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According to today's article, Kroc switched suspension after going 2-2 at Thunder Valley. What's the word?
http://www.promotocross.com/mx/event/high-point-2018/news/high-point-45…
http://www.promotocross.com/mx/event/high-point-2018/news/high-point-45…
They tested during the break but it was a bit hush-hush....
Teka Suzuki 2009/10: KYB (spring)
KTM 2010-14: WP (spring)
RCH Suzuki 2015: Showa (started with air, ended with spring)
RCH Suzuki 2016: KYB (air)
HRC Honda 2017: KYB (air)
HRC Honda 2018: Started with Showa spring and is now on KYB spring.
The Shop
When he returned he was on Showa and what appeared to be far stiffer than he previously ran?
Craig ran Showa on Geico and his SX stint on Seely's bike, before selecting KYB for outdoors. Cole Seely ran KYB last year and this year.
We remember his father's epic meltdown over this subject at RCH that sent him back to Germany for good.
So KR likes a softer feel, that sounds good to me, and you don't end up with a front end pushing in the corners.
As I mentioned above, having personally asked Ken this in an interview that’s somewhere around this site...he said that he was actively trying to go stiffer to negate that happening again.
Now Gasjer is getting his mojo back.
So we are to believe all of the Honda rider's had the same problem with a rebound kick, even though they all run different settings and even Showa and KYB's? Watch the videos for yourself, it always happens when they land the bike nose up and it cases rather than lands on the tires. All endo's over the front. In Gasjer's case you can clearly see the dirt flying forward and passing the bike underneath from the shock digging in. Of course the riders think they experience a rebound kick. Then there's the des nations mud packing. The coincidences are overwhelming.
The KTM linkage is exposed by 3mm more than the Honda, so shouldn’t KTM riders be thrown off? Secondly, the linkages dissapear behind the cradle of the frame once the suspension has gone through about the first two to three inches of travel. So in the case of Roczen’s incident, the linkage is completely concealed behind the frame and wouldn’t have been able to contact the ground.
Then you’re trying to claim the redesigned this for a safety aspect when you don’t even know the numbers or what actually changed. C’mon man, use some sense and get off your crazy agenda.
Pit Row
https://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Is-Factory-Honda-suffering…
http://www.motoxaddicts.com/2018/03/10/rj-hampshire-crash-2018-daytona-…
Watch the jump face on Cole's crash. 1st ET3 lands the same and rides through no problem. The jump peak is clean before Cole hits it, and clearly has a dug out mark after Cole's crash, where he lands front 1st and the rear is full extended as the bike frames on the peak. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taNffsuSc0A
In KR94's A2 crash the shock does not appear to be fully extended, but something appears to hang in the deep ruts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fBw7HzKe10 Taken by itself, this incident does not appear suspicious.
In Ken's Vegas crash, he is clearly going over the bars before the shock even begins to unload at :46.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RlFEXM--4A
Gasjer's crash is the most compelling even though the bike is cut out of the frame at impact. It is visible at :18 that again he is going over the bars before the shock has rebounded. He is slammed into the bars from a loss of forward motion, not the seat kicking back. There are several different frames at :18 that show this, and the dirt under the bike blasting forward and then falling out of the shock area are evidence of the obstruction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8C4u-rC4M0
I am unable to embed or do frame captures, maybe someone else can?
Ken Roczen’s Vegas crash starts when he comes p long on the first part of the rhythm, blows through the stroke of the suspension and doesn’t get proper lift, causing him to come up short on the second part of the rhythm...as he touches down after the small rebound of coming up short on the rhythm, he’s now landed into the transition with his weight way too far forward but with enough Force that the shock has gone through the compression stroke completely, releasing that energy on take off as his weight is too far forward and with no way to contain/react to the energy the bike is about to release. Check this photo of his position and how far the travel is, there’s a ton of energy about to be released.
As for Ken’s A2 crash, I already broke it down to a T in another topic for you. Similar to Vegas, it’s a combination of getting too deep into a rhythm, energy release and his weight/position being too far forward to react and contain the energy as it’s released.
The other thing I’m relaxing is your concept and grasp of suspension is somewhat flawed. You keep referring to the rebound damping, this is an issue of compression damping. It’s so soft that the energy places it through the stroke too quickly and then the energy is released as such. If you had rebound damping strong enough to contain this, the suspension would retract so slowly the bike would feel dead everywhere. It would pack and the energy would still be dispersed somewhere throughout the bike.
Lastly, in the Ken situations...the shocks are deep enough in the stroke that the linkages are hidden behind the cradles of the frame.
As for the RJ hanpshire crash, you’re reaching at something that can’t even be properly seen to diagnose. I was standing in this section and the ruts were deep enough there’s a few things that coulda happened but I saw the crash after it had already started. At this point either of us would be reaching to lay claim to the exact cause.
However, I’ll give you my thought based on seeing guys hit that section all night and seeing a few almost crash. They were wheel tapping then setting the front tire down into the last small roller before the wall to preload the bike over it. The transition between them is so tight a small miss-calculation can get the front end in at the wrong time so it hits the face late and doesn’t properly pop while the rear lands deeper, loads too much and cause the bike to kick a little. In this case it was a small kick and the front end dipped but ultimately the bike didn’t have enough pop to clear the wall with the front tire, clips it and sends him over the bars.
Looking at all the three Honda test bikes we have right now, none have marks on the linkage knuckle from ground contact.
And building 7 never got hit by a plane.
It sure would be cool to see the new '19 Beta release on the home page. Tuesday is the day.
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