Pull last place guy in mains?

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No...I've never raced Supercross (beginner at best, but a super fan)...

Once upon a time with road racing crit's, they would pull the last place guy after each lap to downsize the field in hopes of giving the front runners as much clean air as possible, for as long as possible.

There was a post on here where it was said Reed semi-blocked Baggett which resulted in the #4 losing time to Marvin.

What if after lap 5, the last place rider on each lap thereafter was pulled from the race (or lap 7 or 10 or whatever...you get my point)?

No sure if this is a solution, or maybe even more of a problem as could potentially slow down the trailing riders as they would be taking each other out not to be eliminated.

Thoughts?

PS- I'm not a sensitive man so feel free to blast at will. No hard feelings here. haha.
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SmokinJoe439 3/20/2019 9:47am
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But what happens if 19th thru 15th crash on the last lap and 20th gets 14th? That's the kind of protest you're going to get. What's the payout difference in purse between 20th n 15th? $100 $200 maybe.
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Boomslang 3/20/2019 9:48am
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Interesting but the guys sacrifice so much to get to where they are at. It would be a sin to remove a rider who could work his way forward towards a better result...dont try fix what ain't broken.
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devindavisphoto 3/20/2019 9:51am
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This has been mentioned over and over again every time a lapper interferes with their favorite riders progress.

Leave it, don't black flag guys for qualifying for an AMA 450 Pro Supercross Main Event. Lappers can always do a better job getting out of the way, but in some cases the leaders come up on them so fast it's hard for them to get out of the way safely every single time. Should we penalize them and black flag them? NO!
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motomike137 3/20/2019 9:55am
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Nope. Lappers have been a fact of life in racing since racing started. It is all part of the game.
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Triple crown races result in less lapped traffic
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tonyd811 3/20/2019 10:01am
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Boomslang wrote:
Interesting but the guys sacrifice so much to get to where they are at. It would be a sin to remove a rider who could work...
Interesting but the guys sacrifice so much to get to where they are at. It would be a sin to remove a rider who could work his way forward towards a better result...dont try fix what ain't broken.
great point. I didn't think that far ahead...
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kb228 3/20/2019 10:05am
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Id hate to work my ass off to get fast enough to make a main and then only get to ride 1/2 of it.
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BroFoSho 3/20/2019 10:07am
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If a factory rider goes down on lap three and need to straighten his bars out to get going, are you going to pull them from the race because they are still 22nd on lap 5?
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dboivin 3/20/2019 10:07am
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kinda intriguing tho. i would love to see them race out of 20th...and outa 19th....in fear they are gonna get pulled.

I've been against many of these concepts...but this one not so bad. specially if you wait til like lap 7 or 8 and start doing it. i wouldn't be against trying it.
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bonseff 3/20/2019 10:12am
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F' that. They earned the gate to finish flag.
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500guy 3/20/2019 10:23am
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Here's an argument

What about the guy's who have stopped racing and are just circulating the track ? I'd have no problem seeing those guy's get hooked off the track.
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Tarz483 3/20/2019 10:25am
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What if guy Running 1st for the first 4 laps Crashes and gets up in last , and is about to begin his march back through the field, nope he now has to pull off he's done for the day because he came around last on the 5th lap
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devindavisphoto 3/20/2019 10:26am
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500guy wrote:
Here's an argument What about the guy's who have stopped racing and are just circulating the track ? I'd have no problem seeing those guy's get...
Here's an argument

What about the guy's who have stopped racing and are just circulating the track ? I'd have no problem seeing those guy's get hooked off the track.
I think it's a fair consideration to have the technology to keep track of a riders average lap time and (excluding a crash) if their lap time falls beyond a certain amount of time behind the leader or even their best lap time, then they get black flagged, then that might be an interesting factor to keep riders pushing until the finish. I still stand by my original point, but I also agree it's ridiculous when riders are just rolling everything 2-3 laps down.
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Tarz483 3/20/2019 10:28am
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Imo if they want less lapping have a two moto Format
A Shorter equals less lappers
And i believe increases amount of winners
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STLSharky 3/20/2019 10:28am
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tonyd811 wrote:
No...I've never raced Supercross (beginner at best, but a super fan)... Once upon a time with road racing crit's, they would pull the last place guy...
No...I've never raced Supercross (beginner at best, but a super fan)...

Once upon a time with road racing crit's, they would pull the last place guy after each lap to downsize the field in hopes of giving the front runners as much clean air as possible, for as long as possible.

There was a post on here where it was said Reed semi-blocked Baggett which resulted in the #4 losing time to Marvin.

What if after lap 5, the last place rider on each lap thereafter was pulled from the race (or lap 7 or 10 or whatever...you get my point)?

No sure if this is a solution, or maybe even more of a problem as could potentially slow down the trailing riders as they would be taking each other out not to be eliminated.

Thoughts?

PS- I'm not a sensitive man so feel free to blast at will. No hard feelings here. haha.
If your lapped you aren't in the race, pull the lappers no matter who they are!
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STLSharky 3/20/2019 10:29am
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Tarz483 wrote:
What if guy Running 1st for the first 4 laps Crashes and gets up in last , and is about to begin his march back through...
What if guy Running 1st for the first 4 laps Crashes and gets up in last , and is about to begin his march back through the field, nope he now has to pull off he's done for the day because he came around last on the 5th lap
Only a rider or so that's lapped can come back from that
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STLSharky 3/20/2019 10:30am
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Tarz483 wrote:
What if guy Running 1st for the first 4 laps Crashes and gets up in last , and is about to begin his march back through...
What if guy Running 1st for the first 4 laps Crashes and gets up in last , and is about to begin his march back through the field, nope he now has to pull off he's done for the day because he came around last on the 5th lap
Lapped not last, last is still (in the race so to speak)
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TeamGreen 3/20/2019 10:39am
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Boomslang wrote:
Interesting but the guys sacrifice so much to get to where they are at. It would be a sin to remove a rider who could work...
Interesting but the guys sacrifice so much to get to where they are at. It would be a sin to remove a rider who could work his way forward towards a better result...dont try fix what ain't broken.
A few months ago I was giving Boomslanger (yes, I took editorial license) a TON of shit! Now, I'm always nodding my head when I read his posts and saying...

"Yup! He's right about that."
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mac3-d 3/20/2019 10:40am
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Solution is to black flag Reed once the leaders get close ! Problem solved
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KirkChandler 3/20/2019 10:41am
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Try it at Monster Cup and see how it works. The guys at the back of the pack may have some more urgency.
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Tarz483 3/20/2019 10:47am
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500guy wrote:
Here's an argument What about the guy's who have stopped racing and are just circulating the track ? I'd have no problem seeing those guy's get...
Here's an argument

What about the guy's who have stopped racing and are just circulating the track ? I'd have no problem seeing those guy's get hooked off the track.
devindavisphoto wrote:
I think it's a fair consideration to have the technology to keep track of a riders average lap time and (excluding a crash) if their lap...
I think it's a fair consideration to have the technology to keep track of a riders average lap time and (excluding a crash) if their lap time falls beyond a certain amount of time behind the leader or even their best lap time, then they get black flagged, then that might be an interesting factor to keep riders pushing until the finish. I still stand by my original point, but I also agree it's ridiculous when riders are just rolling everything 2-3 laps down.
I see your point but if it gets to that than maybe its time for a B Main maybe 15 in A main and 15 in B main that way some more of these guys night isnt over so early also
Because more guys make the Mains
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Andy_Greenney 3/20/2019 10:47am
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Why? If anything they add another factor that makes the racing more interesting. Why would you want to remove another variable from the racing.
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devindavisphoto 3/20/2019 10:49am
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KirkChandler wrote:
Try it at Monster Cup and see how it works. The guys at the back of the pack may have some more urgency.
I'm worried it will result in more takeouts (good for fans, but bad in general) hoping riders will take a while getting up, get black flagged, and lose points.

We don't need that.
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Tarz483 3/20/2019 10:54am
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Whats Wrong with having a B Main ?
I would think guys would Try like Hell to be in the Top 15
If set at 15
And than in B main , give points , so that 1st , now gets what 16th would have gotten,
So top 4 in B main would still get points , that would still be something to shoot for , plus money prizes,
And whenever this comes up the questions is always yeah but where is the money gonna come from?
I believe companies would sponsor it ,
Hire me ill find the sponsors personally!
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mattyhamz2 3/20/2019 10:54am
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What about having a few guys watching the riders at the back of the pack? Guys rolling most jumps and whoops? Get them off the track. If you're not trying, you shouldn't be out there.

Either way, something needs to be done because having a close battle for the lead messed up because of a lapper being in the way ruins racing for us fans.
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ga_pike 3/20/2019 11:09am
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I'm in the if you earned a spot, you get to stay camp.

It wouldn't be hard to convince me to black flag a rider who fails to meet minimum speed or lap time over a set # of laps... get rid of the roll around guys.
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mattyhamz2 3/20/2019 11:18am
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On last weeks PulpMx show , I believe ML brought up that he knew a few racers who's goal was just to make the mains and mentioned something about those guys rolling around once they made it(might have some of that kinda mixed up). If that's the case with some of these guys, then that needs to be addressed! At that point they are basically a moving tough block.
Andy_Greenney 3/20/2019 11:20am
3/20/2019 11:20am
Do you even get ‘roll around guys’?
A lot of the time they are seen rolling stuff is probably trying to stay out the way while the leaders pass
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ReturnofJorddo 3/20/2019 11:20am
3/20/2019 11:20am
Maybe not do it during the regular season, would be more fitting for an off-season race. They do that a lot in MX Simulator, run elims and depending on how many guys there are, after each lap X amount of riders gets eliminated. Would make for some intense racing and could definitely shake things up, but for that reason is doesn't belong in the regular season IMO.
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Falcon 3/20/2019 11:25am
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kb228 wrote:
Id hate to work my ass off to get fast enough to make a main and then only get to ride 1/2 of it.
...or only the first lap.

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