Proposed New Schedule For SX/Outdoors

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Seems like we could do better. More off weekends and fix the timing of everything to give the guys an actual offseason. Here’s what I would do, one less SX but fix the scheduling... hear me out. My sample schedule is for the 2019-2020 season.

11/16 - MEC (three weeks before A1. Much better timing in my opinion than mid-October.)

SX CHAMPIONSHIP: 16 Rounds
12/7 - Anaheim 1 (W)
12/14 - San Diego (W)
12/21 - Anaheim 2 *Triple Crown* (W)
12/28 - OFF WEEKEND
1/4 - Oakland (W)
1/11 - Phoenix (W)
1/18 - Dallas (E)
1/25 - Minneapolis (E)
2/1 - Atlanta *Triple Crown* (E)
2/8 - Detroit (E)
2/15 - Indianapolis (E/W Shootout)
2/22 - OFF WEEKEND
2/29 - Houston (W)
3/7 - Daytona (E)
3/14 - Nashville *Triple Crown* (E)
3/21 Seattle (W)
3/28 - Boston/NYC (E)
4/4 - Las Vegas *E/W Shootout*

*Four weeks off before outdoors.

OUTDOORS:
5/2 - Round 1
5/9 - Round 2
5/16 - Round 3
5/23 - OFF WEEKEND
5/30 - Round 4
6/6 - Round 5
6/13 - Round 6
6/20 - OFF WEEKEND
6/27 Round 7
7/4 Round 8 (Red Buddddd!)
7/11 - Round 9
7/18 - OFF WEEKEND
7/25 - Round 10
8/1 - Round 11
8/8 - Round 12

8/15 - MXoN. MXoN is usually at the end of September. That’s not gonna fly anymore. There’s an off-weekend in the GP’s mid August most years. They can fit it in there and then take a week off if they choose. The timing of that race sucks for U.S. guys right now, and the top guys don’t wanna go, so why not fix the rest of our schedule and if the Euro’s can’t be flexible with the date then screw it we stop going.

After MXoN, the guys have 3 months before MEC, and almost 4 months before A1. Plenty of time off and the new schedule includes additional breaks during the season and removes a race. The early start means NFL stadiums will be in use, but they can rely on the baseball stadiums (as they already do) early on in the year. There’s Anaheim twice, SD, Oakland, and they already use Phoenix early on every year so must not be an issue there.
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ATKpilot99
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3/29/2019 7:15am
Looks ok but I'd add a few outdoor rounds at the end . Completely disagree with your plan for the MXdN. No one country is bigger than that race.
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3/29/2019 7:21am
You have several NFL stadiums in January during NFL playoffs. That will not work.
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3/29/2019 7:24am
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Looks ok but I'd add a few outdoor rounds at the end . Completely disagree with your plan for the MXdN. No one country is bigger...
Looks ok but I'd add a few outdoor rounds at the end . Completely disagree with your plan for the MXdN. No one country is bigger than that race.
I hear you, I love the MXdN. But the timing isn’t working for us and our best guys don’t want to go because of it. They expect the US guys to take a month off of outdoors, start their SX prep and then drop everything to go to Europe for a race. The GP guys don’t have SX to worry about, so why shouldn’t we see more flexibility on their part?

A decent compromise might be having it the first week of September. They start their series 2 weeks earlier, we add two rounds to ours, and it makes a bit more sense for us at that point for us to go.
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3/29/2019 7:30am Edited Date/Time 3/29/2019 7:34am
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You have several NFL stadiums in January during NFL playoffs. That will not work.
I have three. One of which is Phoenix which has been either round two or four, depending on the year, for awhile now. Houston was round two last year and they made that work. By the third week of January, there’s only two NFL games total. Only two occupied stadiums. A potential solution is to have “flex dates” for those two rounds with a potential conflict, if that team happens to have a home playoff game then those two rounds will flip. Dates could more than likely be finalized by mid December based on standings but I really don’t think the problem is as great as some think it is.
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3/29/2019 9:20am
Someone give me a reason why a 29 round GNC schedule with some MX races in the spring and some SX races in the summer is not possible (besides politics). Get the baseball stadiums out of the way Jan-Mar like we do now, throw some open air stadiums as summer dates (or indoors in the hot states) and move some nationals to spring. Not the whole "gatorback" in the middle of SX thing. A real sprinkling that makes these guys focus equally on both disciplines. NASCAR and Indy would get laughed at if they tried to divide their season in to Superspeedways, Shorttracks and Road Courses.

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3/29/2019 9:36am
731chopper wrote:
You have several NFL stadiums in January during NFL playoffs. That will not work.
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I have three. One of which is Phoenix which has been either round two or four, depending on the year, for awhile now. Houston was round...
I have three. One of which is Phoenix which has been either round two or four, depending on the year, for awhile now. Houston was round two last year and they made that work. By the third week of January, there’s only two NFL games total. Only two occupied stadiums. A potential solution is to have “flex dates” for those two rounds with a potential conflict, if that team happens to have a home playoff game then those two rounds will flip. Dates could more than likely be finalized by mid December based on standings but I really don’t think the problem is as great as some think it is.
i could see this being a nightmare in terms of getting the tracks built, equipment at the stadium ready to build,getting delivered.

i dont think there is anything wrong with the schedule other then SX being a series at all. I wish there was only moto.
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3/29/2019 9:38am
Someone give me a reason why a 29 round GNC schedule with some MX races in the spring and some SX races in the summer is...
Someone give me a reason why a 29 round GNC schedule with some MX races in the spring and some SX races in the summer is not possible (besides politics). Get the baseball stadiums out of the way Jan-Mar like we do now, throw some open air stadiums as summer dates (or indoors in the hot states) and move some nationals to spring. Not the whole "gatorback" in the middle of SX thing. A real sprinkling that makes these guys focus equally on both disciplines. NASCAR and Indy would get laughed at if they tried to divide their season in to Superspeedways, Shorttracks and Road Courses.

Because you're talking about two different owners - Feld & MX Sports. In the US the sport has two girlfriends. It's hard to have them over at the same time.
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3/29/2019 10:56am Edited Date/Time 3/29/2019 11:00am
Someone give me a reason why a 29 round GNC schedule with some MX races in the spring and some SX races in the summer is...
Someone give me a reason why a 29 round GNC schedule with some MX races in the spring and some SX races in the summer is not possible (besides politics). Get the baseball stadiums out of the way Jan-Mar like we do now, throw some open air stadiums as summer dates (or indoors in the hot states) and move some nationals to spring. Not the whole "gatorback" in the middle of SX thing. A real sprinkling that makes these guys focus equally on both disciplines. NASCAR and Indy would get laughed at if they tried to divide their season in to Superspeedways, Shorttracks and Road Courses.

731chopper wrote:
Because you're talking about two different owners - Feld & MX Sports. In the US the sport has two girlfriends. It's hard to have them over...
Because you're talking about two different owners - Feld & MX Sports. In the US the sport has two girlfriends. It's hard to have them over at the same time.
(besides politics) Promoter polygamy would be fantastic. I just want an open relationship.

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3/29/2019 11:48am
It looks pretty on paper, putting into reality is a pipe dream. Seriously though, they could use Anaheim and another Baseball Stadium to start the season earlier which would be a good thing imho. Then they could have some off-weeks and start MX sooner. These are things we could probably control on our side of the pond, although it would take years to modify the dates and get there. Whether MXGP will give a damn and help move MXDN date is a big question mark. In their minds, we need to make our schedule work and quit making excuses. I also think they should start MXGP a little earlier on warm climate countries, but it is what it is.

My take on MXDN is, either we can stop going and see what they do about it, or more appropriately we can be better and quit finding excuses to suck. I realize SX is where the US riders make money, but they are all dirt bike racers and they dont forget how to race MX during the winter.

In the modern era, when there are problems you just need to follow the money.

Root cause of problem, MXDN costs the US teams and riders money, rather than makes them money. We can say they need to be patriotic and represent all we want like the old guys did, but lets face it, this isnt 1986 and life is different. I dont think a rider is un-patriotic because he doesnt want to go. I wont go to Europe for a week for free to do my job against a foreigner, I need to be here making money to maintain my lifestyle and future.

If we really want to bring back the trophy, we need to fund the US team. We need to make it a nice payday to go and compete, and even bigger payday to win. Then we need to make the team pit under the same or adjacent tent and act as a unit. The funding effort needs to be enough that they can go and spend a few weeks there, with there families, call it a summer working vacation.

Remove all the perceived as valid excuses, and put some priority on the event and send our best riders and pay them.

Follow the money.
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3/29/2019 12:16pm
The MXoN has been held around the same time for as long as I can remember. The US schedule used to end around the same time, until recently. Why should the MXoN have to change because we did?
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3/29/2019 12:50pm
OP- Why not take that schedule and start in February? Push everything back a month which would put the nationals ending closer to MXdN? That way it isn't a month or more of extra training for our guys.
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3/29/2019 1:02pm
Why not start the outdoors later? Gives more time between SX and MX to heal, practice, time off, whatever. We don’t need to end the season in the middle of summer.

Move the Monster Cup to a different date or get rid of it.
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3/29/2019 1:18pm
aeffertz wrote:
Why not start the outdoors later? Gives more time between SX and MX to heal, practice, time off, whatever. We don’t need to end the season...
Why not start the outdoors later? Gives more time between SX and MX to heal, practice, time off, whatever. We don’t need to end the season in the middle of summer.

Move the Monster Cup to a different date or get rid of it.
I Agree , Fall is nice Riding weather all over the country
I would guess the Riders would love to Have a some time off in the middle of Summer or im the spring.
3/29/2019 1:20pm
aeffertz wrote:
Why not start the outdoors later? Gives more time between SX and MX to heal, practice, time off, whatever. We don’t need to end the season...
Why not start the outdoors later? Gives more time between SX and MX to heal, practice, time off, whatever. We don’t need to end the season in the middle of summer.

Move the Monster Cup to a different date or get rid of it.
I'm full of unorthodox and unrealistic ideas but... make Monster Cup an in-season non points paying big payout race. Like an All Star race. Maybe a 3 week break with this in the middle. Change venues every year. Make it East/West shootout Triple Crown with Amateur All Stars and Supermini as support classes.

If they ran SX/MX interchangeably all year long our riders would be forced to practice 50/50 in both discipline and their MX setups and racecraft would improve IMO.
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3/29/2019 1:25pm
YouthStream just called and said "We don't give a f*ck about the USA schedule. MXoN will stay wherever we want it to stay".
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DC has said the outdoors needs to be over before college football starts. I personally don't care for nor do I watch college football but it dominates TV time on Saturday during the season.
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731chopper wrote:
DC has said the outdoors needs to be over before college football starts. I personally don't care for nor do I watch college football but it...
DC has said the outdoors needs to be over before college football starts. I personally don't care for nor do I watch college football but it dominates TV time on Saturday during the season.
Ahh that’s right. I knew there was a reason they have our season end so early. Sucks that trying to get more random viewer eyes on our program impacts our entire sport like that.
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I imagine that the people that create the schedule start with a really great set of dates and end up with a few not so great dates. There are so many moving parts to a national schedule that it is extremely difficult to get everybody to agree. I used to schedule a local vintage series here in California and my proposed schedule rarely looked like the final schedule. I can only imagine the headaches involved with a national schedule.
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3/29/2019 7:04pm
731chopper wrote:
DC has said the outdoors needs to be over before college football starts. I personally don't care for nor do I watch college football but it...
DC has said the outdoors needs to be over before college football starts. I personally don't care for nor do I watch college football but it dominates TV time on Saturday during the season.
aeffertz wrote:
Ahh that’s right. I knew there was a reason they have our season end so early. Sucks that trying to get more random viewer eyes on...
Ahh that’s right. I knew there was a reason they have our season end so early. Sucks that trying to get more random viewer eyes on our program impacts our entire sport like that.
There are some channels that dont show College football
I would think that there would be a way around that honestly, but maybe not.... i would rather watch paint dry than watch college Football personally!
3/29/2019 7:29pm
731chopper wrote:
DC has said the outdoors needs to be over before college football starts. I personally don't care for nor do I watch college football but it...
DC has said the outdoors needs to be over before college football starts. I personally don't care for nor do I watch college football but it dominates TV time on Saturday during the season.
aeffertz wrote:
Ahh that’s right. I knew there was a reason they have our season end so early. Sucks that trying to get more random viewer eyes on...
Ahh that’s right. I knew there was a reason they have our season end so early. Sucks that trying to get more random viewer eyes on our program impacts our entire sport like that.
Did the change from the Sunday to Saturday (and condensing the weekend to 1 day) help out attendance (or what ever the driving force behind the change) as hoped with the Nats? What if they did the single day just on Sunday. SX schedule would not need to change. This would eliminate the TV conflict with college football and would allow a few weeks off between SX out MX and would have the outdoors end closer to the GPs. This would tighten up the time between the end of the US series and MXoN.

I am not sure why this would have to affect the M.E. Cup. Rider contracts are usually thru the end of October.

No one grew up watching "On Any Saturday."
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3/30/2019 4:13am
You go from Seattle to boston/NYC and then Las Vegas 3 weeks in a row?

Going to be hard without extra drivers.
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3/30/2019 5:06am Edited Date/Time 3/30/2019 5:07am
Leave the SX schedule alone. Just start the usa national series 1 month later and don't freaking worry about the tv shit. Give the riders a month break to heal/prepare for mx. The MXoN date is not whats fucking the usa riders - usa football/$ from tv deal is fucking the usa riders.
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3/30/2019 7:47am
Quit supercross. Run outdoors March until December. Every other weekend. Roughly 20 rounds.
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4/2/2019 7:57am
731chopper wrote:
DC has said the outdoors needs to be over before college football starts. I personally don't care for nor do I watch college football but it...
DC has said the outdoors needs to be over before college football starts. I personally don't care for nor do I watch college football but it dominates TV time on Saturday during the season.
aeffertz wrote:
Ahh that’s right. I knew there was a reason they have our season end so early. Sucks that trying to get more random viewer eyes on...
Ahh that’s right. I knew there was a reason they have our season end so early. Sucks that trying to get more random viewer eyes on our program impacts our entire sport like that.
Tarz483 wrote:
There are some channels that dont show College football I would think that there would be a way around that honestly, but maybe not.... i would...
There are some channels that dont show College football
I would think that there would be a way around that honestly, but maybe not.... i would rather watch paint dry than watch college Football personally!
With the new NBC App and enough subscribers, it may be possible in the future.

We dont want to compete with College Football because we will get pre-empted like a mofo.

If the NBC app goes bike and they get enough pay per view subs it might happen, otherwise we would need MavTV to step up and pay the freight to cover the entire event and not pre-empt us.
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4/2/2019 8:08am
Used to have back to back nights of SX. A1 and A2 back to back nights would free up another week. Would help keep the costs down also.change Seattle to Boise and move the round the week before the Vegas round to reduce cross country driving time and costs. Don't understand why boston is not the following weekend after Nashville.

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