Pro mx points system is F**ked up

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TRAVO 67 5/3/2018 7:40pm
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What's the point in having 40 riders on the gate if only top 20 get points. A guy can get 21 place every moto beating out 19 OF THE FASTEST GUYS IN THE WORLD and still be tied with the guy that got 39 every weekend at the end of the season. Complete bullshit they need to pay points all the way to 40 so every guy can at least race for points
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TRAVO 67 5/3/2018 7:43pm
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If your in 21 place and a ways off 20th place you should just pull off and save your bike because you are gaining nothing it's just like finishing last
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Tarz483 5/3/2018 7:43pm
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I Agree
And it's Not the only flaw
There are plenty lol
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mwssquad827 5/3/2018 7:44pm
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Participation tropheys for everyone at the end of the year too!!!
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TRAVO 67 5/3/2018 7:56pm
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And maybe it would keep the guys from 30-40 range from just rolling around at the 15 min mark

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zehn 5/3/2018 7:58pm
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Split 25 points between 40 guys?
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TRAVO 67 5/3/2018 8:03pm
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zehn wrote:
Split 25 points between 40 guys?
It wouldn't need to be 25 points it could be 100 for first then go down from there. It's not hard to add with a calculator it wouldn't be to confusing.
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yz133rider 5/3/2018 8:11pm
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Whys there even got to be 40 guys on the gate? The pace drops off insanely after 20 or so anyway.

Look at lap times of top 10 vs 30-40th dont even belong on same track
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-MAVERICK- 5/3/2018 8:19pm
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Points are added up at the end of the year to assign Top 100 numbers so handing out points to all 40 riders won't change much in my opinion.

Sure the lower tiered guys would score points but nowhere near enough to get a Top 100 number. Scoring points just for the sake of scoring points? Useless.

Besides the Top 100 already has a whole bunch of them taken as career numbers from guys finishing in the top 10 in points over the years. It's even worse now that they've been combining the 250 East SX and 250 West SX points with the 250 outdoor points for the past couple of years. Should go back to just the 250 outdoor points since it's a national series and not a regional series.

Want to score points, get faster.

Don't fix what's not broken.
Frank Tuesday 5/3/2018 8:24pm
5/3/2018 8:24pm Edited Date/Time 5/3/2018 8:29pm
I'd be fine if they only paid points to the top 10. Top 20 is more than deep enough. Your reward for 26th place is getting to race in the Nationals. Your motivation to do your best is to see what you are capable of doing. If you need points to force yourself to try hard, you should play video games instead.
Frank Tuesday 5/3/2018 8:29pm
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yz133rider wrote:
Whys there even got to be 40 guys on the gate? The pace drops off insanely after 20 or so anyway. Look at lap times of...
Whys there even got to be 40 guys on the gate? The pace drops off insanely after 20 or so anyway.

Look at lap times of top 10 vs 30-40th dont even belong on same track
They should have a minimum qualifying time based on a percentage of the fastest riders time like 110%. That's 12 seconds on a 2 minute lap. They should pull riders from the race before they go two laps down while they are at it.
temporarily_locked 5/3/2018 8:32pm
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There are guys out there chasing the dream of just QUALIFYING for a pro national. I think it’s cool reguardless of if they get points or not. One of the coolest things about moto is I can go practice at Pala this week and get passed by championship contenders. I think that the access to such a small community is special. If you qualify you get to go race those guys. It’s cool even if their pace is off or they don’t get points. Leave the elitism to other sports.
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Spat24 5/3/2018 8:53pm
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The 40 that make it are bad ass and even 40th position deserves a point. It would be better racing, better for sponsors and better for privateers. It could look like this.

Position Points
1 50
2 46
3 44
4 42
5 40
6 38
7 36
8 34
9 32
10 31
11 30
12 29
13 28
and so on
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yz133rider 5/3/2018 9:09pm
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yz133rider wrote:
Whys there even got to be 40 guys on the gate? The pace drops off insanely after 20 or so anyway. Look at lap times of...
Whys there even got to be 40 guys on the gate? The pace drops off insanely after 20 or so anyway.

Look at lap times of top 10 vs 30-40th dont even belong on same track
Frank Tuesday wrote:
They should have a minimum qualifying time based on a percentage of the fastest riders time like 110%. That's 12 seconds on a 2 minute lap...
They should have a minimum qualifying time based on a percentage of the fastest riders time like 110%. That's 12 seconds on a 2 minute lap. They should pull riders from the race before they go two laps down while they are at it.
I agree with that honestly. If they arent within 10 seconds on a 2 minute lap time they are a hazard and will be lapped several times Esspecially once there lap times drop and they start rollinh around after 15 minutes
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SPYGUY 5/3/2018 9:23pm
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I would imagine it’s to keep the title contenders from losing a ton of points if/when they DNF a moto.

F1 and MotoGP don’t pay points to the entire field either so it’s not as if Pro Motocross is alone in this practice.
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TeamGreen 5/3/2018 9:35pm
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I've seen a rider go from 40th to 1st & it's awesome.

I've compared the 40 versus 20 to 22 over the years when comparing MX to SX: they both work for me. Besides, 40 riders do get a chance in Suprecross.

Btw, I've seen more than a few riders go from "out of the points" to "in to the points" on the last lap of a national...which is also awesome.
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Villo2fan 5/3/2018 9:45pm
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I don’t agree. You think title chases get boring now? Try having a mechanical and then losing 50 points instead of 25 or 49 if he got 1 point for 40th.
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TRAVO 67 wrote:
What's the point in having 40 riders on the gate if only top 20 get points. A guy can get 21 place every moto beating out...
What's the point in having 40 riders on the gate if only top 20 get points. A guy can get 21 place every moto beating out 19 OF THE FASTEST GUYS IN THE WORLD and still be tied with the guy that got 39 every weekend at the end of the season. Complete bullshit they need to pay points all the way to 40 so every guy can at least race for points
Because if you finish 21st you are not beating 19 of the fastest guys on the planet. You are beating guys that are turning in laptimes 29 seconds off the leader and who fade faster than a Walmart T-shirt. There are amateur gates at Loretta’s filled with riders that would smoke places 21-40th. Maybe they don’t deserve points until they gain some speed and endurance
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Ted722 5/3/2018 10:07pm
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A single point earned at a Nationall is impressive. Let’s keep it that way.

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Ain't broke...
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Points are added up at the end of the year to assign Top 100 numbers so handing out points to all 40 riders won't change much...
Points are added up at the end of the year to assign Top 100 numbers so handing out points to all 40 riders won't change much in my opinion.

Sure the lower tiered guys would score points but nowhere near enough to get a Top 100 number. Scoring points just for the sake of scoring points? Useless.

Besides the Top 100 already has a whole bunch of them taken as career numbers from guys finishing in the top 10 in points over the years. It's even worse now that they've been combining the 250 East SX and 250 West SX points with the 250 outdoor points for the past couple of years. Should go back to just the 250 outdoor points since it's a national series and not a regional series.

Want to score points, get faster.

Don't fix what's not broken.
Ding Ding Ding we have a winner.
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Spat24 wrote:
The 40 that make it are bad ass and even 40th position deserves a point. It would be better racing, better for sponsors and better for...
The 40 that make it are bad ass and even 40th position deserves a point. It would be better racing, better for sponsors and better for privateers. It could look like this.

Position Points
1 50
2 46
3 44
4 42
5 40
6 38
7 36
8 34
9 32
10 31
11 30
12 29
13 28
and so on
that system would make DNF's mean even more loss of points on the leaders,
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VET176 5/4/2018 1:25am
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SPYGUY wrote:
I would imagine it’s to keep the title contenders from losing a ton of points if/when they DNF a moto. F1 and MotoGP don’t pay points...
I would imagine it’s to keep the title contenders from losing a ton of points if/when they DNF a moto.

F1 and MotoGP don’t pay points to the entire field either so it’s not as if Pro Motocross is alone in this practice.
As above. The points are structured to avoid championship blow outs.
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Villo2fan wrote:
I don’t agree. You think title chases get boring now? Try having a mechanical and then losing 50 points instead of 25 or 49 if he...
I don’t agree. You think title chases get boring now? Try having a mechanical and then losing 50 points instead of 25 or 49 if he got 1 point for 40th.
so lets just pay points for the top 10, or 5 or just for podiums..?...
if limiting who gets points is good then shirly the above is good?
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VET176 5/4/2018 2:02am
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Villo2fan wrote:
I don’t agree. You think title chases get boring now? Try having a mechanical and then losing 50 points instead of 25 or 49 if he...
I don’t agree. You think title chases get boring now? Try having a mechanical and then losing 50 points instead of 25 or 49 if he got 1 point for 40th.
make1go wrote:
so lets just pay points for the top 10, or 5 or just for podiums..?... if limiting who gets points is good then shirly the above...
so lets just pay points for the top 10, or 5 or just for podiums..?...
if limiting who gets points is good then shirly the above is good?
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JBecker 72 5/4/2018 3:27am
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Ted722 wrote:
A single point earned at a Nationall is impressive. Let’s keep it that way.
Agreed
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downard254 5/4/2018 3:48am
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Why not just go faster and get points. Problem solved. Been this way for years. Now people are bitching about stuff all the time. I guess the newer generations just can’t enjoy things for what they are. Now everyone needs more.
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MX558 5/4/2018 3:55am
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A win should be worth 5 points over second that way if you win you could make up more points on the points leader .
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Johnny Depp 5/4/2018 5:59am
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Olympic system with 1 throwaway would work.

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