'm not sure he'll be 100%, but I'd bet he gets pretty close. Close enough to compete at the highest level.

You can bet he'll be as good as he can be.
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brightgrey 5/24/2017 2:21am
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FalseNeutral wrote:
His arm is still probably bigger than half of the dick mittens on here
Anyone know where to get a dick mitten? Now seeing as I am both a practicing psychic and doctor, I can tell you that we won't ever see the same KR out there . I know that's not what many want to hear, but we should all just be happy he did not sustain any serious head/neck/spine injuries.
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TXDirt 5/24/2017 4:18am
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I think the mental recovery will be more challenging. You don't forget a crash like that. Doctors can do some amazing things and the body heals...
I think the mental recovery will be more challenging. You don't forget a crash like that. Doctors can do some amazing things and the body heals and adapts in such crazy ways. However the brain will never let you forget this and it will be a big mind fuck for him to mentally deal with it should he ever decide to step on a SX track again.

In some ways this is like touching a hot stove. And you burn your hand and you remember not too touch a hot stove again. Well SX will be that hot stove for Ken.

Huge fan of his and love his style on and off the track. Sucks to have this happen. If he can overcome this and ever win a race again that would be an incredible feat.
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I don't believe that at all. It wont bother him in the least and if he has problems it wont be mental it will be physical...
I don't believe that at all. It wont bother him in the least and if he has problems it wont be mental it will be physical from how severe the injury was.
Agree to disagree. So he won't be bothered at all going through a high speed double triple triple combo and won't have in the back of his mind what happened? Only Ken really knows why the bike bounced. Or rather he knows that feeling and I would bet you it will be in the back of his mind forever more. The guy said he could have lost his arm. So now if he does come back and he has to charge through the same combos he will just magically forget that huh?

Maybe he will be able to mentally over come it. I sure hope so. He's an incredible talent.
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TXDirt wrote:
I think the mental recovery will be more challenging. You don't forget a crash like that. Doctors can do some amazing things and the body heals...
I think the mental recovery will be more challenging. You don't forget a crash like that. Doctors can do some amazing things and the body heals and adapts in such crazy ways. However the brain will never let you forget this and it will be a big mind fuck for him to mentally deal with it should he ever decide to step on a SX track again.

In some ways this is like touching a hot stove. And you burn your hand and you remember not too touch a hot stove again. Well SX will be that hot stove for Ken.

Huge fan of his and love his style on and off the track. Sucks to have this happen. If he can overcome this and ever win a race again that would be an incredible feat.
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I don't believe that at all. It wont bother him in the least and if he has problems it wont be mental it will be physical...
I don't believe that at all. It wont bother him in the least and if he has problems it wont be mental it will be physical from how severe the injury was.
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Agree to disagree. So he won't be bothered at all going through a high speed double triple triple combo and won't have in the back of...
Agree to disagree. So he won't be bothered at all going through a high speed double triple triple combo and won't have in the back of his mind what happened? Only Ken really knows why the bike bounced. Or rather he knows that feeling and I would bet you it will be in the back of his mind forever more. The guy said he could have lost his arm. So now if he does come back and he has to charge through the same combos he will just magically forget that huh?

Maybe he will be able to mentally over come it. I sure hope so. He's an incredible talent.
An average Joe would have that mind set, sure, but these top of the food chain riders have very short memories when it comes to injuries.

Hell, look at all the crazy horrible injuries Pastrana has had. These guys are wired different than we are which is why they ride dirt bikes for a living and we are on here talking about it.

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