Put the joker lane in SX

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10/21/2012 7:56 AM

In the 3rd race it appeared that Tomac was faster than Barcia, who appeared to be faster than Dungey, but couldn't find a way past. Early in the race Tomac took the joker lane which I thought was really smart. He didn't lose any positions and it gave him some distance to close back up on the leaders and then when they took the joker lane he would inherit the lead.....without ever having to pass them...........

RC didn't like the move and Emig did.......RC gave a little of his "how many championships you got" attitude to Jeff.....which I think is unprofessional.......and it turned out to be a great strategic move.

When I heard about the Joker Lane I thought it was a hokey idea.......now I think it would be great if all SX races had it.

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10/21/2012 8:01 AM

I think you may have something here. Great move by Tomac.

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10/21/2012 8:08 AM

not enough room for a joker lane at 95% of the venues

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"I think you're pretty slow, everyone else on here knew that for years."

10/21/2012 8:10 AM

IT was cool for sure.....the wild card hanging out there that makes it very dynamic. This sorta stops guys from possibly checking out as much which makes for a boring race.

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10/21/2012 8:16 AM

I thought it was stupid. Even the guy who designed the track couldn't keep up with who was where when a rider went through it. The had to keep going back to try and figure out where a pass was made. There are quite a few SX venues where there is a lot of open floor space that remains. I suggest they widen the tracks a little to allow for more lines and passing. Too many times we hear the complaint "the track was one lined".

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10/21/2012 8:35 AM

I liked it for this type of one off event even though I didn't think I would. I wouldn't want to see it in the SX series though.

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10/21/2012 8:38 AM

Hell no! I want to see a pass, not a 'I took the joker-lane' bs.

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10/21/2012 8:49 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/21/2012 8:51 AM

I thought the 3- ten lap moto format was awesome as well,maybe they could condense it for 2 -12 lap moto for the 2 classes this season,that way if misfortune begat a rider in 1 moto he could redeem it in the second.....food for thought!! 4,3,2,1,blast away..

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10/21/2012 8:57 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/21/2012 8:58 AM

I liked it. I liked that it added a new dimension, just as a pit stop does in auto racing, it leaves that element of "anything can happen" because the rider can screw up the section they ride only once, and it breaks their rhythm.

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10/21/2012 9:03 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/21/2012 2:26 PM

The joker lane plays into the mind of the leader because he can't defend it.
Great for Vegas to play odds. ?
Not safe for every round if the riders are running in a train behind the leader in a pack they would have to signal if they were going to run the joker line, I didn't see any riders last night taking the line signaling to turn.
MEC was a good test, but better camera placement would be needed for all the extra work to make it more dramatic on TV.

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10/21/2012 9:04 AM

This is just a variable that takes a little bit of control away from the best-prepared rider. The guy who gets the best start and rides the best deserves to win, and adding a sideshow stunt to give lesser-prepared riders a second chance to catch up is unwarranted. Supercross is not a game of chance; it is a game of skill. For Vegas, adding a "dice roll" element is fine, but for the official supercross series, no.

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Braaapin' aint easy.

10/21/2012 9:16 AM

Liked it ..... always mixed things up

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10/21/2012 9:20 AM

I liked the Joker Lane and the dual start line.

Well done!!

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10/21/2012 9:59 AM

I agree but I also wish there was a whoop section...

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10/21/2012 10:30 AM

Bet they could build a real tough one at Daytona.

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10/21/2012 10:36 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/21/2012 10:38 AM

I thought it broke the spell, so to speak. The average beer fogged fan has enough trouble following the lead changes without the joker.
It did serve the same function as the pace car in Nascar. The yellow flag/pace car bunches up the field and prevents a kind of boring situation where no one is close enough to challenge the leader.

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10/21/2012 10:36 AM

I liked the joker lane and the dual start, why not mix things up a bit?

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Now don't swig it boy! just a open your craw sows I can pour it right through.

10/21/2012 10:37 AM

ever notice how tracks with shorter or no woop sections have better closer racing????

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10/21/2012 10:50 AM

Regis wrote:

not enough room for a joker lane at 95% of the venues

Right.

I think as a one-time thing during the year, it's interesting. But it does edge more toward the entertainment side rather than the true racing side. Same goes for the split starts.

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10/21/2012 11:40 AM

It was true racing .... everyone had to do it once or get docked 5 positions.

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10/21/2012 12:08 PM

ATKpilot99 wrote:

I liked it for this type of one off event even though I didn't think I would. I wouldn't want to see it in the SX series ...more

Thanks, now I don't have to type this out.

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10/21/2012 12:24 PM

No.

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10/21/2012 12:32 PM

If it attracts more interest, sells tickets, and tv time, then it needs to become a part of racing.
The invention of sx racing in the early 70's was to attract more people to mx because there wasn't enough spectator interest in outdoors racing.

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10/21/2012 1:06 PM

I liked it for a one off race, but not for an entire series, or any race that counts series points. As soon as I said Tomac should take the joker lane this lap, he did. That was a smart move. He was getting caught up behind Barcia so it made perfect sense to catch back up before they took the joker lane, handing him the lead.

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10/21/2012 1:08 PM

I hated it, and it has no place in a series. It was gimmicky and Dungey most likely would have won that last race if it wasn't there, same story for anyone who had even a 5 second lead. Not pure racing. Leave the "pit stops" to the Motorsports that actually need it. Moto, especially Supercross is supposed to be flat out, not slowed down artificially by being required to take one bum section once a race.


That said, seeing it's intent, it worked great for this one-off event. Split start needs to go though. In the second amateur moto, whoever got fender tapped by McElrath's rear wheel when he sailed over the right lane off the start berm must have made his seat a little more slippery.

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10/21/2012 2:15 PM

I liked it . It could be added to one of the supercross rounds, maybe even vegas as the championship is often locked up by then.... and it adds to the excitement as we are probably hanging out for the outdoors to start by the time vegas rolls around.

Could be even better if you had to do the joker lane twice in a 20 lap main.

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10/21/2012 2:16 PM

It was ok, but hearing the announcer going on and on and on about it, stfu already.. we get it.

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10/21/2012 5:04 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/21/2012 5:09 PM

Regis wrote:

not enough room for a joker lane at 95% of the venues

Let's see...

Anaheim-Room
Chase Staduim-Not much room
Dodger Stadium-Room
San Diego-Room
Oakland-Room (Yes, there's room. They don't use the whole floor, there...)
Dallas-Room
Atlanta-Difficult
St. Louis-Dunno
Daytona-Pullllease!
Indy-Room
Toronto-Forget it.
Houston-Room
Minn-Dunno
Seattle-Room
Salt Lake-Maybe
Vegas-Room

So...12-13 of 17 races...NO SWEAT!

Hey, it could happen...and riders would have something to say about it!

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10/21/2012 5:29 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/21/2012 5:33 PM

Regis wrote:

not enough room for a joker lane at 95% of the venues

TeamGreen wrote:

Let's see...

Anaheim-Room
Chase Staduim-Not much room
Dodger Stadium-Room
San Diego-Room
Oakland-Room (Yes, there's room. ...more

I am not sure if you are taking everything into consideration, but I may be wrong.

Take out all the media and sponsor signage and photographer sections (to keep existing lanes the same size) and I might agree with you.

I liked the joker lane. I liked playing strategy and also as a fan trying to figure it out. But if you think feld is going to give up signage and sponsorship product placed on the track for these sections I think we both know the answer to that.


I would hate to see the quality of a track suffer to try to cram in a entertainment section.

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"I think you're pretty slow, everyone else on here knew that for years."

10/21/2012 5:48 PM

I liked it. But it should be a mud hole full of oatmeal,

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