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2/6/2018 6:52 PM

2/6/2018 6:56 PM

Same as todays motocross but a lot slower with less skill

2/6/2018 6:58 PM

Richard Tease II wrote:

Same as todays motocross but a lot slower with less skill

Sure thing scooter

2/6/2018 7:00 PM

I'll be judged if I judge

2/6/2018 7:15 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/6/2018 7:17 PM

Nearly every decade of the sport is different, for better or worse. Rather than compare which generation is the best or the "realest", why not just embrace and appreciate the unique characteristics that distinguish one from the other as the sport continues it's evolution. My 2cents anyways..

Positively, absolutely 110% obsessed with anything MOTO.

2/6/2018 7:21 PM

maybe it looks slow, but these guys were pushing their bikes as fast as they can. just like they do today

"If you feel in control, you're not going fast enough" ~Mario Andretti

2/6/2018 7:24 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/6/2018 7:26 PM

Richard Tease II wrote:

Same as todays motocross but a lot slower with less skill

Go do some laps on an '86 RM and then come back and talk to us : ) !!!

Thanks for posting BobbyM, that was the first MX race that I ever saw (on TV). Up until that point I was a trail rider, after that I was using the tractor to push some jumps up in the field near my house. A year later I was racing!

2/6/2018 7:37 PM

https://youtu.be/b3pOQW_7VMQ
A lot of people including some factory HRC mechanics think that this is possibly the fastest an mid 80’s era 250 has been ridden and this kid is just an amateur. So i back my claim on the mid 80’s riders being less skilled. Bobby constantly trolls for back in the day they were better well i don’t think they were.
I AM THE JUDGE

2/6/2018 7:42 PM

Richard Tease II wrote:

Same as todays motocross but a lot slower with less skill

BobbyM wrote:

Sure thing scooter

I used to think the same thing back when I thought I was hot shit one day back in 2002 at Riverfront Park in Marysville. Then a guy wearing a long sleeved Bultaco shirt, overalls, and an ol school Bultaco came out there and "son'd" me in 3 turns. My dad used to also destroy a majority of people at the Carnegie mx track on a 77 Can Am 200 2smoke as well. Skill is skill, only the bikes have improved and as in the said cases above that doesn't matter sometimes.

2/6/2018 7:44 PM

Different era, different tracks, different equipment, stand alone in its own right. While awesome, times have moved on. Better than, better now? All in the eye of the beholder. Just because a person was personally involved in it, does not necessarily make it superior. That tends to lend bias to judgement, in fact.

2/6/2018 7:47 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/6/2018 7:47 PM

If we had tracks like that today, today's riders would look slower also. All the riders would be complaining that there's no "flow". lol

2/6/2018 7:50 PM

scooter5002 wrote:

Different era, different tracks, different equipment, stand alone in its own right. While awesome, times have moved on. Better than, better now? All in the eye of the beholder. Just because a person was personally involved in it, does not necessarily make it superior. That tends to lend bias to judgement, in fact.

Yup, what scooter said.

There's something happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear.

2/6/2018 7:54 PM

Could also be a nod to the track (Unadilla) back then.

2/6/2018 8:26 PM

thanks for posting....the pass Omara put on Hannah was craftsmanship....so cool.

2/6/2018 8:57 PM



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2/6/2018 9:00 PM

Richard Tease II wrote:

https://youtu.be/b3pOQW_7VMQ
A lot of people including some factory HRC mechanics think that this is possibly the fastest an mid 80’s era 250 has been ridden and this kid is just an amateur. So i back my claim on the mid 80’s riders being less skilled. Bobby constantly trolls for back in the day they were better well i don’t think they were.
I AM THE JUDGE

I think vid you linked might actually support the OP's point- Millville looks like a freeway compared to that '86 'Dilla track in the vid. Different bikes, different times, evolution of technique, etc.. All era's of the sport are great in there own right. If Hannah was born in '95, he'd be a champion now, and if Villo was born in '65, he would have been a champ in the 80's. But watch any vid from the 80's, the sport has also gotten easier thanks to technology and evolution. That being said, the sport has never been faster, bigger, more skillful, and more dangerous than It is now. The eras are different, but all great in my book.

2/6/2018 9:10 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/6/2018 9:10 PM

Richard Tease II wrote:

https://youtu.be/b3pOQW_7VMQ
A lot of people including some factory HRC mechanics think that this is possibly the fastest an mid 80’s era 250 has been ridden and this kid is just an amateur. So i back my claim on the mid 80’s riders being less skilled. Bobby constantly trolls for back in the day they were better well i don’t think they were.
I AM THE JUDGE

That track is not as rough as the Unadilla. I'm sure the suspension is light years ahead of what Hannah and O'mara were riding in 88. And finally, where is this kid now?
It's all an apples and oranges comparison.

The older I get, the faster I was.

2/6/2018 10:26 PM

You had to have raced in that era to understand how bad the stock platform of Hannah's bike was. I mean it was an absolute POC. The 1986 Honda in stock form was the best bike by far (all 3 displacements), and then the works version that O'Mara was on was obviously incredible. Back then the difference between the best and worst bikes was massive.

Old MXer turned Superfan.

2/6/2018 10:43 PM

Richard Tease II wrote:

Same as todays motocross but a lot slower with less skill

There are Blasphemers in our midst!

2/6/2018 11:49 PM

Observations from that Unadilla video:

1. It was rough. And some of those straights took technique rather than just holding the throttle open.

2. Picking the best/smoothest line was actually a thing.

3. Because of the above, the speed with which riders went on those sections varied far more compared to today’s tracks, (dependent on their skill and line choice).

4. No artificial jumps. Didn’t take anything away from the spectacle though.

5. The track seemed much wider, but slower than today’s, with slower corners which were at the same time roomy.

6. Slower speeds = easier passing. (It’s more difficult to turn a bike when it’s going fast).

7. Notice how few 180 degree corners there were? IMO 180 degree corners don’t help passing.

8. I wish modern racing would incorporate tracks like that.

2/7/2018 12:08 AM
Edited Date/Time: 2/7/2018 12:09 AM

Richard Tease II wrote:

https://youtu.be/b3pOQW_7VMQ
A lot of people including some factory HRC mechanics think that this is possibly the fastest an mid 80’s era 250 has been ridden and this kid is just an amateur. So i back my claim on the mid 80’s riders being less skilled. Bobby constantly trolls for back in the day they were better well i don’t think they were.
I AM THE JUDGE

The track that kid's riding is smooth as glass. Put him on that 86 Unadilla track and he probably wouldn't be able to handle it. I think it's pretty much been proven that most of today's riders don't do well on rough natural terrain tracks like that. Look at how they do against the Euros at the MXON in the sand and stuff. Hannah and co thrived on that kind of track.

2/7/2018 2:01 AM

LMAO Kehoe at the 3:50 mark goes buck wild off the track and into the crowd.
Hannah was an animal and so was the O Show.

2/7/2018 3:41 AM
Edited Date/Time: 2/7/2018 6:08 AM

I was a spectator at that race! Thsy were flying and track was rough as fuck, real motocross hell yeah, thanks for posting

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Now that's Italian

2/7/2018 4:02 AM

captmoto wrote:

That track is not as rough as the Unadilla. I'm sure the suspension is light years ahead of what Hannah and O'mara were riding in 88. And finally, where is this kid now?
It's all an apples and oranges comparison.

He runs top 10 in 250 SX..

2/7/2018 4:11 AM

Ted722 wrote:

Could also be a nod to the track (Unadilla) back then.

Thanks for posting !!!! Unadilla is still amazing, but excessive grooming and man-made obstacles ruin the track in my opinion. We just had the "best" Supercross of the year in Oakland, and people refuse to believe it was BECAUSE IT GOT RUTTED. The people in charge refuse to believe that "Timed Practice" causes a one lined track and Holeshot devices, starting grids, and the ridiculously outdated "Double-displacement Rule" all contribute to the dumbing down of our sport.






2/7/2018 4:21 AM

olds cool wrote:

If we had tracks like that today, today's riders would look slower also. All the riders would be complaining that there's no "flow". lol

And crying they need it groomed between motos

If you like uncle tony's meatballs, you'll love his sausage

Now that's Italian

2/7/2018 6:05 AM

Thanks BobbyM: I seen it live, I"ve watched the video many times, I just watched it again, great way to start my day! This was a great time in Moto history, Hannah going to Suzuki to finish out his career and help develop the bikes that needed ALOT of work.......Maybe this is why I have a garage full of RM"s....I wish they would stop ripping the track so deep everywhere, I know the jump faces need to be touched up here & there but leave the straights natural, just plant the grass seed & let it form up.....the transformation of tall grass to full on MX track was a site to behold..

2/7/2018 7:05 AM

As others have said, times have changed. But per Bobby's comment.....yes. This is "real" motocross.

As for the comment from DickTease, "Same" and "Slower" might be argued, but your "less skill" belief is ignorant.

2/7/2018 7:13 AM

Those guys were hauling ass back then! You can't disrespect history of the sport. The top guys of today wouldn't be where they're at without the guys of the past who were pushing the machinery and developing the correct techniques to go fast on a dirt bike. That Jerry Robin video is freaking bad ass. Makes me want to go find an old bike for dirt cheap just to have fun on because I don't have thousands of dollars to through at a bike either.

2/7/2018 7:50 AM

Looked like they were hauling ass to me.