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Would a check up jump hurt less or cause more damage to a downed rider than a WOG rider??
DC
Racer X
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This type of thinking right here is why the AMA penalty situation is a joke . Subjective bs has no place in the discussion . Black and white rules and penalties . It ain’t complicated .
Only a two pager so far, thus this a fair ruling.
Good job by the AMA.
But do you feel Kenny is going to 'really' pay attention from now on after losing two points?
Doubtful it will make a difference with him but who knows.
Otherwise probably not. I am not saying they are purposefully disregarding the rules but they are not paying attention enough about it either.
A stiffer penalty would grab his attention and he would likely never do it again.
Kenny was penalized for doing the exact same thing in SX this year.
If the flagger is on the face, he can’t see a downed rider either.
The WOG flag was out in the previous corner and both riders had to have seen it, it was right in their face. With that in mind, if Dylan and Ken roll up the jump face they then see the next flagger standing on top of the jump pushing them away from the direction of the fallen rider. The flagger on top of the jump is there to keep an eye on the fallen rider and track workers and direct the on coming riders in the safest direction around those on the track. If the flagger is in front of the jump they have no idea where the workers/fallen rider are. IMO the flaggers got it right.
As for the penalties. I can see both sides of the argument. Dylan at least tried to check up and got a small amount of air where Ken just launched it. Kind of like breaking the speed limit, you'll get a worse penalty for being 20 over than you will be for 10 over.
So Dylan is penalised 1 position demoted to 2nd
Kenny is therefore promoted to 1st then penalised and back to 2nd & Dylan back to 1st .?
In desert racing the riders/drivers are alerted when someone is stopped in front of them, and when a trophy truck has caught you (you can't hear them until it's too late). I understand that same system might not work in moto, however, the technology is there and can be tweaked to work in these situations. It might help with lappers too...
It's an imperfect system because racing is much different than a lot of other forms, with 40 riders, mile or longer tracks, no timeouts or pit stops... Flags have worked for 50 years, not always perfectly, and we've added lights too. I'm not sure helmet communications would work here, but I am up for any suggestions on how it could be better.
DC
Racer X
Flaggers in our day would be standing in the middle of the track, which is why it worked. We never even saw a red flag during a race until Jeff Pestana wadded himself up at a supercross in the 90s.
What I'm talking about is a localized warning. Let's say your Red Cross flaggers carry a transmitter that he turns on when required. As approaching riders get within range, they get a "ping" to alert them (could be a flash or sound from the handlebar area). Like I said, a similar system is working in the desert (although I haven't personally used it).
Pit Row
You never know if it will work unless you try it I guess.
I saw the flag in the corner before the jump waving frantically. I was in disbelief that someone thought that this was going to be a smart way to alert two people engaged in a moto battle. There are flags being waved constantly including the yellow and blue flags. I had to look twice to understand WTF was being waved and then wondering how someone at race speed could really discern this waving flag from other flags at the rate they were riding and the crazy way the flag was waving.
For starters, I would request that the first flag be held open and displayed towards the riders like a pit board, with the flagger deliberately focusing the flag towards the eyes of the racer.
I would also consider replacing the flag completely and using something like a pit board that could be held out from the side of the track, onto the track to really get the attention of the riders.
I feel that neither rider got a fair deal in this as I am convinced the first flag was difficult to “read” and the second flag was too far removed from the vision of both racers.
There is no excuse. They saw the flag.
What is Kenny & Dylan doing right now?
Even more so when you are a professional.
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