Roczen: Will He be the Same?

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With the devastating injury Roczen sustained to his arm, elbow and wrist, can he return to the same level he was riding at before the crash, or does he lose some of that speed and come back a different rider?

We've seen it happen to other riders who were at the top.
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Motofinne 1/31/2017 1:16pm
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It's impossible to know at the moment. But i think that there is a chance that he will face some problems. Grant Langston was also talking about the possibility of Roczen facing issues when he comes back in the latest PulpMX show.

Problems with lack of feeling, armpump and range of motion comes to mind. It was the right arm? Not good at all.

Edit: Not the right arm, thankfully.

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Motofinne wrote:
It's impossible to know at the moment. But i think that there is a chance that he will face some problems. Grant Langston was also talking...
It's impossible to know at the moment. But i think that there is a chance that he will face some problems. Grant Langston was also talking about the possibility of Roczen facing issues when he comes back in the latest PulpMX show.

Problems with lack of feeling, armpump and range of motion comes to mind. It was the right arm? Not good at all.

Edit: Not the right arm, thankfully.

left arm unless it was selfies in a mirror
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Motofinne wrote:
It's impossible to know at the moment. But i think that there is a chance that he will face some problems. Grant Langston was also talking...
It's impossible to know at the moment. But i think that there is a chance that he will face some problems. Grant Langston was also talking about the possibility of Roczen facing issues when he comes back in the latest PulpMX show.

Problems with lack of feeling, armpump and range of motion comes to mind. It was the right arm? Not good at all.

Edit: Not the right arm, thankfully.

Luckily for him it wasn't the right arm.

At this point though health comes first.

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kzizok 1/31/2017 1:24pm
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It certainly took a more serious turn.
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Motofinne 1/31/2017 1:24pm
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Motofinne wrote:
It's impossible to know at the moment. But i think that there is a chance that he will face some problems. Grant Langston was also talking...
It's impossible to know at the moment. But i think that there is a chance that he will face some problems. Grant Langston was also talking about the possibility of Roczen facing issues when he comes back in the latest PulpMX show.

Problems with lack of feeling, armpump and range of motion comes to mind. It was the right arm? Not good at all.

Edit: Not the right arm, thankfully.

mmcmx wrote:
Luckily for him it wasn't the right arm.

At this point though health comes first.
Ok, that is a "good" thing then.


I really, really hope he gets to 100% after this. Roczen has a potential that is larger than anyone after Dungey.
Moens_Andy 1/31/2017 1:31pm
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Like motofinne said you cant really tell at this moment. But seeing his injury list and based on that alone, I and i repeat I think its highly unlikely to regain full motion and capability.
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It's hard to tell at this point in time, but with this injury I wouldn't be surprised if the earliest you see him line up behind a gate will be MEC.
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jj welks 1/31/2017 1:47pm
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Probabley won't have the same "swagger" he did the morning of Pheonix wasnt it? I can't remember. He's gonna need some time to warm up again after this whole dealio. He's not done winning by a longshot imo.
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defeatist45 1/31/2017 1:54pm
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He'll be fine. Like jjwelks said, likely will need to "warm up", but he'll win again.
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agn5009 1/31/2017 2:16pm
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He will be okay. He may not look as great as he did in the first two races but I think he will still win a lot it'll just take some time.
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Moto520 1/31/2017 2:21pm
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i'll bet he has a full recovery!
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Mm471 1/31/2017 2:24pm
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Also time away from racing and the grown confidence of riders like Tomac winning while he is recovering will be challenging even with a full recovery
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I guess we'll know more when they give the fans a proper update and his prognosis. Although the fact they haven't issued those details yet is a bit concerning.

He has youth on his side, and the worlds best surgeons, but jeez, that does look like an incredibly savage and complicated injury. I just hope he gets a clean run healing with no complications.

RV was the same beast after he returned after snapping his leg in a similar crash...


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motox11 1/31/2017 2:50pm
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I had a very similar injury late in 2015. It took close to 6 months to get normal grip strength back and 80% range of motion. It gets a little sore, especially in the cold weather, but nothing you cant ride through. My range of motion will never be 100% and arm pump is a little bit of a problem, but I got back to my normal A class speed fairly quickly after the first few weeks.
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RandyS 1/31/2017 2:59pm
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Nobody including Ken Roczen knows the answer to that question. Remember after round one someone said that odds were against Roczen or Tomac ever getting a 450 SX title. I'd say that for Roczen that is a real possibility. He may prove me wrong but I don't see him coming back next year as a serious threat. I would say if he does it will be 2019 before KR94 will be a threat for the title. He's still going to be young enough but I hear Davalos is moving up in 19 so it won't be easy.

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davistld01 1/31/2017 3:02pm
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He's young, uber fit and has some of the finest surgeons in the world. He'll be fine.
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Chinaski 1/31/2017 3:04pm
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motox11 wrote:
I had a very similar injury late in 2015. It took close to 6 months to get normal grip strength back and 80% range of motion...
I had a very similar injury late in 2015. It took close to 6 months to get normal grip strength back and 80% range of motion. It gets a little sore, especially in the cold weather, but nothing you cant ride through. My range of motion will never be 100% and arm pump is a little bit of a problem, but I got back to my normal A class speed fairly quickly after the first few weeks.
Seeing his Instagram photographs, I don't think he'll be ready for the outdoor series. It's likely that he won't be back until January 2018. After throwing so much money at him, Honda are doubtless furious about Roczen's brief season.
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davistld01 1/31/2017 3:06pm
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motox11 wrote:
I had a very similar injury late in 2015. It took close to 6 months to get normal grip strength back and 80% range of motion...
I had a very similar injury late in 2015. It took close to 6 months to get normal grip strength back and 80% range of motion. It gets a little sore, especially in the cold weather, but nothing you cant ride through. My range of motion will never be 100% and arm pump is a little bit of a problem, but I got back to my normal A class speed fairly quickly after the first few weeks.
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Seeing his Instagram photographs, I don't think he'll be ready for the outdoor series. It's likely that he won't be back until January 2018. After throwing...
Seeing his Instagram photographs, I don't think he'll be ready for the outdoor series. It's likely that he won't be back until January 2018. After throwing so much money at him, Honda are doubtless furious about Roczen's brief season.
I doubt that. Anyone with any intelligence could see that he is, and will be a fine investment for Honda in the future. When they signed him, I'm quite sure that they understood something like that could happen any instant. That's the reasons teams buy insurance...to cover their bets.
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RandyS wrote:
Nobody including Ken Roczen knows the answer to that question. Remember after round one someone said that odds were against Roczen or Tomac ever getting a...
Nobody including Ken Roczen knows the answer to that question. Remember after round one someone said that odds were against Roczen or Tomac ever getting a 450 SX title. I'd say that for Roczen that is a real possibility. He may prove me wrong but I don't see him coming back next year as a serious threat. I would say if he does it will be 2019 before KR94 will be a threat for the title. He's still going to be young enough but I hear Davalos is moving up in 19 so it won't be easy.
LOL at Davalos moving up in '19.

It's hard to say if Ken will get back to the form he was showing. Hopefully he will but that's once messed up arm. The amount of scar tissue he'll have could cause him trouble.

Here's a little article I found about the subject.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/166660-the-effects-of-scar-tissue-aft…

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Chinaski 1/31/2017 3:15pm
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I doubt that. Anyone with any intelligence could see that he is, and will be a fine investment for Honda in the future. When they signed...
I doubt that. Anyone with any intelligence could see that he is, and will be a fine investment for Honda in the future. When they signed him, I'm quite sure that they understood something like that could happen any instant. That's the reasons teams buy insurance...to cover their bets.
What do you doubt?

"Anyone with any intelligence could see that" Roczen has turned out to be a losing "investment" for Honda in 2017. Isn't that obvious?
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davistld01 1/31/2017 3:38pm
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Chinaski...

To answer your question...

You said Honda is furious over Roczens quick season...and I DOUBT they are. Disappointed, of course...furious, no.

And, I know you love to stir shit up since you were busy trolling on the Stewart thread...so no matter how you change the words in my quote, I said Honda probably still knows that they still have a FINE investment for the future of the team, and future CHAMPIONSHIPS with Roczen. Their money has not been wasted.
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Adam43 1/31/2017 3:48pm
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Showed the pics to some people who work in ortho and they weren't nearly as concerned for his prospects as some fans are. None thought being ready in 3-4 months was impossible.

Time will tell and there can always be complications, but Roczen has some very high-quality care available to him.
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motox11 1/31/2017 3:50pm
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I can pretty much guarantee that he will not be ready for outdoors by the start of round 1. My injury was over 85-90% similar so I can weigh in pretty heavily on my personal experience. Granted I may have not had the absolute best of the best when it came to PT, but my hand specialist was one of the best in NY and I highly doubt Ken's PT crew will be able to cut half the recovery time off compared to mine. I think down the line he will be just fine, just not by the start of the outdoors.
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kiwifan 1/31/2017 3:52pm
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I think he will be ok he is in very good care with very good doctors, to all those who have had similar injuries and will be the same again due to bad recovery or had complications remember that Roczen has had much better access to medical care....
neverwasfastenuf 1/31/2017 4:25pm
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Hope so, but probably not, whether it be lingering aches and pains or the mental part of it.

He was pretty jazzed up this year, almost seemed like he went to the line thinking he was invincible and was able to get the results to match.

Although, he has had similar experiences in the past but this year appeared to be different.

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Sargent Rock 1/31/2017 4:41pm
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He better know Dr. Strange. And I am super bummed to say that.
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gabrielito 1/31/2017 4:47pm
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We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better than he was. Better, stronger, faster.





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