Riding/racing MX and the risks...

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1/24/2019 9:20 AM
Edited Date/Time: 1/24/2019 9:28 AM

Is it worth the risks involved? We all know that crashing and breaking something during our riding career is a good chance....but is it worth death?? Should your family mourn you for the rest of their lives because you went to race some race?

And yes, I know we can die in a car on the way home from work.


Just terrible when something happens to a moto 'friend' and it makes some of us want to reevaluate the worth of the risks we take...


Be safe, bros.

BTW, I deleted my comments in the other thread....

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The message posted above is most likely my opinion and shouldn't be taken as fact....

1/24/2019 9:23 AM

Love it or hate it – the people who do it have deemed it worth it and I am not going to stand in the way of someone doing what they love (pending it doesn't directly hurt someone else).

It all comes down to how the individual weighs that risk.


That said, we should be doing everything we can to continue to make the sport safer in hopes of reducing those risks.

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1/24/2019 9:26 AM

This year I lost my sister, a close friend and racer, and another fellow racer, all to cancer. After this year, I am more convinced than ever that the risks are worth it. If not for racing I would have just stayed in the military and found a more dangerous job than the one I had. Racing is what gets me out of bed in the morning, and also the reason that I have friends. If I weren't racing then I would expect people to mourn for me, because then my life would be sad.

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1/24/2019 9:26 AM

Yes.

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"We don't rent pigs."

1/24/2019 9:36 AM
Edited Date/Time: 1/24/2019 9:51 AM

Outdoor mx is worth the risk, but problem is outdoor mx tracks are harder and harder to find. More and more of what is charading around as outdoor mx is actually some perverted version of outdoor sx.

Local tracks designed for amateurs to be ridden with possibly 100s of riders in a day, in more often then not far less than perfect prep/conditions with less than perfect safety precautions (flaggers, competently trained staff etc), with severely varying levels of skill and experience and predictability of riders on track, has no business even resembling sx.

Mx used to be more time on the ground, navigating tricky terrain, off cambers, hills, sand, ruts, line choices, fitness. Now it is turn jump jump jump whoops jump turn jump turn jump.

Get mx back to actual mx and many of the safety issues will solve themselves.

Stop building tracks to cater to the top 5% of amateurs and start building for the 95%. Stop building a track to get that 15 second instagram video and start building them for lifelong customers building lifelong memories with the family at the track.

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1/24/2019 9:38 AM

huck wrote:

Is it worth the risks involved? We all know that crashing and breaking something during our riding career is a good chance....but is it worth death?? Should your family mourn you for the rest of their lives because you went to race some race?

And yes, I know we can die in a car on the way home from work.


Just terrible when something happens to a moto 'friend' and it makes some of us want to reevaluate the worth of the risks we take...


Be safe, bros.

BTW, I deleted my comments in the other thread....

"Is it worth the risks involved?"

Well. I can tell you for a fact that many people will obviously say yes, but some of those same people will change their mind AFTER they get a serious injury, therefore, that question can't accurately be answered with a simple yes or no.

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1/24/2019 9:43 AM

I'm not trying to diminish the woods, but it is a lot safer than mx in terms of catastrophic injury. The trouble is you get sick of it after a while and miss holding her open.

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THERE IS NO SECOND MOTO IN LIFE!

1/24/2019 9:46 AM

If you do nothing with your life, you'll still die.

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1/24/2019 9:47 AM
Edited Date/Time: 1/24/2019 9:51 AM

I absolutely love the sport, but i am on the side of its evolved to far for its own good and needs to take a couple steps backwards, im sure this will sound dumb to some people, but these bikes are to easy to ride fast
An inexperienced person can jump one and go fast, which is great until something unexpected happens. And they dont have the experience to save it.
Only the A riders need bikes as good whats the norm now
Not to mention e start , starting devices etc.
People say all the time a C rider could ride a 2008 and probably have the same results

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1/24/2019 9:48 AM

Simple answer to a complex question.

Life is short. Dont waste it by NOT doing the shit you love to do.

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1/24/2019 9:56 AM
Edited Date/Time: 1/24/2019 10:01 AM

I have been riding and racing for over 30 years, I have never broken anything and never really got hurt much.If I had I might have changed my mind, but I had a brain aneurysm just moving a counter top, rather had one riding a bike..

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1/24/2019 10:34 AM
Edited Date/Time: 1/24/2019 10:37 AM

yz133rider wrote:

Outdoor mx is worth the risk, but problem is outdoor mx tracks are harder and harder to find. More and more of what is charading around as outdoor mx is actually some perverted version of outdoor sx.

Local tracks designed for amateurs to be ridden with possibly 100s of riders in a day, in more often then not far less than perfect prep/conditions with less than perfect safety precautions (flaggers, competently trained staff etc), with severely varying levels of skill and experience and predictability of riders on track, has no business even resembling sx.

Mx used to be more time on the ground, navigating tricky terrain, off cambers, hills, sand, ruts, line choices, fitness. Now it is turn jump jump jump whoops jump turn jump turn jump.

Get mx back to actual mx and many of the safety issues will solve themselves.

Stop building tracks to cater to the top 5% of amateurs and start building for the 95%. Stop building a track to get that 15 second instagram video and start building them for lifelong customers building lifelong memories with the family at the track.

Im also pretty certain thats why j-day, Sprint enduros, grass track races, harescrambles, are all thriving and popping up with massive attendance and why mx keeps circling the drain. People want to ride, but not everyone is as gnarly as eli tomac, its time tracks and promoters realize this.

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1/24/2019 10:39 AM

we have someone get killed on their bicycle in my area probably every other month. Every year kids are paralyzed playing football. Every year a handful of people die while boating at the lake.

Who knows how many total motorcycles are out there, but I would be that the death rates of bicycles, pools, and boating has a higher percentage than does motorcycles.

I get your question, but the reality is that I could walk outside and get flattened by a dump truck. Be smart, enjoy your life, and accept that sometimes really really shitty things happen.

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1/24/2019 10:47 AM

CozMan wrote:

we have someone get killed on their bicycle in my area probably every other month. Every year kids are paralyzed playing football. Every year a handful of people die while boating at the lake.

Who knows how many total motorcycles are out there, but I would be that the death rates of bicycles, pools, and boating has a higher percentage than does motorcycles.

I get your question, but the reality is that I could walk outside and get flattened by a dump truck. Be smart, enjoy your life, and accept that sometimes really really shitty things happen.

Not sure i agree at least not at first take.

Most pool and boating deaths i would say have to do with alcohol, drugs or otherwise extremely poor choices like jumping off a roof into a pool and missing or whatever.

And still ignoring the fact that tracks are very often poorly run, poorly staffed, poorly prepped, poorly structured, and poorly designed leading to many more accidents then necessary.

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1/24/2019 10:54 AM

yz133rider wrote:

Not sure i agree at least not at first take.

Most pool and boating deaths i would say have to do with alcohol, drugs or otherwise extremely poor choices like jumping off a roof into a pool and missing or whatever.

And still ignoring the fact that tracks are very often poorly run, poorly staffed, poorly prepped, poorly structured, and poorly designed leading to many more accidents then necessary.

poor choices with boats/pools/bikes can equal death.
poor choices (too fast, too big,) with dirt bikes can equal death.

There's a lot more boat/pool/bicycle deaths than dirt bikes. That's all I'm saying.

I do agree with you that tracks could be safer, definitely.

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1/24/2019 11:09 AM

Would you or your loved ones rather have you die from cancer,car accident etc or die doing something you love? Face it, we all want to live to 85-90 or so with sound mind and body and die peacefully in our sleep, reality is life’s probably not gonna work out like that , so enjoy what you do, you only get 1 kick at the can!

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1/24/2019 11:12 AM

There is no universal, right answer to this. For some people, perhaps not. Here's a bit of my personal story that explains why riding has become an important part of my life. When I was a kid in rural Saskatchewan, I was always on either a dirt bike or a snowmobile. When I was 15, my friends and I were out riding some trails and old dirt roads and there just happened to be a truck driving on one of those roads and my friend had the misfortune of meeting it at a blind intersection and being killed. Needless to say, that was rather traumatizing, as I saw it happen. For years, I rode very little if at all (didn't touch a bike between the ages of about 24 and 44. In my late 30s and early 40s I became very, very depressed. For a stretch, I did practically nothing - avoided interacting with people, didn't eat or sleep properly, to the point where I had to be hospitalized. Upon recovering from those issues, I remembered how riding made me feel as a kid and wanted to get some of that feeling back. Also, my childhood experience had left me with some demons, and I wanted to say 'fuck you" to them - to face down some of the fears that had dogged me for many years. It's the best thing I could have done. It gives me a reason to get out of the house and get some exercise. I've met lots of great friends at the track, so it's been great for my social life. And, of course, it's fun. The local track where I ride is sand without big gapped jumps, so it's quite safe - not to mention nice and soft to land in when you crash (though very challenging). I've started racing and am loving it. I know that there is risk, but I make sure to ride within my limits with having fun as the number 1 goal. I don't care so much where I place - there's a few guys that are similar to my speed, so we have our own fun rivalry. Considering what I've been through, I'm doing very well now - happy and loving life, and moto is a big part of that.

What I say may not apply at all to people who race competitively and push it to the edge. But we all have our own reasons for doing what we do and loving what we love. If you don't love it, then it probably isn't worth it.

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Current rides: 2016 KTM 250SXF, 2017 KTM 350SXF

1/24/2019 11:16 AM

Everything is a risk/reward analysis. That goes from walking across the street, to riding, to standing next to a track every weekend while racers zip past me.

It's up to the individual. Some people think knitting needles are dangerous. Others get their kicks with something speedier and more powerful.

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1/24/2019 11:17 AM

yz133rider wrote:

Outdoor mx is worth the risk, but problem is outdoor mx tracks are harder and harder to find. More and more of what is charading around as outdoor mx is actually some perverted version of outdoor sx.

Local tracks designed for amateurs to be ridden with possibly 100s of riders in a day, in more often then not far less than perfect prep/conditions with less than perfect safety precautions (flaggers, competently trained staff etc), with severely varying levels of skill and experience and predictability of riders on track, has no business even resembling sx.

Mx used to be more time on the ground, navigating tricky terrain, off cambers, hills, sand, ruts, line choices, fitness. Now it is turn jump jump jump whoops jump turn jump turn jump.

Get mx back to actual mx and many of the safety issues will solve themselves.

Stop building tracks to cater to the top 5% of amateurs and start building for the 95%. Stop building a track to get that 15 second instagram video and start building them for lifelong customers building lifelong memories with the family at the track.

yz133rider wrote:

Im also pretty certain thats why j-day, Sprint enduros, grass track races, harescrambles, are all thriving and popping up with massive attendance and why mx keeps circling the drain. People want to ride, but not everyone is as gnarly as eli tomac, its time tracks and promoters realize this.

Well said...^^^

I agree with both your post. Me and my riding buddies talk about this often. Half of my riding crew has gone the route of off-roading.

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1/24/2019 11:26 AM

Too much nanny-state mentality these days. I should be able to risk myself if I choose.

That said, in my opinion a consideration has to be if you have others (wife/husband, kids) who depend on your income. If so, steps should to be taken (Aflac, other disability insurance) to make sure they are provided for.

At the end of the day, the only one who should make the decision as to risk/reward is you.

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1/24/2019 11:34 AM

seth505 wrote:

If you do nothing with your life, you'll still die.

Yeah but no one got brain damage or spinal cord injury from wanking off on their couch all day either... at least I don’t think.

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1/24/2019 11:38 AM

I still ride, but very much within my limits, The days of , “I think I can jump that” are over. If I’m not sure, I don’t.

To be honest, I get more enjoyment on the street riding with the gf, or daughter.

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1/24/2019 11:38 AM

omalley wrote:

Too much nanny-state mentality these days. I should be able to risk myself if I choose.

That said, in my opinion a consideration has to be if you have others (wife/husband, kids) who depend on your income. If so, steps should to be taken (Aflac, other disability insurance) to make sure they are provided for.

At the end of the day, the only one who should make the decision as to risk/reward is you.

I don't think Aflac pays if you get hurt racing motorcycles

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1/24/2019 11:43 AM

seth505 wrote:

If you do nothing with your life, you'll still die.

Sweetd31 wrote:

Yeah but no one got brain damage or spinal cord injury from wanking off on their couch all day either... at least I don’t think.

We need more data to say for sure grin

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1/24/2019 11:49 AM

yz133rider wrote:

Outdoor mx is worth the risk, but problem is outdoor mx tracks are harder and harder to find. More and more of what is charading around as outdoor mx is actually some perverted version of outdoor sx.

Local tracks designed for amateurs to be ridden with possibly 100s of riders in a day, in more often then not far less than perfect prep/conditions with less than perfect safety precautions (flaggers, competently trained staff etc), with severely varying levels of skill and experience and predictability of riders on track, has no business even resembling sx.

Mx used to be more time on the ground, navigating tricky terrain, off cambers, hills, sand, ruts, line choices, fitness. Now it is turn jump jump jump whoops jump turn jump turn jump.

Get mx back to actual mx and many of the safety issues will solve themselves.

Stop building tracks to cater to the top 5% of amateurs and start building for the 95%. Stop building a track to get that 15 second instagram video and start building them for lifelong customers building lifelong memories with the family at the track.

Well said!!! The young guys will attribute this to some of us being old!

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1/24/2019 11:50 AM

yz133rider wrote:

Outdoor mx is worth the risk, but problem is outdoor mx tracks are harder and harder to find. More and more of what is charading around as outdoor mx is actually some perverted version of outdoor sx.

Local tracks designed for amateurs to be ridden with possibly 100s of riders in a day, in more often then not far less than perfect prep/conditions with less than perfect safety precautions (flaggers, competently trained staff etc), with severely varying levels of skill and experience and predictability of riders on track, has no business even resembling sx.

Mx used to be more time on the ground, navigating tricky terrain, off cambers, hills, sand, ruts, line choices, fitness. Now it is turn jump jump jump whoops jump turn jump turn jump.

Get mx back to actual mx and many of the safety issues will solve themselves.

Stop building tracks to cater to the top 5% of amateurs and start building for the 95%. Stop building a track to get that 15 second instagram video and start building them for lifelong customers building lifelong memories with the family at the track.

yz133rider wrote:

Im also pretty certain thats why j-day, Sprint enduros, grass track races, harescrambles, are all thriving and popping up with massive attendance and why mx keeps circling the drain. People want to ride, but not everyone is as gnarly as eli tomac, its time tracks and promoters realize this.

NeedMoto wrote:

Well said...^^^

I agree with both your post. Me and my riding buddies talk about this often. Half of my riding crew has gone the route of off-roading.

I wish others thought like this (as I do). I quit going to my closest MX track because it became an obstacle course instead of a track. I'll drive 3 hours+ to ride a good track. There is no totally safe MX track, but be sensible with the prep and jumps and it will at least be safer.

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Take it to the limit, one more time!

1/24/2019 11:50 AM

yz133rider wrote:

Outdoor mx is worth the risk, but problem is outdoor mx tracks are harder and harder to find. More and more of what is charading around as outdoor mx is actually some perverted version of outdoor sx.

Local tracks designed for amateurs to be ridden with possibly 100s of riders in a day, in more often then not far less than perfect prep/conditions with less than perfect safety precautions (flaggers, competently trained staff etc), with severely varying levels of skill and experience and predictability of riders on track, has no business even resembling sx.

Mx used to be more time on the ground, navigating tricky terrain, off cambers, hills, sand, ruts, line choices, fitness. Now it is turn jump jump jump whoops jump turn jump turn jump.

Get mx back to actual mx and many of the safety issues will solve themselves.

Stop building tracks to cater to the top 5% of amateurs and start building for the 95%. Stop building a track to get that 15 second instagram video and start building them for lifelong customers building lifelong memories with the family at the track.

PK97 wrote:

Well said!!! The young guys will attribute this to some of us being old!

but wise lol!

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Take it to the limit, one more time!

1/24/2019 11:54 AM

If it is your passion, then the risk is known but worth it.

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1/24/2019 12:09 PM
Edited Date/Time: 1/24/2019 12:14 PM

A close friend of mine had a crash over a small single/scrub jump. He almost bled out and was very close to having his leg amputated. After 3-4 months in the hospital and permanent nerve danger in his lower leg he ride all the time about as fast as he did before. If it’s something you truly love you’ll do it regardless of the risks. There’s things people do that are much more dangerous then this sport for fun.

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1/24/2019 12:30 PM
Edited Date/Time: 1/24/2019 12:34 PM

I would like to hear the opinions of guys who have life changing injuries from mx, and how they feel.
I lost my lower right leg due to a mx crash. i have asked myself that question a lot over the years, or i get asked that quetion when im struggling with certain things.
I have no regrets, it was worth it to me. Riding has been such a positive influence in my life, and i have valuable experiences from it. I take some solace that i got hurt doing what i loved, and it was my choice and what i wanted to do.

Edit*'i dont have kids and i think that family and income really influence people's decisions!

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