RacerX Top 30 Riders. Tomac over Brad Lackey?.

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5/2/2018 8:59 PM

Hey,

Luv all you guys in Morgantown but Eli Tomac is a greater rider than Brad Lackey?

Not buying it.

Lackey was national and world champion. He blazed the trail to Europe for all Americans who later followed. He did it his way and it was the hard way.

My two cents.

Rex Backman

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5/2/2018 9:11 PM
Edited Date/Time: 5/2/2018 9:12 PM

I have to agree with you. Tomac is still young so he may get close but unless he goes to battle overseas he should never pass him. There is more to Moto than what’s on one side of the pond. Lackey found success worldwide and not just a National level

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5/2/2018 9:17 PM

Just throwing it out there that the article specifically stated -

"Remember, these rankings are based on the AMA Motocross Nationals—international events like the Motocross of Nations and Grand Prix events here and abroad will not be factored into our tally."

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5/2/2018 9:19 PM

+3

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5/2/2018 9:21 PM

Ranch Life wrote:

Just throwing it out there that the article specifically stated -

"Remember, these rankings are based on the AMA Motocross Nationals—international events like the Motocross of Nations and Grand Prix events here and abroad will not be factored into our tally."

Obviously I didnt read the article...just this post. Thanks for clarifying. National only....hate to do it but it might swing n Tomacs favor

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5/2/2018 9:22 PM

You guys should really read the intro before posting, but since you obviously didn't, here are a couple of important sentences from it. "Our rankings include a mix of championships, race wins, and podiums; a rider's efficiency and longevity; the competition they raced against; and, of course, pure talent and speed. Remember, these rankings are based on the AMA Motocross Nationals—international events like the Motocross of Nations and Grand Prix events here and abroad will not be factored into our tally."

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5/2/2018 9:57 PM

Ranch Life wrote:

Just throwing it out there that the article specifically stated -

"Remember, these rankings are based on the AMA Motocross Nationals—international events like the Motocross of Nations and Grand Prix events here and abroad will not be factored into our tally."

Fair point. Did not see the fine print. My bad.

Still will stick to my statement of Lackey over Tomac.

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5/2/2018 10:55 PM

Ranch Life wrote:

Just throwing it out there that the article specifically stated -

"Remember, these rankings are based on the AMA Motocross Nationals—international events like the Motocross of Nations and Grand Prix events here and abroad will not be factored into our tally."

Snoqualmie wrote:

Fair point. Did not see the fine print. My bad.

Still will stick to my statement of Lackey over Tomac.

I think it was Eli's two championships that put him over Brad. If they were just going premier class wins (500/450), Brad would win hands down with 16 wins* in a four year period ('72 - '76) to Eli's nine wins in a four year period ('14 - present).


*This is based off of the Racer X Vault, so I'm assuming all of those wins were AMA nationals, and not CRRC/Golden State races.

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5/2/2018 11:31 PM

reed posting high 20s?
give me a fckin break!
they included longevity and podiums AND the competition they raced against...lol...once i saw that ranking i havent bothered reading any further entries
pandering to the us centric bias as always.

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5/2/2018 11:45 PM

I want to see the poll on who has won more races wearing red underpants and blue gloves!

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5/2/2018 11:49 PM

feelnjstfine wrote:

You guys should really read the intro before posting, but since you obviously didn't, here are a couple of important sentences from it. "Our rankings include a mix of championships, race wins, and podiums; a rider's efficiency and longevity; the competition they raced against; and, of course, pure talent and speed. Remember, these rankings are based on the AMA Motocross Nationals—international events like the Motocross of Nations and Grand Prix events here and abroad will not be factored into our tally."

and you should read the entire thread before posting.

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5/3/2018 4:48 AM

Snoqualmie wrote:

Hey,

Luv all you guys in Morgantown but Eli Tomac is a greater rider than Brad Lackey?

Not buying it.

Lackey was national and world champion. He blazed the trail to Europe for all Americans who later followed. He did it his way and it was the hard way.

My two cents.

Rex Backman

these new generation of people have no clue..who blazed the trail and the diffitculty involved...I just stop posting to crap like that...my post count reflexes

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5/3/2018 6:18 AM

Lackey better always, pure legend, titan.
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5/3/2018 6:34 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/3/2018 6:38 AM

How many of Brads wins were actually wins? The bottom of the article states that he had 7 wins in which he was the top American not actually wins.

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5/3/2018 6:37 AM

make1go wrote:

reed posting high 20s?
give me a fckin break!
they included longevity and podiums AND the competition they raced against...lol...once i saw that ranking i havent bothered reading any further entries
pandering to the us centric bias as always.

Reed raced RC for years and beat him in one Moto after an RC crash. I think Reeds placement is pretty accurate. If he would have won in 2011 he would be much higher though.

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5/3/2018 6:39 AM

Tomac nowhere near top 30 in my opinion.

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5/3/2018 7:20 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/3/2018 7:21 AM

TDeath21 wrote:

Tomac nowhere near top 30 in my opinion.

Yeah but you're an Eli hater so obviously your opinion doesn't count.

2 titles for sure puts him in the top 30.

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Alright Lunger, Let's Do It

5/3/2018 7:40 AM

abomination wrote:

and you should read the entire thread before posting.

That response above mine was posted while I was typing, so therefore I didn't see it until mine was posted. You think you got me, but you didn't.

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5/3/2018 8:27 AM

Thanks for checking out the list. These things are always tough because some guys like Lackey and Jim Pomeroy would almost certainly be way up on the list had they not spend the vast majority of their careers in Europe. And then there were guys like Barry Higgins and John DeSoto and Gary Bailey who pretty much were veterans by the time an actual AMA Motocross Championship got up and running in 1972.

The easy part is picking #1...

DC
Racer X

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5/3/2018 8:43 AM

make1go wrote:

reed posting high 20s?
give me a fckin break!
they included longevity and podiums AND the competition they raced against...lol...once i saw that ranking i havent bothered reading any further entries
pandering to the us centric bias as always.

You know he is nowhere near as good outdoors right? Has been this way his entire career.

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5/3/2018 9:46 AM

Based on Racer X's criteria for this list, I agree with them. Based on just AMA Nationals, I'd put Tomac ahead of Lackey. Now if FIM races had also been included, I'd definitely rank Lackey ahead of him. Lackey spent a long time in Europe chasing a world title against legends of our sport and racked up some impressive results.

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5/3/2018 9:57 AM

Lackey I'm sure knew how to get back on his bike in a hurrywink

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5/3/2018 10:59 AM

Snoqualmie wrote:

Hey,

Luv all you guys in Morgantown but Eli Tomac is a greater rider than Brad Lackey?

Not buying it.

Lackey was national and world champion. He blazed the trail to Europe for all Americans who later followed. He did it his way and it was the hard way.

My two cents.

Rex Backman

Did you read the title for this list? AMA Nationals only! Not SX! Not FIM MX! Just AMA Nationals!

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5/3/2018 11:26 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/4/2018 4:07 AM

DC wrote:

Thanks for checking out the list. These things are always tough because some guys like Lackey and Jim Pomeroy would almost certainly be way up on the list had they not spend the vast majority of their careers in Europe. And then there were guys like Barry Higgins and John DeSoto and Gary Bailey who pretty much were veterans by the time an actual AMA Motocross Championship got up and running in 1972.

The easy part is picking #1...

DC
Racer X

No doubt that "The Hurricane" takes the top spot. devil

To the op's point though, Brad is definitely on the MT Everest of American Motocrossers
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motomike's USA MX MT Everest

Danny Chandler
Brad Lackey
Bob Hannah
Ricky Carmichael

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5/3/2018 11:55 AM

DC wrote:

Thanks for checking out the list. These things are always tough because some guys like Lackey and Jim Pomeroy would almost certainly be way up on the list had they not spend the vast majority of their careers in Europe. And then there were guys like Barry Higgins and John DeSoto and Gary Bailey who pretty much were veterans by the time an actual AMA Motocross Championship got up and running in 1972.

The easy part is picking #1...

DC
Racer X

motomike137 wrote:

No doubt that "The Hurricane" takes the top spot. devil

To the op's point though, Brad is definitely on the MT Everest of American Motocrossers
.

motomike's USA MX MT Everest

Danny Chandler
Brad Lackey
Bob Hannah
Ricky Carmichael

Rv,dungey are on the mt everest.

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5/3/2018 12:02 PM

Mt. Rushmore maybe ?

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5/3/2018 12:09 PM

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Mt. Rushmore maybe ?

X2, thanks for the correction. Mine are rc,rv,rd hannah .. include sx and put mc in place of hannah.

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5/3/2018 12:15 PM

feelnjstfine wrote:

You guys should really read the intro before posting, but since you obviously didn't, here are a couple of important sentences from it. "Our rankings include a mix of championships, race wins, and podiums; a rider's efficiency and longevity; the competition they raced against; and, of course, pure talent and speed. Remember, these rankings are based on the AMA Motocross Nationals—international events like the Motocross of Nations and Grand Prix events here and abroad will not be factored into our tally."

abomination wrote:

and you should read the entire thread before posting.

feelnjstfine wrote:

That response above mine was posted while I was typing, so therefore I didn't see it until mine was posted. You think you got me, but you didn't.

the first response was posted 5 mins before yours…so either you're the world's slowest typist, or full of it.

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5/3/2018 12:47 PM
Edited Date/Time: 5/3/2018 12:48 PM

DC wrote:

Thanks for checking out the list. These things are always tough because some guys like Lackey and Jim Pomeroy would almost certainly be way up on the list had they not spend the vast majority of their careers in Europe. And then there were guys like Barry Higgins and John DeSoto and Gary Bailey who pretty much were veterans by the time an actual AMA Motocross Championship got up and running in 1972.

The easy part is picking #1...

DC
Racer X

Maybe you guys could do another list in the future that includes American on all of their Moto accomplishments. Names like Parker, Laporte, Guerra and of course Lackey and Pomeroy will shake up the order. As far as I’m concerned 10 National titles are about equal to Brads 1 world title....but then again I’m old as dirt

Being how the list was labeled (National) it is pretty accurate

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5/3/2018 12:53 PM

Seems to me the original point is one of “relevance”; therefore, I concur.

Eli is an amazingly fast dude...all the while...he’s “here and now” & all too often people have short memories.

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