Reason for Barcia's Honda DNF ?

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Edited Date/Time 10/23/2013 11:38pm
I heard it was a mechanical problem with the engine ?
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Not to be that guy...but 4-stroke superiority
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I heard that he was unable to finish for some reason... Whistling
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Don't be talking about the almighty Honda shitting the bed. Wouldn't want them to take their toys and go home now would you?Laughing

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Walter 10/20/2013 1:20pm
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Years ago when a Honda F1 engine failed the party line was that it was an ignition failure (not a Honda part).

The reality was that a rod broke, went through the side of the block and blew the mag off of the motor...thus the "ignition failure."
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Compared to a 15 year old bike, evolution hasn't added more than FI and valves (and what goes with that), it's not much more stuff than that is it? Seems electrical failures are the most common issue these days, maybe that was the case 1998 as well...
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Joko wrote:
I heard it was a mechanical problem with the engine ?
He and Cooper Webb collided and JB's bike wouldn't start
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Joko wrote:
I heard it was a mechanical problem with the engine ?
rcm406 wrote:
He and Cooper Webb collided and JB's bike wouldn't start
Yep. Justin couldn't get it to fire and pushed it off. According to the team, it fired up back in the pits.
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Flux Capacitor went out..
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DrSweden 10/20/2013 1:53pm
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Crazy, how do you label an error like that, wont start when crucial, then later starts in the pits. Something went wrong, but in the end nothing was wrong problem... Maybe it was an issue of leg fatigue...
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DrSweden wrote:
Crazy, how do you label an error like that, wont start when crucial, then later starts in the pits. Something went wrong, but in the end...
Crazy, how do you label an error like that, wont start when crucial, then later starts in the pits. Something went wrong, but in the end nothing was wrong problem... Maybe it was an issue of leg fatigue...
hot 4 strokes dont like to start, never have
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kiwifan 10/20/2013 5:31pm
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DrSweden wrote:
Crazy, how do you label an error like that, wont start when crucial, then later starts in the pits. Something went wrong, but in the end...
Crazy, how do you label an error like that, wont start when crucial, then later starts in the pits. Something went wrong, but in the end nothing was wrong problem... Maybe it was an issue of leg fatigue...
yz414 wrote:
hot 4 strokes dont like to start, never have
I had a friend there who was near the pits when it was wheeled in, fired up 2nd kick, ran fine....apparently no smoke and sounded very crisp ....
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Honda's karma since killing the 2 stroke is indisputably bad
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kiwifan 10/20/2013 7:28pm
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CR250Rider wrote:
Honda's karma since killing the 2 stroke is indisputably bad
Didnt Yamaha start it? You forget that Suzuki and Kawasaki dont produce a 2 stroke either...why does everyone always forget this....go KTM!!!!!
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Choppy 10/20/2013 7:36pm
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Because nobody had problems with two-strokes?
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newmann 10/20/2013 7:55pm
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Choppy wrote:
Because nobody had problems with two-strokes?
Sure they did. But it wasn't because of the karma.....



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mynewcr250 10/20/2013 8:16pm
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CR250Rider wrote:
Honda's karma since killing the 2 stroke is indisputably bad
kiwifan wrote:
Didnt Yamaha start it? You forget that Suzuki and Kawasaki dont produce a 2 stroke either...why does everyone always forget this....go KTM!!!!!
EVERY single one of those companies still produces a 2 stroke except honda. did you not watch the supermini races at the monster cup?
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Honda Honda Made of Tin Ride Them Out Walk Them In,,,,,

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kiwifan 10/20/2013 11:20pm
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CR250Rider wrote:
Honda's karma since killing the 2 stroke is indisputably bad
kiwifan wrote:
Didnt Yamaha start it? You forget that Suzuki and Kawasaki dont produce a 2 stroke either...why does everyone always forget this....go KTM!!!!!
mynewcr250 wrote:
EVERY single one of those companies still produces a 2 stroke except honda. did you not watch the supermini races at the monster cup?
No I didnt....oh so now its ok because the other manufacturers make minis...ok..wow.....still, go KTM !!!!!!
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kiwifan 10/20/2013 11:23pm
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kiwifan wrote:
Didnt Yamaha start it? You forget that Suzuki and Kawasaki dont produce a 2 stroke either...why does everyone always forget this....go KTM!!!!!
mynewcr250 wrote:
EVERY single one of those companies still produces a 2 stroke except honda. did you not watch the supermini races at the monster cup?
kiwifan wrote:
No I didnt....oh so now its ok because the other manufacturers make minis...ok..wow.....still, go KTM !!!!!!
p.s. you do realise that they stopped making minis(2002) before they stopped making the bigger two strokes dont you? And Yamaha started the 4 stroke craze, better to blame them....isnt it?

buy KTM they rule
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mynewcr250 10/21/2013 12:49am
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mynewcr250 wrote:
EVERY single one of those companies still produces a 2 stroke except honda. did you not watch the supermini races at the monster cup?
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No I didnt....oh so now its ok because the other manufacturers make minis...ok..wow.....still, go KTM !!!!!!
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p.s. you do realise that they stopped making minis(2002) before they stopped making the bigger two strokes dont you? And Yamaha started the 4 stroke craze...
p.s. you do realise that they stopped making minis(2002) before they stopped making the bigger two strokes dont you? And Yamaha started the 4 stroke craze, better to blame them....isnt it?

buy KTM they rule
not sure if this is a troll or what...2002?

http://motocross.transworld.net/1000150082/features/kawasaki-launch-all…

"all new for 2014"

i didnt say it was ok, i just said that honda is the only one who completely dumped them all the way through the product line. go blame the consumer, they're the ones that bought the 4 strokes.

i dont need to "go" ktm, i bought a brand new 250sx last year. i didnt just post online that i want 2 strokes around, i actually went out and threw 7g's at a company that will continue to build what i want.
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DrSweden 10/21/2013 5:47am
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DrSweden wrote:
Crazy, how do you label an error like that, wont start when crucial, then later starts in the pits. Something went wrong, but in the end...
Crazy, how do you label an error like that, wont start when crucial, then later starts in the pits. Something went wrong, but in the end nothing was wrong problem... Maybe it was an issue of leg fatigue...
yz414 wrote:
hot 4 strokes dont like to start, never have
Newer got the issue to start with, that was supposed to be cured with the hot start gadgets, only to disappear again with EFI, but now a similar issue has come back? Was this the case with Dungeys KTM last season as well ( despite electric start)? They have their complexity no doubt, but after EFI seems people get them fired up more quickly these days no doubt. Remember last year when KR or was it Marvin that just pushed the e-start after stalling in SX, it made my YZ125 kick start breeze look almost troublesome! Smile
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Choppy 10/21/2013 8:10am
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Choppy wrote:
Because nobody had problems with two-strokes?
newmann wrote:
Sure they did. But it wasn't because of the karma.....



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No.
It was because they could see the future of two- stroke fans, and all the threads they would ruin.
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kiwifan 10/21/2013 1:36pm
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No I didnt....oh so now its ok because the other manufacturers make minis...ok..wow.....still, go KTM !!!!!!
kiwifan wrote:
p.s. you do realise that they stopped making minis(2002) before they stopped making the bigger two strokes dont you? And Yamaha started the 4 stroke craze...
p.s. you do realise that they stopped making minis(2002) before they stopped making the bigger two strokes dont you? And Yamaha started the 4 stroke craze, better to blame them....isnt it?

buy KTM they rule
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not sure if this is a troll or what...2002? http://motocross.transworld.net/1000150082/features/kawasaki-launch-all-new-kx85-and-kx100-for-2014/ "all new for 2014" i didnt say it was ok, i just said that honda is...
not sure if this is a troll or what...2002?

http://motocross.transworld.net/1000150082/features/kawasaki-launch-all…

"all new for 2014"

i didnt say it was ok, i just said that honda is the only one who completely dumped them all the way through the product line. go blame the consumer, they're the ones that bought the 4 strokes.

i dont need to "go" ktm, i bought a brand new 250sx last year. i didnt just post online that i want 2 strokes around, i actually went out and threw 7g's at a company that will continue to build what i want.
I was referring to Honda not producing a mini since 2002, my point was they stopped making them BEFORE they started producing 4 strokes.

So because Honda compeltely 'dumped' them then they are the blame for other manufacturer to produce a lot less of them, because that is what your original post implies :-)

well good on you....congrats, I am sure everyone else buys what they want not want others WANT them to buy
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kiwifan 10/21/2013 1:37pm
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Choppy wrote:
Because nobody had problems with two-strokes?
newmann wrote:
Sure they did. But it wasn't because of the karma.....



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Choppy wrote:
No.
It was because they could see the future of two- stroke fans, and all the threads they would ruin.
lmao...nice one!!!!
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DrSweden wrote:
Newer got the issue to start with, that was supposed to be cured with the hot start gadgets, only to disappear again with EFI, but now...
Newer got the issue to start with, that was supposed to be cured with the hot start gadgets, only to disappear again with EFI, but now a similar issue has come back? Was this the case with Dungeys KTM last season as well ( despite electric start)? They have their complexity no doubt, but after EFI seems people get them fired up more quickly these days no doubt. Remember last year when KR or was it Marvin that just pushed the e-start after stalling in SX, it made my YZ125 kick start breeze look almost troublesome! Smile
EFI has definitely helped. The only time my 13 CRF250 has refused to start was when I cartwheeled it on my 3rd lap of Dunkirk, which is deep deep sand and the bikes run real hot.

If I had done the same on my 04 i'd probably still be kicking it now.
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DrSweden 10/21/2013 2:44pm
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DrSweden wrote:
Newer got the issue to start with, that was supposed to be cured with the hot start gadgets, only to disappear again with EFI, but now...
Newer got the issue to start with, that was supposed to be cured with the hot start gadgets, only to disappear again with EFI, but now a similar issue has come back? Was this the case with Dungeys KTM last season as well ( despite electric start)? They have their complexity no doubt, but after EFI seems people get them fired up more quickly these days no doubt. Remember last year when KR or was it Marvin that just pushed the e-start after stalling in SX, it made my YZ125 kick start breeze look almost troublesome! Smile
Barrett57 wrote:
EFI has definitely helped. The only time my 13 CRF250 has refused to start was when I cartwheeled it on my 3rd lap of Dunkirk, which...
EFI has definitely helped. The only time my 13 CRF250 has refused to start was when I cartwheeled it on my 3rd lap of Dunkirk, which is deep deep sand and the bikes run real hot.

If I had done the same on my 04 i'd probably still be kicking it now.
I hear you. Odd thing, of all the Fs I have owned, the only bike that I ever had issues starting was my CRF450 EFI. Sold the POS, and the irony, which equals one of my greatest moment in my "racing career" was winning the Wick in the Mickey Mouse class, because the guy that should have won (he beat me pretty easy second moto), stalled his CRF450 EFI and couldn't get it started.

Listen to his agony (while I and many others passed him)...

http://youtu.be/PZAGmf_5LKk?t=4m8s
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My '13 Kawi 450 starts hot and in gear just fine. Probably better than when it's cold, I'd say.
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kiwifan wrote:
p.s. you do realise that they stopped making minis(2002) before they stopped making the bigger two strokes dont you? And Yamaha started the 4 stroke craze...
p.s. you do realise that they stopped making minis(2002) before they stopped making the bigger two strokes dont you? And Yamaha started the 4 stroke craze, better to blame them....isnt it?

buy KTM they rule
mynewcr250 wrote:
not sure if this is a troll or what...2002? http://motocross.transworld.net/1000150082/features/kawasaki-launch-all-new-kx85-and-kx100-for-2014/ "all new for 2014" i didnt say it was ok, i just said that honda is...
not sure if this is a troll or what...2002?

http://motocross.transworld.net/1000150082/features/kawasaki-launch-all…

"all new for 2014"

i didnt say it was ok, i just said that honda is the only one who completely dumped them all the way through the product line. go blame the consumer, they're the ones that bought the 4 strokes.

i dont need to "go" ktm, i bought a brand new 250sx last year. i didnt just post online that i want 2 strokes around, i actually went out and threw 7g's at a company that will continue to build what i want.
kiwifan wrote:
I was referring to Honda not producing a mini since 2002, my point was they stopped making them BEFORE they started producing 4 strokes. So because...
I was referring to Honda not producing a mini since 2002, my point was they stopped making them BEFORE they started producing 4 strokes.

So because Honda compeltely 'dumped' them then they are the blame for other manufacturer to produce a lot less of them, because that is what your original post implies :-)

well good on you....congrats, I am sure everyone else buys what they want not want others WANT them to buy
no, my original post implied that you were wrong in your assessment that suzuki and kawi dont make 2 strokes anymore...
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mynewcr250 10/21/2013 3:16pm
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DrSweden wrote:
Newer got the issue to start with, that was supposed to be cured with the hot start gadgets, only to disappear again with EFI, but now...
Newer got the issue to start with, that was supposed to be cured with the hot start gadgets, only to disappear again with EFI, but now a similar issue has come back? Was this the case with Dungeys KTM last season as well ( despite electric start)? They have their complexity no doubt, but after EFI seems people get them fired up more quickly these days no doubt. Remember last year when KR or was it Marvin that just pushed the e-start after stalling in SX, it made my YZ125 kick start breeze look almost troublesome! Smile
Barrett57 wrote:
EFI has definitely helped. The only time my 13 CRF250 has refused to start was when I cartwheeled it on my 3rd lap of Dunkirk, which...
EFI has definitely helped. The only time my 13 CRF250 has refused to start was when I cartwheeled it on my 3rd lap of Dunkirk, which is deep deep sand and the bikes run real hot.

If I had done the same on my 04 i'd probably still be kicking it now.
DrSweden wrote:
I hear you. Odd thing, of all the Fs I have owned, the only bike that I ever had issues starting was my CRF450 EFI. Sold...
I hear you. Odd thing, of all the Fs I have owned, the only bike that I ever had issues starting was my CRF450 EFI. Sold the POS, and the irony, which equals one of my greatest moment in my "racing career" was winning the Wick in the Mickey Mouse class, because the guy that should have won (he beat me pretty easy second moto), stalled his CRF450 EFI and couldn't get it started.

Listen to his agony (while I and many others passed him)...

http://youtu.be/PZAGmf_5LKk?t=4m8s
lol, poor guy. he did a better job of not throwing a shit fit like i would of done.

a wins a win though, its not like you made him stall it Wink

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