RV doing all the right things

eightbitmotocrosser wrote:

Bottom line is the Euro's are afraid of RV going to race the GP's. RV will destroy the legacy and create a new one.

RY4N37 wrote:

Its quite the opposite actually. Everyone i know is buzzing at the fact that RV may race the GP's, we know that we have people over...

Its quite the opposite actually. Everyone i know is buzzing at the fact that RV may race the GP's, we know that we have people over here who can beat him and I'm really looking forward to it if it happens. All it means is that the 450 class in GP's is actaully stacked, whilst the AMA 450 class gets weaker.

If the top American guy comes over to race aginst the top European guys then for me it automatically makes it the best series in the world.

Even if RV does come over here and completely wax everyone (which i doubt) he did to everyone in America too. It would elevate him above Carmicahel if he came and won the world championship

eightbitmotocrosser wrote:

Bottom line is the Euro's are afraid of RV going to race the GP's. RV will destroy the legacy and create a new one.

RY4N37 wrote:

Its quite the opposite actually. Everyone i know is buzzing at the fact that RV may race the GP's, we know that we have people over...

Its quite the opposite actually. Everyone i know is buzzing at the fact that RV may race the GP's, we know that we have people over here who can beat him and I'm really looking forward to it if it happens. All it means is that the 450 class in GP's is actaully stacked, whilst the AMA 450 class gets weaker.

If the top American guy comes over to race aginst the top European guys then for me it automatically makes it the best series in the world.

Even if RV does come over here and completely wax everyone (which i doubt) he did to everyone in America too. It would elevate him above Carmicahel if he came and won the world championship

eightbitmotocrosser wrote:

You say that now, but what happens when RV starts winning and laying waste to the competition?

RY4N37 wrote:

I don't think that will happen. It will be tough for him. He won't be able to have an off day and finish 2nd. Riders like...

I don't think that will happen. It will be tough for him. He won't be able to have an off day and finish 2nd. Riders like Paulin, Desalle, Van Horebeek can win races against anyone on any given day. He will have to bring his A game.

RY4N37 wrote:

Cairoli hasn't been challenged properly since 2012 when he dnf'd both races in Sweden and conceded the championship lead. He then won the last 7 GP's...

Cairoli hasn't been challenged properly since 2012 when he dnf'd both races in Sweden and conceded the championship lead. He then won the last 7 GP's and 13 of the last 14 motos. That's what you call bringing your A+ game. Cairoli does what he has to to win the title. If RV comes, he's gonna have a fight on his hands. From more than just Cairoli too

eightbitmotocrosser wrote:

RV's gonna smoke em and make America proud.

eightbitmotocrosser wrote:

RV's gonna smoke em and make America proud.

RY4N37 wrote:

Not gonna happen. But it would be good for an American to win the world championship seeing as they can't win their own national series

RY4N37 wrote:

Not gonna happen. But it would be good for an American to win the world championship seeing as they can't win their own national series

Skippie wrote:

First time a non American has won the outdoors since Chad Reed. The past 4 years have been Dungey and Villopoto, so try to come up...

First time a non American has won the outdoors since Chad Reed. The past 4 years have been Dungey and Villopoto, so try to come up with a better comeback. Now I'm not saying RV is gonna go over there and kill it, but at least try to come up with a semi reasonable response.

RY4N37 wrote:

I don't think that will happen. It will be tough for him. He won't be able to have an off day and finish 2nd. Riders like...

I don't think that will happen. It will be tough for him. He won't be able to have an off day and finish 2nd. Riders like Paulin, Desalle, Van Horebeek can win races against anyone on any given day. He will have to bring his A game.

StartedTooLate wrote:

So...RV can have an off day at the AMA nationals...and finish 2nd...but in the GP...if he has an off day...getting P2 will be harder? Are you...

So...RV can have an off day at the AMA nationals...and finish 2nd...but in the GP...if he has an off day...getting P2 will be harder?

Are you serious? So...you seriously believe that the P2-P5 riders in the GPs are stronger than in the AMA Pro Nationals?

Have your forgotten that Clement DeSalle (clearly the #2 guy in MX1 behind AC...till he got hurt in SWE) raced two nationals in 2013...Lakewood and Muddy Creek? He was between 2 and 3.5 seconds a lap slower than RV....and finished 30-40 seconds behind him each moto (not including MC Moto 2, where CD fell at the start...and finished farther back). The Muddy Creek race was also the 1st national there...so it was the 1st time on the track for both RV and CD.

Paulin and RV? Please. RV is on another planet. Van Horbeek? Consistent...but his best speed is a notch below CD..let alone RV.

RV utterly dominated last year...and he will do the same in the GPs if he races them. He is the best MX rider on the planet. Lots of people will be eating crow come March 2015 if RV goes over there...

Skippie wrote:

First time a non American has won the outdoors since Chad Reed. The past 4 years have been Dungey and Villopoto, so try to come up...

First time a non American has won the outdoors since Chad Reed. The past 4 years have been Dungey and Villopoto, so try to come up with a better comeback. Now I'm not saying RV is gonna go over there and kill it, but at least try to come up with a semi reasonable response.

RY4N37 wrote:

We're not talking about the past. We're talking about now and next season. This season a European won the American championship, in the 250 class you've...

We're not talking about the past. We're talking about now and next season. This season a European won the American championship, in the 250 class you've had Europeans winning overalls and races. Dominate your own championship before you talk about coming and dominating ours. That's all I'm saying

philG wrote:

To be fair to RV he won when he turned up , Dungey won when he didnt.

StartedTooLate wrote:

So...RV can have an off day at the AMA nationals...and finish 2nd...but in the GP...if he has an off day...getting P2 will be harder? Are you...

So...RV can have an off day at the AMA nationals...and finish 2nd...but in the GP...if he has an off day...getting P2 will be harder?

Are you serious? So...you seriously believe that the P2-P5 riders in the GPs are stronger than in the AMA Pro Nationals?

Have your forgotten that Clement DeSalle (clearly the #2 guy in MX1 behind AC...till he got hurt in SWE) raced two nationals in 2013...Lakewood and Muddy Creek? He was between 2 and 3.5 seconds a lap slower than RV....and finished 30-40 seconds behind him each moto (not including MC Moto 2, where CD fell at the start...and finished farther back). The Muddy Creek race was also the 1st national there...so it was the 1st time on the track for both RV and CD.

Paulin and RV? Please. RV is on another planet. Van Horbeek? Consistent...but his best speed is a notch below CD..let alone RV.

RV utterly dominated last year...and he will do the same in the GPs if he races them. He is the best MX rider on the planet. Lots of people will be eating crow come March 2015 if RV goes over there...

RY4N37 wrote:

Also, I think the fact that Desalle can be 2.5-3 secs a lap off and still finish 6th overall tells you everything you need to know...

Also, I think the fact that Desalle can be 2.5-3 secs a lap off and still finish 6th overall tells you everything you need to know about the AMA nationals. The field was 'stacked' that year too apparently

RY4N37 wrote:

That's exactly what I'm saying. RV will find the competition tough but he knows he will. Forget about what Desalle did last time he raced in...

That's exactly what I'm saying. RV will find the competition tough but he knows he will. Forget about what Desalle did last time he raced in America he was on holiday. Although he has been on the podium at an AMA national on more than one occasion.

Take Utah as an example. There's nothing really specialist about that track, the dirt is fairly normal. The gap from 1st to 4th in qualifying was 4.3 seconds, at the Lommel GP which is deep sand and therefore a much more specialist surface, being that far off pole would put you 18th. At Teutschenthal which is a comparable surface to Utah it would've qualified you in 27th.

Cairoli has already proven he is at least as quick as Dungey and Roczen and others. So I think it's safe to assume that the speed at the front is not too different.

The guy who qualified 25th in the 450 class at Utah was 16 seconds off the pace. OVER ONE LAP. If the 107% rule was enforced in the AMA you'd only have 18 riders in every race.

But hey, we're deluded to think the GP's are more competitive.

Who needs facts when you can just say 'Merica, and claim to be the best

RY4N37 wrote:

We're not talking about the past. We're talking about now and next season. This season a European won the American championship, in the 250 class you've...

We're not talking about the past. We're talking about now and next season. This season a European won the American championship, in the 250 class you've had Europeans winning overalls and races. Dominate your own championship before you talk about coming and dominating ours. That's all I'm saying

Spartacus wrote:

There is most likely more to winning the GP title than being the "fastest" on the track" so to speak. That's a lot of travel/different food/big...

There is most likely more to winning the GP title than being the "fastest" on the track" so to speak. That's a lot of travel/different food/big time zone changes/potential non-supportive crowds/etc./etc.

If it even happens……………….

machine wrote:

Yep..he's gonna have his hands full. I hope they don't treat him like Lance Armstrong or even how Pourcel got treated his first time here....

Yep..he's gonna have his hands full. I hope they don't treat him like Lance Armstrong or even how Pourcel got treated his first time here. , those Euro fans are a little over the top sometimes.

StartedTooLate wrote:

The reason for the gap in the AMA nationals is not because the field drops off...it because the top guys are on a different level. Your...

The reason for the gap in the AMA nationals is not because the field drops off...it because the top guys are on a different level. Your time gap comparisons are nonsense. A tight field does not by default mean a higher level of competition.

Also there is the number of practice laps that the GP guys have...vs the short 1 day AMA show. The gaps in AMA qualifying are exaggerated because the top guys can get to top speed in the tiny amount of practice time they are given.

Finally...KR and Dunge are not RV. The 'speed at the front' is not the same when RV is in the race...

HT1: RV by 21s
HT2: RV by 21s
TV1: RV by 10s
TV2: RV by 7s
MC1: RV by 10s
MC2: RV falls lap 1..comes back to 4th...almost 3rd
HP1: RV by 17s
HP2: RV by 10s
BC1: RV by 50s (Dungey fell at the end of the moto)
BC2: Dunge wins, RV 2nd 17s back
SW1: Dunge wins.. RV 3s back.
SW2: RV by 15s
RB1: RV by 28s
RB2: RV by 32s
WSH1: Dunge by 1.5s over RV (RVs worst track)
WSH2 RV by 8.5s
MV1: RV falls hard...finishes P6
MV2: RV P4
UD1: RV by 20s
UD2: RV by 12s
UT1: RV by 27s
UT2: RV by 11s
LE1: RV by 27s
LE2: Rv by 19s

Will RV win every moto? Heck no. But he will won most of them.

If AC is the speed of RD the result will be the same. RV will smoke him...just like he smoked RD.

Bearuno wrote:

He'lll be treated like a Superstar, just as the US MXDN Team is, every year. Unless he acts like a f**ckwit, which I seriously doubt -...

He'lll be treated like a Superstar, just as the US MXDN Team is, every year.

Unless he acts like a f**ckwit, which I seriously doubt - if he does, he'll be treated as just that.

visser62 wrote:

Nobody will ever be as fast as Herlings in the sand.

SEE ARE125 wrote:

You're right. Herlings is a beast at sand..... bagging.

thrillbillie91 wrote:

its going to be one long off season..........we're not even there yet lol

thrillbillie91 wrote:

its going to be one long off season..........we're not even there yet lol

RY4N37 wrote:

Agreed. Either way it's gonna be awesome, and it should end all the speculation one way or another. We'll see who's best over a season, and...

Agreed. Either way it's gonna be awesome, and it should end all the speculation one way or another. We'll see who's best over a season, and we're extremely lucky to have the opportunity to see that

pilotdude wrote:

[b]I was being kind when I said that Cairoli has proved himself to be at least as fast as Dungey. Based on last years MXdN performances...

I was being kind when I said that Cairoli has proved himself to be at least as fast as Dungey. Based on last years MXdN performances he's in a different league to Dungey

You must be unaware that Dungey had an episode of food poisoning during last year's event. And I'm being more than kind based on that ridiculous statement above.

Dungey beat Cairoli in 2009, 2010, and 2011. That's 3 straight years, if you are counting. But Cairoli has won the last 2 years, 2012 when the MXdN was held on his practice track, and last year's as already mentioned, so he must be in a "different league."