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Edited Date/Time 8/24/2021 7:23am
RC put up some world class numbers. Pretty amazing when you look at it.

Other than a "slow start" in Supercross, he was unbeatable for a title.

Looks like Stewart had him covered for SX in 07, but not outdoors. Who knows how it would of played out had RC ran the entire series in 07.

600 points possible in MX. 425 in Supercross, 200 in a SX Lites regional series.

https://vault.racerxonline.com/rider/ricky-carmichael/races

https://vault.racerxonline.com/rider/ricky-carmichael/points

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Best guy ever to do it. Not even close.
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Johnny Ringo 8/18/2021 7:51pm
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“RC put up some world class numbers”.....LOL HOT TAKE

Dude, he created the world class. He IS the world class of moto.
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Johnny Ringo 8/18/2021 7:54pm
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Also, we know how 2007 would have turned out. He would have won. Obviously.
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https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/While-I-was-doing-stats-…

Here's my post for those that don't follow the link...

125 Class
Top 10 - 38 (97.4%)
Top 5 - 35 (89.7%)
Top 3 - 33 (84.6%)
Wins - 26 (66.6%)
Total Races - 39
Average Finish - 2.6

250 Class
Top 10 - 86 (97.7%)
Top 3 - 84 (95.4%)
Wins - 76 (86.3%)
Total Races - 88
Average Finish - 1.7
If you scrap the race that he DNFed, which resulted in a 38th place finish, his average finish is 1.2


Overall
Top 10 - 124 (97.6%)
Top 5 - 123 (96.8%)
Top 3 - 116 (91.3%)
Wins - 102 (80.3%)
Total Races - 127
Average finish is 2
For fun, if you scrap the 38th place finish, his average finish is 1.7

Oh yeah, and 10/10 on championships.
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BigBoreFan58 8/18/2021 8:29pm
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Also, we know how 2007 would have turned out. He would have won. Obviously.
07, RC wins outdoors. Supercross, maybe? Maybe he would have pressured James into mistakes in SX, maybe not.
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vitalriderCrf 8/18/2021 8:57pm
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Agreed. That big ass number 4 he ran on his plates was massive. Bagget’s 4 just never compared.
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Also, we know how 2007 would have turned out. He would have won. Obviously.
BigBoreFan58 wrote:
07, RC wins outdoors. Supercross, maybe? Maybe he would have pressured James into mistakes in SX, maybe not.
Suppose they would've started their careers at the same time?...Dry
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profeshenal125 8/18/2021 9:31pm
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I saw his 1st win at Gainsville, that was unexpected. Everyone just figured it’s his home town track. His 1st sx I saw him launch off a triple almost land on a rider kinda and crash. 97 Millville he was a lot faster. From that race it was on. Nobody had his speed.
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There will never be another. He was so good that he even had arguably the most talented man to ever ride a motorcycle in JS7, completely covered.
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profeshenal125 8/18/2021 9:39pm
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Remember he always grabbed his mouth guard on his helmet. And everyone trying to figure out why. In his 1st 3 years.
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There will never be another. He was so good that he even had arguably the most talented man to ever ride a motorcycle in JS7, completely...
There will never be another. He was so good that he even had arguably the most talented man to ever ride a motorcycle in JS7, completely covered.
RC lost a WSX title to James and really a SX title except he cried and threatened to take his ball and go home...Dry
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To be fair. The “fuel gate” was total bullshit. There was no advantage of a minute % of lead traces in the fuel. Reportedly from the cans they had previously used many times. Leaded race gas at the time has grams as high as 4.5. Today there are so many brands of unleaded as high as 109 octane as well as oxygenated blends.
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toomanykaws wrote:
To be fair. The “fuel gate” was total bullshit. There was no advantage of a minute % of lead traces in the fuel. Reportedly from the...
To be fair. The “fuel gate” was total bullshit. There was no advantage of a minute % of lead traces in the fuel. Reportedly from the cans they had previously used many times. Leaded race gas at the time has grams as high as 4.5. Today there are so many brands of unleaded as high as 109 octane as well as oxygenated blends.
James and Chad took their lick's and got their points taken...Were they cheating?...Dry
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McGrath has 72 Supercross main event wins, and RC has 48. Yet people still call RC the “GOAT of Supercross” lol
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Also, we know how 2007 would have turned out. He would have won. Obviously.
BigBoreFan58 wrote:
07, RC wins outdoors. Supercross, maybe? Maybe he would have pressured James into mistakes in SX, maybe not.
B Lenny wrote:
Suppose they would've started their careers at the same time?...Dry
My guess is that one of them would have died while they were still on 125s. They went scary fast and had some close calls as seasoned pros on 250s/450s, imagine if they were both 16 racing each other on 125s?
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TropicPilot 8/18/2021 11:04pm
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Dutch348 wrote:
McGrath has 72 Supercross main event wins, and RC has 48. Yet people still call RC the “GOAT of Supercross” lol
People call McGrath the "King of Supercross" because that is what he is. Nobody has ever even gotten close to his 72 wins and 7 championships. But his outdoor stats are kind of pedestrian in comparison with 1 outdoor championship and 15 wins.

People call RC the GOAT because of his dominance across both disciplines. 5 Supercross championships combined with his otherworldly stats in motocross - that makes him the Greatest of all Time. It just does.
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Dutch348 wrote:
McGrath has 72 Supercross main event wins, and RC has 48. Yet people still call RC the “GOAT of Supercross” lol
RC is the all around goat....MC will always be the KING of supercross
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Dutch348 wrote:
McGrath has 72 Supercross main event wins, and RC has 48. Yet people still call RC the “GOAT of Supercross” lol
TropicPilot wrote:
People call McGrath the "King of Supercross" because that is what he is. Nobody has ever even gotten close to his 72 wins and 7 championships...
People call McGrath the "King of Supercross" because that is what he is. Nobody has ever even gotten close to his 72 wins and 7 championships. But his outdoor stats are kind of pedestrian in comparison with 1 outdoor championship and 15 wins.

People call RC the GOAT because of his dominance across both disciplines. 5 Supercross championships combined with his otherworldly stats in motocross - that makes him the Greatest of all Time. It just does.
So you're sayin' RC was better than DeCoster in his day?..I don't think so...Dry
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Spudnut 8/18/2021 11:18pm
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B Lenny wrote:
So you're sayin' RC was better than DeCoster in his day?..I don't think so...Dry
DeCoaster only has 36 wins. Sounds pretty weak to me... Dry
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Dutch348 wrote:
McGrath has 72 Supercross main event wins, and RC has 48. Yet people still call RC the “GOAT of Supercross” lol
TropicPilot wrote:
People call McGrath the "King of Supercross" because that is what he is. Nobody has ever even gotten close to his 72 wins and 7 championships...
People call McGrath the "King of Supercross" because that is what he is. Nobody has ever even gotten close to his 72 wins and 7 championships. But his outdoor stats are kind of pedestrian in comparison with 1 outdoor championship and 15 wins.

People call RC the GOAT because of his dominance across both disciplines. 5 Supercross championships combined with his otherworldly stats in motocross - that makes him the Greatest of all Time. It just does.
B Lenny wrote:
So you're sayin' RC was better than DeCoster in his day?..I don't think so...Dry
I think even Roger would say that RC was better than him in his day. Someone should ask.
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Dutch348 8/18/2021 11:34pm
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Dutch348 wrote:
McGrath has 72 Supercross main event wins, and RC has 48. Yet people still call RC the “GOAT of Supercross” lol
TropicPilot wrote:
People call McGrath the "King of Supercross" because that is what he is. Nobody has ever even gotten close to his 72 wins and 7 championships...
People call McGrath the "King of Supercross" because that is what he is. Nobody has ever even gotten close to his 72 wins and 7 championships. But his outdoor stats are kind of pedestrian in comparison with 1 outdoor championship and 15 wins.

People call RC the GOAT because of his dominance across both disciplines. 5 Supercross championships combined with his otherworldly stats in motocross - that makes him the Greatest of all Time. It just does.
First of all, RC could only make it through a set of ‘90s -‘00s whoops clean about 50% of the time. MC was way more talented. Second, MC chose to do sx only because he made so much f’ing money that he didn’t need to do outdoors anymore. MC has more talent in his pinky finger than RC ever did.
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Dutch348 8/18/2021 11:43pm
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And another huge point that is overlooked; MC raced in an era where no one had a full time personal trainer, nutritionist or anything like that. Meanwhile RC had Aldon which started a whole new deal.
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TropicPilot 8/18/2021 11:44pm
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Dutch348 wrote:
McGrath has 72 Supercross main event wins, and RC has 48. Yet people still call RC the “GOAT of Supercross” lol
TropicPilot wrote:
People call McGrath the "King of Supercross" because that is what he is. Nobody has ever even gotten close to his 72 wins and 7 championships...
People call McGrath the "King of Supercross" because that is what he is. Nobody has ever even gotten close to his 72 wins and 7 championships. But his outdoor stats are kind of pedestrian in comparison with 1 outdoor championship and 15 wins.

People call RC the GOAT because of his dominance across both disciplines. 5 Supercross championships combined with his otherworldly stats in motocross - that makes him the Greatest of all Time. It just does.
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So you're sayin' RC was better than DeCoster in his day?..I don't think so...Dry
Ha! See, now this is why bench racing is so much fun. We'll never know, right?

Decoster won his five 500cc World Championships when THAT was the most prestigious class in the world. By all accounts, even from the likes of Bob Hannah, were that RD was the toughest, never-say-die competitor you will ever find. But they said that about RC, too. We'll never know.

But if we're looking at stats, Carmichael's win percentage and the fact that he won 10 outdoor Championships in a row do it for me. Those numbers stand out like some Babe Ruth-type dominance that we won't see again.
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TropicPilot 8/19/2021 12:00am
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Dutch348 wrote:
McGrath has 72 Supercross main event wins, and RC has 48. Yet people still call RC the “GOAT of Supercross” lol
TropicPilot wrote:
People call McGrath the "King of Supercross" because that is what he is. Nobody has ever even gotten close to his 72 wins and 7 championships...
People call McGrath the "King of Supercross" because that is what he is. Nobody has ever even gotten close to his 72 wins and 7 championships. But his outdoor stats are kind of pedestrian in comparison with 1 outdoor championship and 15 wins.

People call RC the GOAT because of his dominance across both disciplines. 5 Supercross championships combined with his otherworldly stats in motocross - that makes him the Greatest of all Time. It just does.
Dutch348 wrote:
First of all, RC could only make it through a set of ‘90s -‘00s whoops clean about 50% of the time. MC was way more talented...
First of all, RC could only make it through a set of ‘90s -‘00s whoops clean about 50% of the time. MC was way more talented. Second, MC chose to do sx only because he made so much f’ing money that he didn’t need to do outdoors anymore. MC has more talent in his pinky finger than RC ever did.
Which pinky are we talking about, bro? The clutch pinky or the throttle pinky? I'm not going to argue with you on Vital about RC's talent.
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Dutch348 wrote:
McGrath has 72 Supercross main event wins, and RC has 48. Yet people still call RC the “GOAT of Supercross” lol
TropicPilot wrote:
People call McGrath the "King of Supercross" because that is what he is. Nobody has ever even gotten close to his 72 wins and 7 championships...
People call McGrath the "King of Supercross" because that is what he is. Nobody has ever even gotten close to his 72 wins and 7 championships. But his outdoor stats are kind of pedestrian in comparison with 1 outdoor championship and 15 wins.

People call RC the GOAT because of his dominance across both disciplines. 5 Supercross championships combined with his otherworldly stats in motocross - that makes him the Greatest of all Time. It just does.
Dutch348 wrote:
First of all, RC could only make it through a set of ‘90s -‘00s whoops clean about 50% of the time. MC was way more talented...
First of all, RC could only make it through a set of ‘90s -‘00s whoops clean about 50% of the time. MC was way more talented. Second, MC chose to do sx only because he made so much f’ing money that he didn’t need to do outdoors anymore. MC has more talent in his pinky finger than RC ever did.
And who was is that punted MC into retirement? Hmmm
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Johnny Ringo 8/19/2021 5:28am
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Ricky also tied MC’s record of 13 sx wins in a row, something that not even stew matched
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Dutch348 wrote:
And another huge point that is overlooked; MC raced in an era where no one had a full time personal trainer, nutritionist or anything like that...
And another huge point that is overlooked; MC raced in an era where no one had a full time personal trainer, nutritionist or anything like that. Meanwhile RC had Aldon which started a whole new deal.
Which makes it even more impressive. RC changed the landscape of the sport with his hard work and determination. His willingness to train harder than anyone else separated him from ever other racer. He didn’t rely on mostly talent to win. I love MC, but you’re talking out of your ass.
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Kinda sounds a little silly but what's nuts is the level of talent he beat out for the length of time. It's somehow more impressive than the titles to me...

He still blows other sport win %'s away, but when you consider the generations of talent he fought back and beat, and really, beat the shit out of, it's nuts.

MC, Huffman, Reynard, Lamson, Sheak, Vohland, Dowd, Brown, Button, Wey, Johnson, Lytle, Sellards, Ramsey, Fonseca, Lusk, Tortelli, LaRocco, Albee, Ward, Ferry, Windham, Travis, RonRon, Pichon, Albee, Byrner, Wey, Preston, Tedesco, Millsaps, DV, GL, Chad and James...

All those dudes were winners, most champs when they didn't race RC, but when they did it was a fucking shut-out. And he 100-fucking-percent left titles on the table. Retired at 27 and pretty well pissed in a few of those last titles. He'd for sure have got another few if he went till 30.

Similarly why I value RV's career so high. More titles than anyone but RC, only lost a 250 regional to Canard, didn't lose a 450 title he finished, and against the dudes he raced. Nuts. And then you realise RC only missed one season once a real contender due to injury.
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