Roczen and Musquin racing for US @ MXDN

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Troll subject line, but genuine question on MXDN eligiblity

I've heard that Roczen and Musquin both got US citizenship. What are the rules for eligibility to race for a certain country?

I know that a lot of US riders race for Puerto Rico and that's because PR is a US territory. I assume they don't race for other countries because they aren't citizens and there isn't that relationship. So how do the rules account for Roczen, Musquin, Reed (?) racing for their respective countries of origin if they are no longer citizens?

btw - I'm not arguing about it. I'm glad they've become citizens because they're badass and I think it's cool that they still love their home countries. I'm just asking how the rules work. I figured it was based on citizenship, but maybe not.
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Titan1 6/19/2018 12:47pm
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I would assume they probably have dual citizenship...
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Beeby 6/19/2018 12:53pm
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Good question. I always thought it was down to country of origin but hasn’t Wilson ridden for Canada before?
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Beeby wrote:
Good question. I always thought it was down to country of origin but hasn’t Wilson ridden for Canada before?
Deano raced for Canada back in 2009 at MXDN
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Beeby wrote:
Good question. I always thought it was down to country of origin but hasn’t Wilson ridden for Canada before?
jbrown15 wrote:
Deano raced for Canada back in 2009 at MXDN
Jeff Ward was born in Scotland

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Richard Tease II 6/19/2018 1:13pm
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Hasn’t Marv been screwed over by the FFM in the selection of the last MXdN’s?
Imagine if Marv gave the big finger to the FFM and rode for the USA or Puerto Rico
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ledger 6/19/2018 1:16pm
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I don't think Matilda would go for hubby racing for the USA.
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Personally i want americans to win it. Theyre french and german.
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If they have dual citizenship they can probably race for their home country, the US or Puerto Rico; whichever one pays them the best Whistling
RichardLoots 6/19/2018 1:21pm
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do you want a french and german rider win the MXON for the USA ? ShockedShocked
you must be kiddin. Dont need Roczen or Musquin to win it , but a team with Tomac,Roczen and Musquin would be unbeatable and below 10 in total points after 3 races
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kage173 6/19/2018 2:06pm
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Still curious as to what the actual rules say. Anybody know?
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cbuehler767 6/19/2018 2:16pm
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kb228 wrote:
Personally i want americans to win it. Theyre french and german.
Exactly. Why would it be awesome if they raced for the US?
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philG 6/19/2018 2:39pm
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Well seeing as everyone else wants to swerve it with half assed excuses...

But no, just no.
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Lucifa. 6/19/2018 3:00pm
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A troll subject line deserves a troll response.

It will be the only way the US will win it.

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kb228 wrote:
Personally i want americans to win it. Theyre french and german.
How do you feel about Decoster being team manager?
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Beeby wrote:
Good question. I always thought it was down to country of origin but hasn’t Wilson ridden for Canada before?
jbrown15 wrote:
Deano raced for Canada back in 2009 at MXDN
GrapeApe wrote:
Jeff Ward was born in Scotland
Grizzly Adams had a beard....
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ACBraap 6/19/2018 3:03pm
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If they have gained US citizenship, AND are no longer citizens of their home country (some countries don't allow dual citizenship, such as Japan), then why not? That's what America is about. But they'd need to be included because they consider themselves to now be American, not because they're temporarily residing in the US.

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kb228 wrote:
Personally i want americans to win it. Theyre french and german.
Well you can say they're first generation American. Still American though.
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When a foreign national becomes a U.S. citizen they must "renounce" citizenship in any other country....funny thing is, most of the old world countries do not recognise that renunciation. ie: Born British...always British. The law may have changed but the U.S. didn't/doesn't recognise dual citizenship past the age of 18. My kids were born in England and at 18 they had to choose.

As far as Kenny and Marvin....if they truly did take US citizenship (not permanent legal residency....that's different) there's no reason they couldn't ride for the USA. Unless the FIM has some rule about it. I would imagine there is some rule about a "gun for hire type situation". Far fetched I know but some Persian Gulf Prince could grant temporary citizenship to say...Herlngs, Cairoli, Tomac to ride for 10 million apiece. I'm not sure that's enough to become moto world pariahs.

That leads to another question. Did Kenny/Marvin take US citizenship strictly for financial reasons? If they truly are "proud" new Americans...why wouldn't they want to ride for the U.S.? Maybe someone should stick a mic in their face and ask that very question. I dig both those guys but maybe they should step up and say, "I took advantage of a loophole for financial gain....or....hells yeah, gimme some stars and bars".
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kage173 6/19/2018 3:42pm
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Lucifa. wrote:
A troll subject line deserves a troll response.

It will be the only way the US will win it.

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Well played.
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GrapeApe 6/19/2018 3:50pm
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jbrown15 wrote:
Deano raced for Canada back in 2009 at MXDN
GrapeApe wrote:
Jeff Ward was born in Scotland
MxKing809 wrote:
Grizzly Adams had a beard....
Ok, I will spell it out for you. The guy that won 7 MXdN's for the US was a Scottish citizen before he moved to the US and eventually became a citizen of the US. Now do you understand the relevance?
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GrapeApe wrote:
Ok, I will spell it out for you. The guy that won 7 MXdN's for the US was a Scottish citizen before he moved to the...
Ok, I will spell it out for you. The guy that won 7 MXdN's for the US was a Scottish citizen before he moved to the US and eventually became a citizen of the US. Now do you understand the relevance?
Yes sir, I do. Put our new American brothers on the spot....why would you NOT want to ride for the country you CHOSE to become citizens of? So what if Germany/France don't recognize your new citizenship....we frikkin do. Or just say that you took the oath to avoid taxes and you are still proud citizens of Germany/France. I don't really care either way except for the RECORD....which I prefer to be straight.
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ledger wrote:
I don't think Matilda would go for hubby racing for the USA.
Who is Matilda?
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Just imagine how the soccer world cup would look like if this is how people decided who plays for what nation. Perhaps even worse, the hockey world cup.
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kage173 wrote:
Still curious as to what the actual rules say. Anybody know?
I'm pretty sure it goes by whatever country you hold a passport in. Since the Puerto Rico is a US territory, A US passport allows travel which is why so many Americans can ride for Puerto Rico. They aren't citizens of Puerto Rico, but technically they hold a Puerto Rico passport
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kage173 wrote:
Still curious as to what the actual rules say. Anybody know?
sean.koonts wrote:
I'm pretty sure it goes by whatever country you hold a passport in. Since the Puerto Rico is a US territory, A US passport allows travel...
I'm pretty sure it goes by whatever country you hold a passport in. Since the Puerto Rico is a US territory, A US passport allows travel which is why so many Americans can ride for Puerto Rico. They aren't citizens of Puerto Rico, but technically they hold a Puerto Rico passport
Puerto Ricans hold American passports. There isn't a Puerto Rican passport....since 1917.
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RichardLoots wrote:
do you want a french and german rider win the MXON for the USA ? :ohmy: :ohmy: you must be kiddin. Dont need Roczen or Musquin...
do you want a french and german rider win the MXON for the USA ? ShockedShocked
you must be kiddin. Dont need Roczen or Musquin to win it , but a team with Tomac,Roczen and Musquin would be unbeatable and below 10 in total points after 3 races
I want American citizens to win it for the US and if they are American citizens, and they want to race, then they should have the opportunity.

Act like your families ass didn't come from over the pond 200 years ago.

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