Remember when E start was to heavy q

mayzo
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4/12/2020 5:27am Edited Date/Time 4/20/2020 12:07pm
Don’t see to many whinging about KTM’s being to heavy and complex with that damn E start anymore.
Where did you all go ?
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Boomslang
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4/12/2020 5:35am
mayzo wrote:
Don’t see to many whinging about KTM’s being to heavy and complex with that damn E start anymore.
Where did you all go ?
Are you aware that we are in year 2020?
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4/12/2020 5:41am
Boomslang wrote:
Are you aware that we are in year 2020?
And yet the SX broadcast is still about the same quality as the moon landing on the family's 19 inch black and white.
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4/12/2020 1:27pm
A thing or 2 has happened since KTM released the 450 SXF with e-start in 2007...

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4/12/2020 1:28pm
You know, those SXFs would be even lighter with a kickstarter...
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zehn
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4/12/2020 1:28pm
The thing I remember most was how e-start was for pussies
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4/12/2020 1:39pm
Remember e-bikes will never catch on....too soon?
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4/12/2020 1:44pm
zehn wrote:
The thing I remember most was how e-start was for pussies
same here.

"the day I can no longer kick start a bike is the day i quit riding"

I know very few people that now have e-start bikes that aren't glad they have it.
4/12/2020 2:19pm
Learning......It takes 13 years to convert a hillbilly.
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TeamGreen
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4/12/2020 2:30pm
Sure, but what about all those times the starter button sticks?

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4/13/2020 9:37am
Falcon wrote:
You know, those SXFs would be even lighter with a kickstarter...
This is probably barely correct anymore, considering how light the batteries have become.
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4/13/2020 9:40am
I like having both Cool Kickstart for people who are cheap, E-Start for people who have the extra money, and in my opinion both is best so if the battery dies, or E-start somehow fails, you’re never SOL Smile
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Falcon
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Falcon wrote:
You know, those SXFs would be even lighter with a kickstarter...
KTMmarkus wrote:
This is probably barely correct anymore, considering how light the batteries have become.
A battery, starter motor, handlebar switch and wires will always weigh more than an aluminum kickstart lever, regardless of how light they make those components.
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I love electric start but I stopped buying KTM's 300 xc after 2015 because I believe that was the last year for kickstarter back up.........I never liked riding 3 hours from civilization in colorado with only electric start......Now I think you can retrofit them if you want....Time for a fresh one????
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4/14/2020 12:01am
Suzuki still rememberers when E Start was too heavy.
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1911 wrote:
Suzuki still rememberers when E Start was too heavy.
I wonder what their profit margin is on the RMZ since its had very little R&D the last few years vs the KTM which has had constant development.
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vetmxr wrote:
I love electric start but I stopped buying KTM's 300 xc after 2015 because I believe that was the last year for kickstarter back up.........I never...
I love electric start but I stopped buying KTM's 300 xc after 2015 because I believe that was the last year for kickstarter back up.........I never liked riding 3 hours from civilization in colorado with only electric start......Now I think you can retrofit them if you want....Time for a fresh one????
You must have stopped doing research as well. Two stroke XC's all have kickstart backup. My '18 300 has it....never use it.

Falcon- Are you forgetting about the kickstart return/ratchet ring system with the large steel spring? Also the idler gear? Not to mention the larger casting in the cases to hold said kickstart assembly. Take a look at how small the cases are on modern e-start bikes. I agree a kickstart bike would probably be lighter....but it would be negligible.
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4/14/2020 10:00am
BobPA wrote:
You must have stopped doing research as well. Two stroke XC's all have kickstart backup. My '18 300 has it....never use it. Falcon- Are you forgetting...
You must have stopped doing research as well. Two stroke XC's all have kickstart backup. My '18 300 has it....never use it.

Falcon- Are you forgetting about the kickstart return/ratchet ring system with the large steel spring? Also the idler gear? Not to mention the larger casting in the cases to hold said kickstart assembly. Take a look at how small the cases are on modern e-start bikes. I agree a kickstart bike would probably be lighter....but it would be negligible.
Not anymore, my new TX300i is button only but you can add it.

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Falcon
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vetmxr wrote:
I love electric start but I stopped buying KTM's 300 xc after 2015 because I believe that was the last year for kickstarter back up.........I never...
I love electric start but I stopped buying KTM's 300 xc after 2015 because I believe that was the last year for kickstarter back up.........I never liked riding 3 hours from civilization in colorado with only electric start......Now I think you can retrofit them if you want....Time for a fresh one????
BobPA wrote:
You must have stopped doing research as well. Two stroke XC's all have kickstart backup. My '18 300 has it....never use it. Falcon- Are you forgetting...
You must have stopped doing research as well. Two stroke XC's all have kickstart backup. My '18 300 has it....never use it.

Falcon- Are you forgetting about the kickstart return/ratchet ring system with the large steel spring? Also the idler gear? Not to mention the larger casting in the cases to hold said kickstart assembly. Take a look at how small the cases are on modern e-start bikes. I agree a kickstart bike would probably be lighter....but it would be negligible.
I must admit I glossed over the idler gear and return spring, but even so the starter motor and bendix have to be heavier.
I've never looked closely, but what do the e-start bikes do to prevent the engine from turning the starter motor when the engine is running? There has to be some kind of physical disconnect, right? Time to break out the exploded drawings, I guess.
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4/19/2020 8:52pm
Boomslang wrote:
Are you aware that we are in year 2020?
newmann wrote:
And yet the SX broadcast is still about the same quality as the moon landing on the family's 19 inch black and white.
Ain't that the truth, I could never figure out why the image quality was so bad for sx and mx broadcasts, even today where your iphone can record much better quality.
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4/20/2020 2:12am
People will be complaining about the suspension on hover bikes soon...
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4/20/2020 5:52am
Gosh, I’m surprised some of you guys don’t want to still hand crank your cars.
For you young grasshoppers that was how cars were started at one time.
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4/20/2020 7:38am
Falcon wrote:
You know, those SXFs would be even lighter with a kickstarter...
KTMmarkus wrote:
This is probably barely correct anymore, considering how light the batteries have become.
Falcon wrote:
A battery, starter motor, handlebar switch and wires will always weigh more than an aluminum kickstart lever, regardless of how light they make those components.
When there is a minimum weight limit for MX/SX bikes (and with E start, they are right at the limit), why is any of this relevant?
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BobPA
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4/20/2020 7:54am
vetmxr wrote:
I love electric start but I stopped buying KTM's 300 xc after 2015 because I believe that was the last year for kickstarter back up.........I never...
I love electric start but I stopped buying KTM's 300 xc after 2015 because I believe that was the last year for kickstarter back up.........I never liked riding 3 hours from civilization in colorado with only electric start......Now I think you can retrofit them if you want....Time for a fresh one????
BobPA wrote:
You must have stopped doing research as well. Two stroke XC's all have kickstart backup. My '18 300 has it....never use it. Falcon- Are you forgetting...
You must have stopped doing research as well. Two stroke XC's all have kickstart backup. My '18 300 has it....never use it.

Falcon- Are you forgetting about the kickstart return/ratchet ring system with the large steel spring? Also the idler gear? Not to mention the larger casting in the cases to hold said kickstart assembly. Take a look at how small the cases are on modern e-start bikes. I agree a kickstart bike would probably be lighter....but it would be negligible.
Falcon wrote:
I must admit I glossed over the idler gear and return spring, but even so the starter motor and bendix have to be heavier. I've never...
I must admit I glossed over the idler gear and return spring, but even so the starter motor and bendix have to be heavier.
I've never looked closely, but what do the e-start bikes do to prevent the engine from turning the starter motor when the engine is running? There has to be some kind of physical disconnect, right? Time to break out the exploded drawings, I guess.
Usually a one way bearing built into the starter ring, or starter drive. All manufacturers accomplish it differently. Some work, some need to be fixed from time to time haha.
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4/20/2020 10:12am Edited Date/Time 4/20/2020 10:13am
When I was younger I had a old MX bike that was missing the kick start lever altogether and I had to bump start that think for two years until I could afford to buy a new lever. I even raced it and bump started at the track ,guess if you want to ride bad enough you will find a way. Cool
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4/20/2020 11:16am
KTMmarkus wrote:
This is probably barely correct anymore, considering how light the batteries have become.
Falcon wrote:
A battery, starter motor, handlebar switch and wires will always weigh more than an aluminum kickstart lever, regardless of how light they make those components.
TbonesPop wrote:
When there is a minimum weight limit for MX/SX bikes (and with E start, they are right at the limit), why is any of this relevant?
* one company is at the weight limit.
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4/20/2020 11:38am
People will be complaining about the suspension on hover bikes soon...
Well duh, you think air forks don't give much feedback....
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same here. "the day I can no longer kick start a bike is the day i quit riding" I know very few people that now have...
same here.

"the day I can no longer kick start a bike is the day i quit riding"

I know very few people that now have e-start bikes that aren't glad they have it.
And it was always the Vet riders throwing out these hot takes.

Guess who the biggest proponents of E-start are now? Laughing

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