Riding Talent THEN vs NOW

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11/28/2017 1:33 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/28/2017 1:47 PM

Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on the talent of riders today on 4 strokes, compared to early 2000's on 2 strokes?

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11/28/2017 1:45 PM

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11/28/2017 1:49 PM

Waaayyy more dirtybiker. Do many more jumps and jumps are not good for the sport. But I know what is good for sport. I am a pro at giving my opion of what is good for thr sport.

Is it good for the sport? Maybe it will be if its good for the sport but bad if its bad for the sport. But trust me, i know whats more goodest and baddest for the sport.

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11/28/2017 1:52 PM

rmoto003 wrote:

Waaayyy more dirtybiker. Do many more jumps and jumps are not good for the sport. But I know what is good for sport. I am a pro at giving my opion of what is good for thr sport.

Is it good for the sport? Maybe it will be if its good for the sport but bad if its bad for the sport. But trust me, i know whats more goodest and baddest for the sport.

Well said.

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11/28/2017 1:56 PM

The Factory ECU's make a pretty big difference. Defiantly riders are the talented.

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11/28/2017 4:24 PM

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11/28/2017 4:31 PM

Bro.....

If only I could take my speed and skills and this bad ass spaceship of a bike back to 2001, I would totally clean up bro.

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11/28/2017 4:38 PM

What age groups are dominant in numbers at your local weekly races? Around here 60/40 under 40/over 40. If today's talent sticks around they are better.

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11/28/2017 4:46 PM

rmoto003 wrote:

Waaayyy more dirtybiker. Do many more jumps and jumps are not good for the sport. But I know what is good for sport. I am a pro at giving my opion of what is good for thr sport.

Is it good for the sport? Maybe it will be if its good for the sport but bad if its bad for the sport. But trust me, i know whats more goodest and baddest for the sport.

Yes, lets trust you of all people, the one who misspells everything and makes multiple grammatical errors.

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11/28/2017 4:51 PM

Saw a video of Bereman railing an old YZ at day In The Dirt. I think talent evolves as the technology does.

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11/28/2017 5:10 PM

JS7 spoiled us for another 10-20 yrs

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11/28/2017 5:13 PM

Talents the same, style has evolved

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11/28/2017 5:52 PM

Advances in engine/suspension technology have allowed today's racers to do things the old timers wouldn't even consider. All you youngsters can thank those that came before for the magical machines you have today. When was the last time you heard of shock fade/breakage, fork/swing arm flex, heat related power loss? There's no time machine but I'd guess most of the fast guys from the past would be just as fast on a modern machines. Conversely, I'd bet most of today's hotshoes would be fast on the old iron. You gotta be tough to race a scooter in the dirt....that hasn't changed.

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11/28/2017 6:06 PM

m.hardesty16 wrote:

Yes, lets trust you of all people, the one who misspells everything and makes multiple grammatical errors.

>not getting the joke

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11/28/2017 6:36 PM

m.hardesty16 wrote:

Yes, lets trust you of all people, the one who misspells everything and makes multiple grammatical errors.

There you go with that negativity again. Get laid bro.

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11/28/2017 6:42 PM

The technical talent was more evolved in the 90's and early 2000's. Tracks were slower speed, but more jumpy. And not these big ramped jumps. They were steep and technical. You had to know how to time jumps and land on the backside of doubles and triples.

Four strokes made riding so much easier that every yahoo could twist the throttle and get a good run at a jump....and crash and knock themselves out. Track owners had to make it easier so that morons on 250F's didn't kill themselves....and in the process kill the art of learning to jump rhythm sections.

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11/28/2017 6:54 PM

JB 19 wrote:

The technical talent was more evolved in the 90's and early 2000's. Tracks were slower speed, but more jumpy. And not these big ramped jumps. They were steep and technical. You had to know how to time jumps and land on the backside of doubles and triples.

Four strokes made riding so much easier that every yahoo could twist the throttle and get a good run at a jump....and crash and knock themselves out. Track owners had to make it easier so that morons on 250F's didn't kill themselves....and in the process kill the art of learning to jump rhythm sections.

Careful with that around here... you’ll get blasted! But I do agree. Local tracks were way more fun until the 4 strokes came around. But we will get shamed for that opinion

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11/28/2017 7:10 PM

Talent or portrayed skill set?

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11/28/2017 7:20 PM

Nobody's topped RC yet so I'd say the 2000s but oh wait I think talent contributed to about 1% of his success

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11/28/2017 7:34 PM

All depends on who was homeschooled the least. wassat

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11/28/2017 8:40 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/28/2017 8:42 PM

Talent is always talent, but the skill set is different.

Guys now have amazing skill and timing. But I'd say they have it easy with the bikes and tracks.

The bad asses to me are the 80s/90s guys that had the skills to ride a 125, 250, and 500. Those are all 3 completely different animals that required very different techniques. They could ride anything from real sand to real blue grove hardpack. Now all the soil is loamy and pretty similar...they haul sand into the hard tracks to soften them up and haul clay into the soft tracks to firm them up.

If you had a time machine and took the old school guys into today they'd figure it out and compete. But if you took today's riders back to Carlsbad and on a 500 2 stroke they'd be on their heads in the 2nd corner.

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11/28/2017 9:05 PM

nrosso391 wrote:

Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on the talent of riders today on 4 strokes, compared to early 2000's on 2 strokes?

That's funny. When you said then vs now, I thought you were going to compare now to like 30 or 40 years ago. I still consider the early 2000's as now.

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11/29/2017 1:53 AM

Today's racing lacks the technique it required to ride and go fast on a two stroke. Four strokes took the need to be flawless and precise out of racing like the computer took away the need to be skilled at typing or even know how to spell at all. Mess up and spell check fixes it. Screw up a corner just grab a handful and seat jump the triple anyway.

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11/29/2017 5:05 AM

nrosso391 wrote:

Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on the talent of riders today on 4 strokes, compared to early 2000's on 2 strokes?

Motoxdoc wrote:

That's funny. When you said then vs now, I thought you were going to compare now to like 30 or 40 years ago. I still consider the early 2000's as now.

Get with the times old man pinch

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11/29/2017 5:11 AM

kzizok wrote:

Talent or portrayed skill set?

Yep plus expectation of what's possible.

You grow up watching 70s moto, you're wandering if you can double or triple that.

You grow up watching James Stewart, you think life is a video game.

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11/29/2017 5:16 AM

rmoto003 wrote:

Waaayyy more dirtybiker. Do many more jumps and jumps are not good for the sport. But I know what is good for sport. I am a pro at giving my opion of what is good for thr sport.

Is it good for the sport? Maybe it will be if its good for the sport but bad if its bad for the sport. But trust me, i know whats more goodest and baddest for the sport.

m.hardesty16 wrote:

Yes, lets trust you of all people, the one who misspells everything and makes multiple grammatical errors.

hellbillyohio wrote:

There you go with that negativity again. Get laid bro.

For real... Go back and read your negativity thread. I think you lost your way... again...

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11/29/2017 5:25 AM

wpark89 wrote:

Talent is always talent, but the skill set is different.

Guys now have amazing skill and timing. But I'd say they have it easy with the bikes and tracks.

The bad asses to me are the 80s/90s guys that had the skills to ride a 125, 250, and 500. Those are all 3 completely different animals that required very different techniques. They could ride anything from real sand to real blue grove hardpack. Now all the soil is loamy and pretty similar...they haul sand into the hard tracks to soften them up and haul clay into the soft tracks to firm them up.

If you had a time machine and took the old school guys into today they'd figure it out and compete. But if you took today's riders back to Carlsbad and on a 500 2 stroke they'd be on their heads in the 2nd corner.

I agree with this

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11/29/2017 6:03 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/29/2017 6:34 AM

Agree with wpark that talent is talent. It doesn't matter when it strikes, some dudes have heaps of it and some don't.

On a related note, it looks like Dean Wilson was doing his homework today by watching this clip (from his IG story):

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11/29/2017 7:12 AM

MohMoto14 wrote:

Today's racing lacks the technique it required to ride and go fast on a two stroke. Four strokes took the need to be flawless and precise out of racing like the computer took away the need to be skilled at typing or even know how to spell at all. Mess up and spell check fixes it. Screw up a corner just grab a handful and seat jump the triple anyway.

That's what I was thinking. You can get away with so much more now with the way tracks are designed and how good the bikes are. You need good timing but not as good of timing as required for a 2 stroke or even gearing for that matter. In a rhythm section, If you lug a 4 stroke it will pull it usually. If you lug that 2 stroke, there's no power at all and you're coming up short. I also agree with the grab a handful and you're clear anyways...

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I'm just here to stir sh#t up...

11/29/2017 8:05 AM

I say we make MC race RV and settle this once and for all

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