Q: Getting Kids Started on the road to Multiple National and World Championships

Edited Date/Time 3/24/2016 1:39am
I don't have any of my own but I just recently became a great uncle and wanted to get the little bugger going ASAP.
How old do these things have to be before they can hold their head up with a helmet on?
He's about 5 months old now(two if you don't count the three-months prematuredness). I was about four years when I ran wide-open into the back of my first parked car and didn't get another motorcycle til about five years later. That really sucked(the not getting another bike part) and I don't plan on putting this kid through that. He doesn't know it yet but he's in it to win it. Don't tell his mom.
Is it too soon for a 4arm Strong ?
There are older kids in the family but they're girls so, yeah, might as well throw money in a pile and burn it..lol j/k

Seriously now though: Just doing a survey. Wondering how old your (pro Grinning )kids were when you started them riding and what bikes you started them on. BMX first? And any other tips you might wanna offer up would be great. I plan on having a works 50 together for him by the time he's four so... times' a wastin'!

Thanks Cool


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3/23/2016 4:34am
The most important thing is to teach him early how to recognize and avoid fakes and posers.

I would suggest considering other sports that are safer and easier.

Professional fishing comes to mind. All you have to do is know stinky bait is a waste of time.
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3/23/2016 9:24am
Well I have heard that there is fear factor that is overcome by getting into a sport early, before 8 years old.
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My 11 year old daughter sure knows how to rip on her CR85!
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3/23/2016 9:31am
By the kid a set of golf clubs if you want to make real money. Longer career, no injuries, and cheaper initial cost...

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3/23/2016 9:55am
Yeah, agree with Bob... Golf 50th in the world pays a little more then moto 50th in the world...
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3/23/2016 10:16am
h&m_cycle wrote:
Yeah, agree with Bob... Golf 50th in the world pays a little more then moto 50th in the world...
It's not unheard of for the back markers to be making several hundred thousand dollars in golf. This sport is so unfortunate. In order for you to be able to make it to the top, your parents have to choose your career and that means making very crucial decisions such as education or practice. I'd let my kid ride and race but no way would I push him to become a pro or make him ride when he didn't want to. And sure as hell not choosing practice over school.
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h&m_cycle wrote:
Yeah, agree with Bob... Golf 50th in the world pays a little more then moto 50th in the world...
Correct, 50th ranked player in the world is Scott Piercy....for the 2015/2016 which started in mid October....He has earned $615,216 for 9 events....with ONLY 1 top ten finish.

Started pro career in 2001 at the age of 23 and has earned $11,4863,135 in 200 events, including 21 top tens and 3 wins.

That does not include sponsorship money either

Much better career path than moto....
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3/23/2016 11:22am
my advice?

don't.


like everyone else is saying, go after Golf and at the very least get college paid for in scholarships.

Zach Blair grew up a few miles from me. he got his PGA card in 2015. his earnings for 2015 were $1.2m and so far in 2016 is sitting at $650k. he's sitting 46th in the FedEx and 139th in the World. he's not a big name in the golf world yet, but is on his way to having a great career of it.

oh, and look at Rickie, he hasn't done too horribly for himself...
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All the golf stuff aside (it is a good idea though). My boys were 3 1/2 ans 4 when they learned to ride moto and my daughter 5. Made them all ride a bicycle first. The Stryder bikes are great for learning balance and steering. I've worked with kids 3 1/2 to 8 riding for the first time and it really depends on the kid. Luckily so far the "I gotta race" switch hasn't kicked in full time. But the riding side is a great family gig for us. Beats 100% of the time being at soccer games and running races.
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3/23/2016 12:05pm
I would just buy him a lottery ticket every day...
3/23/2016 2:31pm Edited Date/Time 3/23/2016 2:36pm
Tried that with my grand nephew. Just not into it. $800 bmx bike, 10-12 races, done. Dust magnet.

PW50, maybe three hours on it from new, garage ornament. TTR50 , maybe two hours on it from new.

KTM 50, did not show enough interest to gain the skills to ride it well.

It all just sits. Been wanting to sell it all, but Grandma gets all sentimental about it.

He has more interest in a pair of roller blades and a hockey stick.

Save your money.
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Mine started on a PW at about 3 with training wheels I would recommend staying away from training wheels but PW is the way to go.
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I don't have any of my own but I just recently became a great uncle and wanted to get the little bugger going ASAP. How old...
I don't have any of my own but I just recently became a great uncle and wanted to get the little bugger going ASAP.
How old do these things have to be before they can hold their head up with a helmet on?
He's about 5 months old now(two if you don't count the three-months prematuredness). I was about four years when I ran wide-open into the back of my first parked car and didn't get another motorcycle til about five years later. That really sucked(the not getting another bike part) and I don't plan on putting this kid through that. He doesn't know it yet but he's in it to win it. Don't tell his mom.
Is it too soon for a 4arm Strong ?
There are older kids in the family but they're girls so, yeah, might as well throw money in a pile and burn it..lol j/k

Seriously now though: Just doing a survey. Wondering how old your (pro Grinning )kids were when you started them riding and what bikes you started them on. BMX first? And any other tips you might wanna offer up would be great. I plan on having a works 50 together for him by the time he's four so... times' a wastin'!

Thanks Cool


Mike, was there something wrong with your other account that you felt the need to create this one?
3/23/2016 3:56pm
GuyB wrote:
Mike, was there something wrong with your other account that you felt the need to create this one?
Not at all. What happened was, I created the first one cuz I wanted to post to a thread in the forum but got too busy in the time between. Then, by the time I got around to wanting to post again, I had forgotten my username and/or pw so I just created a new account. I don't believe I ever used the first one at all. Sorry bout that.
3/23/2016 4:04pm
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Well,... that's a nice starter package. Lemme know if the wife wants to let em go Cool

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I'd have to say the very 1st thing is to determine if you have a serious boat load of expendable cash. If at around 4 or 5 the kid shows apptitude and desire (the sort of desire that is displayed by wanting to spend every waking moment on the bike) then go for it with no regrets. Even if nothing big ever happens the memories are priceless. If cash is short, the kid is a terminal squid, or just doesn't dig it...it's a recipe for misery. My .02.
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3/23/2016 4:27pm
2.5 & 4 for me. On a PW with training wheels. Now they are 11 & 14 and rip pretty well. It's a tough call. My boys love to ride but it can be stressful. Watching your kid on a 65 huck '80+ triples on his own sounds cool until it happens and you stress out. Watching your kid lay a perfect holeshot then get hit from behind in the first corner and ran over by half the pack sucks. Sitting them down and explaining the risks isn't easy but necessary.....As for expense. Having two kids in moto has been half the cost of one daughter into equestrian eventing. That said, more future in eventing........
3/23/2016 5:04pm
I have a step son that's 13, with no interest in riding, and I'm fine with that.
I got a mini bmx bike at 3 and my old man told me once I mastered it I would get a dirt bike. Less than a year later for my 4th birthday we were rolling an '88 pw50 off the showroom.
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Get a PW with training wheels and turn the throttle screw in. Tie a rope around the frame rail under the rear fender and use it to hold 'em back. Could be riding in no time.
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1-home school
2-drop him off at Colleens
3-pick him up in 5 years
4-do two Ricky races
5-drop him off at Mitch's
6-BOOM
with any luck you might not have to waste money on a 450 cause some guys like to do a career on the tiddler, like Jiffy and Devildog
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3/23/2016 5:30pm
GuyB wrote:
Mike, was there something wrong with your other account that you felt the need to create this one?
Not at all. What happened was, I created the first one cuz I wanted to post to a thread in the forum but got too busy...
Not at all. What happened was, I created the first one cuz I wanted to post to a thread in the forum but got too busy in the time between. Then, by the time I got around to wanting to post again, I had forgotten my username and/or pw so I just created a new account. I don't believe I ever used the first one at all. Sorry bout that.
Tell him "because I felt like it". What are you a fascist GuyB? Is this not 'Murica?
3/23/2016 5:52pm
Tell him "because I felt like it". What are you a fascist GuyB? Is this not 'Murica?
lol. I thot-it-odd for a second but I think I see what he did there...


Mike
3/23/2016 5:54pm
BB67 wrote:
1-home school 2-drop him off at Colleens 3-pick him up in 5 years 4-do two Ricky races 5-drop him off at Mitch's 6-BOOM with any luck...

1-home school
2-drop him off at Colleens
3-pick him up in 5 years
4-do two Ricky races
5-drop him off at Mitch's
6-BOOM
with any luck you might not have to waste money on a 450 cause some guys like to do a career on the tiddler, like Jiffy and Devildog
Haha! Great advice...

I'll ask his mom Laughing
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3/23/2016 6:11pm Edited Date/Time 3/23/2016 6:15pm
I am not a dad but I was tall, I started at 3 1/4 or something alone, at the same time as bicycle without extra wheels. (2 3/4 on ATC... with crashes...)
PW50: 3
PW80: 5 1/2
60KX: 6 1/2
80CR small wheels: 8 1/2
80 YZ big wheels: 10 1/2 to 14 1/2
125 CR: 11 1/2
250 YZ: 13 1/2
500 KX: 16

But it is important to get the priority first, and to know where it is going as it is expensive and risky for the kid (so the parents must be ok), if he likes the sport really much:
the kid love it
school, no A or B or bad behavior = no training
bmx at a good level for technique
some sports to learn how to fall (judo, etc)
some sports to help the back (swim)
other sport (climbing, etc)
training not to make 1000 laps on the same lines, but experiencing new lines
training always with a few faster riders (and some slower)
a track & bulldozer & water is key to make it pro
I think minimum 6 new or reconditioned fast bikes per year from 8 to 14 to make it pro
a trailer to ride in different tracks during holidays all over the place (and for racing later)
the luck to have good tracks nearby
so once it is started a mechanic 2 hours a day
a a lot of time during the week and week end
fitness / streching / diet
and of course luck

To be honest, moto parents are awesome, going through lot of sacrifices, and the time spent between family members is awesome ; kids spend much more time with moto parents and I think tend to stay away more from troubles unless they want to make the tough kids ...

Last but not least: although people will keep telling you it is the rider, not the bike, a stock mini bike & a fast mod mini bike is comparing apple to orange, close to 10 seconds a lap. It is a motor sport, a "cheaper" one but it is still one. For me the bike/team is about 35 to 50% of the results (i.e. how many times we keep hearing 50% of the race is the start, for example; although what it is important for an engine is to be docile and elastic).

Good luck, but for fun, it is up to the kids if they want to make it pro Smile
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My sons racing East Coast 250 SX at the moment, didnt start riding till he was 10... had to play catch up for a while, but at 10 you know they are somewhat serious and its not your ambition driving it.
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3/24/2016 1:13am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2016 1:13am
I sat on the seat of our Honda CT70 at age four and rode up the driveway with my dad on the back... Shit, it was all down hill from there and after several years on three-wheelers (uhhhhhhhgggg) I developed into the addicted degenerate motocross scum I am today...

If you have any pull with his parents, have them beat him from time to time and put gunpowder in his food. That will help make him mean and maybe he'll have the aggression and self confidence to be a great motocross racer someday.

Anyway, we've had "moto-dads" in the sport, maybe it is time for a "scary great uncle" in the sport too?
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3/24/2016 1:39am
My advice would be to make sure that mom and dad agree with getting the kid a bike.
There is this saying ''like taking candy from a baby'', well i'm sure that giving a bike to a kid and then having his parents say you cannot ride it will have a bit deeper impact on the kid... And i expect your relationship with his parents will take a hit as well when the kid refuses to talk to his parents for the next 3 months....

As for what age to get the kid a bike, i have no clue. The only thing that i can say is that at most local/regional races in my area there is always only like 1 or 2 kids on a 50cc, while in 65cc there are a lot more. Not sure if the kids simply don't race on 50cc and only practice or that most kids start later.

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