My proposed new SX format

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3/28/2018 6:52 AM
Edited Date/Time: 3/28/2018 4:55 PM

Supercross lites 15 min+1, no east and west, just one division
Supercross 20 min+1
Open class intermission race 125-250 two and four stroke and electric, 10 min+1
Supercross lites 15 min+1
Supercross 20 min+1
Combined 2 moto score wins
Guys who don't make the main classes can run the open class.

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3/28/2018 7:05 AM

Open class would be only 450s in reality. I dont see it working out.

+1 for two moto formats tho.

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3/28/2018 7:17 AM

Makes sense, how about open 125cc- 250cc- electric. Just trying to think of a way to allow 2 strokes and the alta into the program.

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3/28/2018 7:26 AM

I think you could have both an 125-250 class, and an open class for amateurs. Could take place between last practice and night show. 1x10min + 1lap for each class.

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3/28/2018 7:35 AM

250cc "Premier" class 15 Min +1

450cc "Premier" class 20 Min +1

250cc East/West Amateur Class 10 Min +1

250cc "Premier" class 15 Min +1

450cc "Premier" class 20 Min +1

Idk, just an idea, but I too am a fan of the two moto formats.

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3/28/2018 7:37 AM

There aren't enough rides out there now and you want to cut that number in half for the 250s? Not a great plan.

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3/28/2018 7:48 AM

bh84 wrote:

There aren't enough rides out there now and you want to cut that number in half for the 250s? Not a great plan.

Why would rides be cut? All the teams do the nationals.

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3/28/2018 8:03 AM

bh84 wrote:

There aren't enough rides out there now and you want to cut that number in half for the 250s? Not a great plan.

I don’t think SX should be concerned about employment numbers of riders who are not fast enough to be in the main events. The split coast is not a good format for entertainment. There are not enough top riders to fill 80 spots in the night show. Needs some major downsizing and combining the coast would be a start

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3/28/2018 8:12 AM

East coast 125/250 development series. 6 rounds. Keep them as far to the east as possible. Daytona, Atlanta, Foxborough, Tampa, etc.

West coast 125/250 development series. 6 rounds. Keep them as far to the west as possible. Anaheim, Oakland, Glendale, etc.

250 series. 12 rounds. Ensure you spread this out and also ensure you hit the major events (Daytona, A1, great STL dirt, etc.). 4 on each coast and 4 in the middle of the country. Off weekends as necessary to allow for recovery and travel time.

Development series has a maximum age of 22. Strict pointing out rules. Win a championship and you move up immediately. Reach point threshold twice and you move up immediately.

If a rider from the development series wants to race the 250 12 race series on their off weekend, allow them to do so. If a rider wants to skip the development series altogether, allow them to do that too. However, once you reach a certain point threshold in the 12 race series, you can no longer drop back down.

Move practice up three hours to the early AM and start the racing Saturday afternoon in those events where three classes will be racing.

Might need tweaks of course, but this is a good base to start from.

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3/28/2018 8:20 AM

first thing I would do is change the rule to allow 250 2 strokes in the 250 class.....

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"Shifting gears and passing queers" GL

3/28/2018 8:23 AM

SX1 (450cc max any stroke electrics included), SX2 (250cc 4 strokes only), SX3 north, south, east, west (125 2 strokes, 4 races per series 12 minute mains only in night show, all qualifying during the day). 125 combined top 5 each region in Vegas. Factory star like Forkner, Sexton would go straight to SX2 so companies without a 2 stroke wouldn't have to worry about not being there. Short SX3 seasons mean nobody is going to be paid to sandbag the series. You can participate in multiple series unless you are within the top 20 in points in any series.

2 Moto formats are good (better than 3 imo) but I would rather see a mix of formats. Some traditional, some 2 Moto, some 3 Moto, some knockouts.

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3/28/2018 8:58 AM

I was always for the multiple main events but honestly it just bogs down the show. To much dead time. How they run it currently is prob best. It’s dangerous enough as it sits and more high priority races increase the chance for someone pushing and getting hurt. It’s not like outdoors where you just can pin it and muscle around the track for 35 mins. You gotta keep really mentally sharp or you are getting hurt bad. So one all out main event on these tracks is probably best for these guys mentally. I say leave it. It’s about as entertaining as it can be for what it is. Injuries have messed it up more than anything. 450’s are just to much for the tracks. The 250 class almost always seems to produce the best racing year after year. Hell even in outdoors. No matter what guys come and go there is always some good racing in the class. Probably due to the restriction of power. The guys can ride the bike as hard as they want without fear of being bucked.

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3/28/2018 4:52 PM

While we’re dreaming, How do you guys feel about A couple Mxgp/mx shootouts throughout the year. Do it Like the east/west is. Kind of a build up to Mxdn?.....

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"Shifting gears and passing queers" GL

3/28/2018 4:55 PM

JOE_SPROCKETS#1 wrote:

While we’re dreaming, How do you guys feel about A couple Mxgp/mx shootouts throughout the year. Do it Like the east/west is. ...more

Redbud!!!!!!!!!

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3/28/2018 4:58 PM

Everyone still gets seat time and sponsorship viewing in the night program. The slower 250's still make the night program just in an open cc and electric class race.

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3/28/2018 5:07 PM

That is waaaaay too many laps. Besides the last 5 minutes of ME's are pretty terrible from an entertainment perspective.

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3/28/2018 5:24 PM

Actually the standard supercross format with heats, lcq and main events run around 105 to 110 total laps, this format would run around 90 to 95 total laps.

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3/28/2018 5:32 PM

bh84 wrote:

There aren't enough rides out there now and you want to cut that number in half for the 250s? Not a great plan.

KennyT wrote:

I don’t think SX should be concerned about employment numbers of riders who are not fast enough to be in the main events. The ...more

Even the 250 podium guys at Indy think no East West would be better to elevate the class to a real Championship.

"Needs some major downsizing and combining the coast would be a start" This

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3/28/2018 5:48 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/29/2018 5:34 AM

bh84 wrote:

There aren't enough rides out there now and you want to cut that number in half for the 250s? Not a great plan.

The current format puts 22 lites riders in the main event, the proposed format puts 22 riders in the lites main and 22 riders in the open main. So now you have 44 total riders in a lites main event. Plus 22 riders in the supercross class, so thats 66 total riders in a main as opposed to 44 total right now.

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3/29/2018 5:38 AM

So now you have 66 riders with main event air time and 3 more podium opportunities , 2 strokes and the alta experiment along with the current crop of elite riders. The total amount of air time remains the same and exposure increases. Suggest some tweaks.

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3/29/2018 7:24 AM

TEL36 wrote:

250cc "Premier" class 15 Min +1

450cc "Premier" class 20 Min +1

250cc East/West Amateur Class 10 Min +1

250cc "Premier" ...more

Premier literally means "first". You can't have two "Premier" classes. One will always be more prestigious, and the other will always be a lesser title. As long as careers start in 250 and progress to 450, 250 will never be a premier class. It can be a professional class, but it is, and will continue to be, a feeder series. Just like Moto2 (MotoGP), GP2 (F1), and XFinity (NASCAR). All are professional riders/drivers in a feeder series, most of whom will never make the Premier series. There is no shame in making it to the second tier in any sport, but there is no need to pretend that it is just as good as making it to the top.

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3/29/2018 7:37 AM

KennyT wrote:

I don’t think SX should be concerned about employment numbers of riders who are not fast enough to be in the main events. The ...more

There aren't even enough top riders to fill 40 spots in the night show. Splitting the top riders among three classes (450, 250W and 250E), and filling in the rest of the spots with mediocre (compared to the best pros, not compared to the average amateur) riders is a waste.

Put all the best riders in a single class. How exciting would the 450 LCQ be if it was a battle between Reed, Savatgy, Friese, Wilson, Forkner, Mookie and Martin to see who would get the last transfer spot to the main. That race alone would be better than any 250 main currently is.

Look at Anderson's ride from the back in Indy. If you raise the overall talent level in the class, that ride gets much harder. Instead of 4th, he probably would have been looking at just breaking into the top 10.

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3/29/2018 7:54 AM

So if we assume lap times of 1 minute a lap, we now have 77 laps in a given evening of racing. Under the new format, there would be 85 laps. More racing would be a good thing and going from 77 to 85 laps isn't that much of a stretch.
That would be tough on the dirt in cases where the lap times are under 1 minute - track would deteriorate worse than it does now which would lead to more injuries. Overall, it's not a bad idea and format. although I personally like qualifying - which is great we can watch that on Supercross Live on days where it's an east west shootout format.

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3/29/2018 7:54 AM

bh84 wrote:

There aren't enough rides out there now and you want to cut that number in half for the 250s? Not a great plan.

KennyT wrote:

I don’t think SX should be concerned about employment numbers of riders who are not fast enough to be in the main events. The ...more

Frank Tuesday wrote:

There aren't even enough top riders to fill 40 spots in the night show. Splitting the top riders among three classes (450, ...more

I would love to see the top 22 riders at the event on the same gate. Imagine how good the racing would be if you tossed in the top guys from both 250 coast into the 459 program. You wouldn’t see Eli running into lappers by lap 5

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3/30/2018 7:14 AM

I guess since the ALTA has been denied to run the open class at loretta's, there is no way the politics will let it compete at a nationally televised supercross race. Progression denied.

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3/30/2018 9:51 AM

Why not just add an Alta/Electric open class to the format. Can you imagine the crashes that will happen if you run internal combustion bikes on the same track as electric bikes? If you can't hear these guys coming up the inside or jumping beside you, there will be some big wrecks. I don't see that as a viable format.

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3/30/2018 10:05 AM

I like the idea of two motos per class. It is miniature motocross, after all. I don't much care about the filler in between the real races, because I would ignore them.

But here's my counter-proposal for a revised format: Zero Supercross races. Ever again.

Done.

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F1. MotoGP. MXGP. Screw the rest.

3/30/2018 10:08 AM

deluxeman wrote:

Why not just add an Alta/Electric open class to the format. Can you imagine the crashes that will happen if you run internal ...more

You might want to ask Ashley Fiolek her opinion on that. She might have to read your lips though.

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2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart

3/30/2018 10:43 AM

Here's my SX format:

Two motos for 250 and two for 450.

Run the motos OUTSIDE, on a really long, natural terrain supercross track.

Change the name of the series to "The Nationals".

Benefits: Way less injuries, better racing, more fans that understand the sport.

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3/30/2018 12:14 PM

Tbteam wrote:

Here's my SX format:

Two motos for 250 and two for 450.

Run the motos OUTSIDE, on a really long, natural terrain supercross ...more

Genius! Here we have a forward thinker!

Lemme build on your idea: Run the series for six months (March through August) with 18 to 20 events. Ugh! We are visionaries!

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F1. MotoGP. MXGP. Screw the rest.