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Thats 5th or 6th... see where 5 seconds off gets you in a GP. At most rounds thats 20th .
Albertson was 15 seconds off at Unadilla.. thats not even in the same zip code.
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Herlings is on a different level to any other 250 rider on the planet. A bloke who can hardly walk wins the Oakley Bomb every week in your 250 class ffs
Herlings has not proved that he can cut it here against our guys. He went out and broke his leg while losing a race to some minicycle racer before we could find out. And with that broken leg and missing numerous races, he still has a lead in the series and may win the title. You call that field deep?
All I remember last year was Tomac on a 250 coming from way back. Also putting in laptimes way faster than Cairoli on his 400, on his home turf.
Jeez..
The more i get to see your 'top guys' , the more ordinary they all look. Tomac was on it in Germany , the other two were just ordinary , seeing Dungey getting passed by Valentin Guillod , and haveing to explain the 'merican next to me that he just did european champs and wasnt a GP rider yet... and Nicolletti, who is supposed to be good , looked plain ordinary , i've yet to see Baggett not get lapped on a sunday , and Barcia looks fast , but cant run the times..
RV is a class act , Tomac is good , the rest are no better than our guys .
Utah:
Moto 1- Grant was 5th, 1min 19 behind the leader, 3.4 off on laptime
Moto 2- Metclfe 5th, 1min 8 behind the leader, 3.6 off on laptime
Lommel:
Moto 1- Strijbos 5th, 21.2 secs behind the leader, 0.1 off on laptime
Moto 2- De Reuver 5th, 32.9 behind leader, 0.7 off on laptime
Indiana: (muddy i know)
Moto 1- Metcalfe 5th, 1:58 behind, 6.9 off
Moto 2- Grant 5th, 58.9 behind, 5.1 off
Loket:
Moto 1- Simpson 23.8 behind, 1.5 off
Moto 2- Frossard 58.1 behind, 2.4 off
Unadilla:
Moto 1- Short 1:22 behind, 3.8 off
Moto 2- Peick 1:36 behind, 4.1 off
Hyvinkaa:
Moto 1- Strijbos 24.1 behind, 0.5 off
Moto 2- Ferris 31.0 behind, 3.2 off
Washougal:
Moto 1- Metcalfe 59.5 behind, 4.1 off
Moto 2- Short 1:2 behind, 5.4 off
Uddevalla:
Moto 1- Frossard 15.0 behind, 0.01 off
Moto 2- Searle 22.6 behind, 1.3 off
Millville:
Moto 1- Grant 1:00 behind, 3.8 off
Moto 2- Grant 1:35 behind, 5.5 off
Teutschenthal:
Moto 1- Cairoli 11.6 behind, 0.2 faster than the winner
Moto 2- Simpson 26.6 behind, 1.5 off
In the last 5 rounds 8 0f the 10 races in the AMA have finished with 5th over a minute behind the leader. Compared to 0 in the GP's. Also, 7 different people have finished 5th in the last 10 GP motos compared to 5 in the AMA, which would indicate a deeper field. I don't know how much more comprehensively beaten you wanna get!
What is undeniable is that most of the top guys in the world want to come to the US to race. When most top guys come to the US to race, that gives the AMA Nationals series a slight edge over the GPs if we are asking each other which series is more competitive. Which series is better? That has many other factors that go into it.
Cairoli and Herlings would be winning anywhere. If you look at a lot of our recent champions, a decent number of them aren't from the US and/or raced the GPs first. Reed, Wilson, Roczen, and Pourcel to name a few. It really sucks that our sport is one of the few where not all of the top guys in that particular sport consistently compete against each other.
A deep field is one where any number of riders can , and do win , everyone marvels at how fast the guys can come through the field when the fall early , but how hard is it when they are 10 seconds a lap slower.
RV will be a great addition to the grid, but lets see how he fairs in a 30 rider field that are all with 5 seconds a lap... in fact with the riders coming up from MX2, i doubt it will be that far back.
It will be a great season , whatever , i hope everyone stays fit , and it turns out to be what could be a classic year
Pit Row
Herlings is faster than MX1 most weekends,he's so much better than the other MX2 guys but it's hard to guess how some of the AMA boys would do against them as the top 3 won't be at the MXdN
Herlings nearly lapped the current 450 champion last time they met if you want to play silly fuckers too
MXdN last year
Race 1 19th 11 Coldenhoff, Glenn NED KNMV KTM 35:10.628 19 1:13.086
Race 2 8 th 14 Lupino, Alessandro ITA FMI Kawasaki 34:49.543 19 1:16.624
Race3 17th 21 Leok, Tanel EST EMF TM 35:54.506 19 1:12.513
The AMA series is huge compared to every other single country that contests the MXdN,being able to pick 3 riders from virtually the whole series does have an advantage of always having a great team,the GP series is basically Europe (same size as the US) divided up into 10-15 countries,when a country loses a decent rider like many have this year,they struggle for another of simiar talent
It's just the way it is,since it's origins when a few Euros went over to race,it's grown into an incredible industry really,both Amateur and pro,the sheer size of the place allows great expansion both trackwise and riders.It's great,all the better for our sport
If our riders went to Europe I think they would be in the top group winning races, not leaving them behind. At least for the first season.
Bottom line is we are comparing apples to oranges, they're different series.
It's safe to say that most top riders want to come to the US as they move up. Those who don't stay for the big contracts. Looking at the top 3 from mx2 over the years, and a few really good guys who moved up to mx1 for only a season or two, you can say that the majority of the big name prospects came over to race the best with only a few exceptions. That's what I base my theory on depth compared to depth in the GPs. The best riders generally want to race the best unless they find their money and niche in europe.
Tortelli
Chiodi
Pichon
Langston
Townley
Rattray
Pourcel
Searle
Musqin
Roczen
Villapoto fired him about the same time as he sold his house in Florida.
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