Privateer wins another Daytona? Ricky Ryan and Brayton

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A few years in between but what the hell.
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slowgti 3/11/2018 8:28am
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I was thinking that last night. Who wants to argue about Brayton's privateer status?
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jeffro503 3/11/2018 8:29am
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Was kinda thinking the same thing Bobby. I'm not sure , but is Brayton getting factory support? I don't think his bike is as " full factory " as like Kenny and Cole's , but was thinking he was running some factory stuff?

Anyways....yep. Privateer team. So it did remind me a lot of Ricky Ryan's race.
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TeamGreen 3/11/2018 8:29am
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I’ve gotta give Ricky just a little more credit, tho...
He was on a CR250 that he owned/on his own program.
And he’s from Nor-Cal! Laughing
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TeamGreen wrote:
I’ve gotta give Ricky just a little more credit, tho...
He was on a CR250 that he owned/on his own program.
And he’s from Nor-Cal! Laughing
And didn't Ricky have a broken lower leg with some sort of brace contraption jutting through his boot. I'm thinking it was something to that effect. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

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slipdog 3/11/2018 8:41am
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Make all the excuses you want, Brayton ain't no "privateer"
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racin mason 3/11/2018 8:42am
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I think Ryans set up was just a little more "privateer" than Braytons .And besides that Ricky could hardly walk due to a knee injury the day he won Daytona.
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Meister 3/11/2018 8:45am
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Umm.. he's a long ways from being a privateer..
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Which one drove his own box van to the race?
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olds cool 3/11/2018 8:55am
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Let's call it what it is; a privately funded team. Considering the difference in time periods, it's still a hell of an accomplishment. No external factors such as weather or anything else. Straight up and legit.
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BobbyM 3/11/2018 9:06am
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Indymxer wrote:
Which one drove his own box van to the race?
Ricky couldn't drive, they left the phone book at home.
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Timo_2824 3/11/2018 9:10am
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If Brayton counts as a privateer, wouldn't MC count in 98 and 99?
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olds cool wrote:
Let's call it what it is; a privately funded team. Considering the difference in time periods, it's still a hell of an accomplishment. No external factors...
Let's call it what it is; a privately funded team. Considering the difference in time periods, it's still a hell of an accomplishment. No external factors such as weather or anything else. Straight up and legit.
+2. Was thinking the same thing. He is a modern era privateer vs. the privateers from the 70's through 80's in comparison. From memory I started seeing a shift in privateer support in the mid to late 90's. JB10's bike pretty much has obtainable parts except for the suspension components as far as my knowledge goes with his CRF. Impressive win none the less when you factor in he was running with top factory guys.
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305FC250 3/11/2018 10:30am
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If you're getting paid by the team to race then you're not a privateer. If you don't even need your own bike and are provided bikes then you're not a privateer. Someone like Greco is a real privateer.
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TeamGreen 3/11/2018 10:46am
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Indymxer wrote:
Which one drove his own box van to the race?
BobbyM wrote:
Ricky couldn't drive, they left the phone book at home.
Bwahahahahaa

And for others...Ricky had no ACL. He was an early recipient of a Dacron ACL & I’m pretty sure it didn’t work out to well the 1st and 2nd time(s).
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TeamGreen wrote:
I’ve gotta give Ricky just a little more credit, tho...
He was on a CR250 that he owned/on his own program.
And he’s from Nor-Cal! Laughing
downard254 wrote:
And didn't Ricky have a broken lower leg with some sort of brace contraption jutting through his boot. I'm thinking it was something to that effect...
And didn't Ricky have a broken lower leg with some sort of brace contraption jutting through his boot. I'm thinking it was something to that effect. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
I remember the photo in MXA of a nut and bolt coming out of the shin area of his boot which connected the boot to his knee brace to keep his knee from twisting.

Found it in a story on Pulp MX



smashingpumpkins167 3/11/2018 12:56pm
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Back in 1976(?) my dad would get free bikes from a dealer and load them up in his van to get to the races. Ocassionally he would get used factory parts from Yamaha. I guess if he would have won any of those races he would have gotten a big fat asterisk next to his name in the vitalmx record books too. Even though he would have been racing against the best in the world and wasn't on a factory team.
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Meister wrote:
Umm.. he's a long ways from being a privateer..
this is correct..long....way!
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smashingpumpkins167 wrote:
Back in 1976(?) my dad would get free bikes from a dealer and load them up in his van to get to the races. Ocassionally he...
Back in 1976(?) my dad would get free bikes from a dealer and load them up in his van to get to the races. Ocassionally he would get used factory parts from Yamaha. I guess if he would have won any of those races he would have gotten a big fat asterisk next to his name in the vitalmx record books too. Even though he would have been racing against the best in the world and wasn't on a factory team.
No one is trying to give him an asterisk, it's just a bit of a stretch to say Brayton is a privateer. He gets free bikes/parts, a salary, bonus program, flies to the races and has a team to work on his bikes. I'm not trying to take anything away from him at all, it'd be an incredible win even if he did it on a HRC Honda, but saying he's a privateer is using the term pretty loosely in my opinion.

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Fat Fingers 3/11/2018 2:20pm
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Dean Wilson was privateer last year. Brayton is on a private but well funded team and I’m sure had some factory support - not exactly privateer. That’s nothing to take away from Braytons win as I think it’s one of the most remarkable wins of all time.
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slowgti wrote:
I was thinking that last night. Who wants to argue about Brayton's privateer status?
For what it is worth, I don't believe Mike Genova or Tony Alessi would like that title. Race Tech has long supported the privateers of the sport and was (and continues to) run a #PrivateerProven campaign. Mike and Tony asked for their team/riders not to be included in that group with our marketing plan because they are a well funded team with a well paid staff on great equipment.

I'm fairly certain in past seasons when they had the Privateer of the Year award, they'd likely be eligible for that though.
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#76 3/11/2018 3:17pm
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Who was this Ricky Ryan?, anyone have a link to have a read up on him please?.
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#76 wrote:
Who was this Ricky Ryan?, anyone have a link to have a read up on him please?.
He won the Daytona SX as a privateer in 80s. Steve Matthes did a podcast with him about a year ago.

http://racerxonline.com/2017/02/09/fly-racing-racer-x-podcast-ricky-ryan

If you're looking for something to read maybe try this but it might not give you what you want.

http://racerxonline.com/2010/10/01/where-are-they-now-rick-ryan
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Rick Ryan's best career number? 10, earned in 1987.

Below on a Honda with his number 10, Fly too (don't think the same FLY as Justin). Pretty cool.

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Drtbykr 3/11/2018 5:53pm
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I’m old man, remember them both, lol.

The JB story is great, Ryan’s was a lightning strike.
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Rick Ryan was, and is, a badass. Also a pretty good guy.
Matthes podcast with him is one of my favorites, he talks about that day. Worth listening.
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#76 wrote:
Who was this Ricky Ryan?, anyone have a link to have a read up on him please?.
jorgechavez wrote:
He won the Daytona SX as a privateer in 80s. Steve Matthes did a podcast with him about a year ago. http://racerxonline.com/2017/02/09/fly-racing-racer-x-podcast-ricky-ryan If you're looking for...
He won the Daytona SX as a privateer in 80s. Steve Matthes did a podcast with him about a year ago.

http://racerxonline.com/2017/02/09/fly-racing-racer-x-podcast-ricky-ryan

If you're looking for something to read maybe try this but it might not give you what you want.

http://racerxonline.com/2010/10/01/where-are-they-now-rick-ryan
Thank you very much!.
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downard254 wrote:
And didn't Ricky have a broken lower leg with some sort of brace contraption jutting through his boot. I'm thinking it was something to that effect...
And didn't Ricky have a broken lower leg with some sort of brace contraption jutting through his boot. I'm thinking it was something to that effect. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
I thought iit was a knee injury IIRC. I could swear there was mention of him pretty much collapsing after the race.
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Timo_2824 wrote:
If Brayton counts as a privateer, wouldn't MC count in 98 and 99?
MC had a full on Ron factory Yamaha and was an offshoot of the factory team.

In my opinion Brayton is a modern day privateer-ish his bike may have factory Showa suspension that nobody on the factory team are running bec theyre on KYB and theres a LOT more non factory riders with Factory or close to factory A-Kit suspension even if its a year old like Josh Hansen and Braytons engines are built by outside companies with a stock transmission, no factory clamps or chassis parts or ECU so he may be on the leven equivalent of a Great Western Bank type team only he has factory suspension but i believe i believe the GWB Team were considered privateers at the time

In my eyes Brayton is in the top echelon of privateer only hes not on the island
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oldblood wrote:
Rick Ryan was, and is, a badass. Also a pretty good guy. Matthes podcast with him is one of my favorites, he talks about that day...
Rick Ryan was, and is, a badass. Also a pretty good guy.
Matthes podcast with him is one of my favorites, he talks about that day. Worth listening.
And the fact that has no idea nor does he care where his Daytona trophy is

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