Post-Race with Marvin

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Edited Date/Time 3/24/2019 4:14pm
During the press conference, we didn't know what (or if) the penalty would be for Marvin jumping on the red cross flag. But Marvin knew he did it, and like everyone else, was waiting to hear what the penalty would be. You can check out the video where he talks about it here.

https://www.vitalmx.com/videos/features/Marvin-Musquin-I-did-slow-down-…

Of course, we now know that he got penalized according to the 2019 Supercross rule book. You can get your own here. http://www.amasupercross.com/rules/pdf/2019/2019%20AMA%20Supercross%20R…



I'm not sure why people are so angry. This is consistent with the penalty that Jeremy Martin got last year. Yes, it's different than when Dungey got penalized for the same thing, but the rule was also changed after he lost the win in Detroit, to avoid this type of issue. RC can be angry about it. But he can also be wrong.

I think one of the reasons why it took a bit for a decision, was that there were multiple incidents to look over. Some of them (like Savatgy) were determined that he jumped after the incident.
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3/24/2019 8:16am
Crickets?
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3/24/2019 8:21am
Oh, they're just angry cause that's what they do. They talk shit on supercross, the broadcast package, the broadcast announcers, the officiating, then start over with the nationals.
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3/24/2019 8:21am
Posted this in another thread but would like to here your opinion.

What about the riders that took off on the jump face where the downed riders were? They gonna get docked points too? Or is being committed to doubling before you’re clear of the down riders considered good enough because you’ve rolled the previous jumps?
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3/24/2019 8:24am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2019 8:42am
Cheaters that break a rule shouldn’t be credited with a win and a bonus. Pretty simple.
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3/24/2019 8:26am
I don't like that Kenny didn't get a shot at making a pass for the win since he was right on Marvin, but I'm ok with the penalty because other than win bonuses Marvin lost more points than if Kenny would have taken the win from him at the end of the race.
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3/24/2019 8:27am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2019 8:29am
gnarwhip wrote:
Cheaters that break a rule shouldn’t be credited with a win and a bonus. Pretty simple.
Cat 'o nine tails?

Marv made no bones about the mistake. But let's think about this for a second. At this point in the season, do you think he'd rather have the bonus? Or those points back? I'm guessing it's the latter.
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People are so bitchy about it because it’s Marvin/on a ktm.
7 points is a big deal, he got a fair (big) penalty.
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After this ruling, where is the incentive to roll? Heck, riders may feel forced to jump on a red Cross flag now... I mean, K Roc lost the race last night because he chose to single a red Cross flag...

True racers want to win, not finish second, and if it takes jumping on a red flag, u know damn well there are a bunch of dudes out there that will do it.... now it looks like they have to if they want to keep up....

Ugly......
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3/24/2019 8:32am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2019 8:33am
731chopper wrote:
The rule in the rulebook is the problem.
Which scenario would you rather see? A deal like Dungey's, where he loses the win, and we find out about it after the race? Or Marvin's? Where he keeps the win, but loses points?

This also isn't the first time that rule has been applied. I don't remember people being so angry last time, which makes me wonder why.
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seth505 wrote:
People are so bitchy about it because it’s Marvin/on a ktm.
7 points is a big deal, he got a fair (big) penalty.
The only thing I think is wrong is the points awarded overall should be the same, not only should he lose the points the field should gain them,

Also if you break the rules and get penalized you did not win, that is just crazy.
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3/24/2019 8:37am
What if a rider who doesn’t care about points and only rides for bonuses sees the Red Cross flag next weekend, and says “F it” and makes a pass for the lead and goes “Yew I just won another $100k!” Rule needs to be changed to loss of position.
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GuyB wrote:
Which scenario would you rather see? A deal like Dungey's, where he loses the win, and we find out about it after the race? Or Marvin's...
Which scenario would you rather see? A deal like Dungey's, where he loses the win, and we find out about it after the race? Or Marvin's? Where he keeps the win, but loses points?

This also isn't the first time that rule has been applied. I don't remember people being so angry last time, which makes me wonder why.
I’d rather see him lose the win. Kenny should have that win. The rule is ridiculous. Joey Savatgy, Cole Seely and other potential race winners out of the championship fight can now completely disregard Red Cross flags if they’re leading the race because points mean absolutely nothing to them.
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3/24/2019 8:38am
When does the monster energy sponsorship of supercross run out/up for negotiations?
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3/24/2019 8:38am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2019 8:41am
731chopper wrote:
The rule in the rulebook is the problem.
GuyB wrote:
Which scenario would you rather see? A deal like Dungey's, where he loses the win, and we find out about it after the race? Or Marvin's...
Which scenario would you rather see? A deal like Dungey's, where he loses the win, and we find out about it after the race? Or Marvin's? Where he keeps the win, but loses points?

This also isn't the first time that rule has been applied. I don't remember people being so angry last time, which makes me wonder why.
Do you really wonder why?
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3/24/2019 8:38am
Bummer for Marvin. He’s riding really well and now to be popped for this sucks some wind out of his sail. Hope he can regroup and bring the points closer.

These incidents will always bring forward the drama queens. The same 5 or so come out every week with their spin on how unfair life is. It’s boring as hell.
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Mad because of
1) ignorance of the rules and thinking penalty was arbitrary by AMA
2) don’t like the rule because it was too easy or too harsh
3) my guy didn’t benefit enough
So the usual.

I would have like the penalty to have been more swift and on TV / NBC Gold. Since it directly followed the rules and they had almost the whole race to decide that would seem doable.
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3/24/2019 8:43am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2019 8:46am
The rule was changed to this in 2017 and has been applied this way since then. Why would riders suddenly start exploiting it now?
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3/24/2019 8:46am
And for everyone saying it cost Roczen the win, check out the leader gap times for the race. He fell back 2.5 seconds after the incident. Then on lap 10 he was .7 seconds behind Marvin. Then Marvin pulled away. Ken caught him but couldn’t make the pass.
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3/24/2019 8:47am
The guy making the calls is the ringleader of a circus. Plain and simple. He can make a call in 2 seconds penalizing a rider re entering the track, but they end the broadcast with no decision when it’s pretty easy to see!
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3/24/2019 8:51am
GuyB wrote:
Which scenario would you rather see? A deal like Dungey's, where he loses the win, and we find out about it after the race? Or Marvin's...
Which scenario would you rather see? A deal like Dungey's, where he loses the win, and we find out about it after the race? Or Marvin's? Where he keeps the win, but loses points?

This also isn't the first time that rule has been applied. I don't remember people being so angry last time, which makes me wonder why.
Obviously it depends on the rider here at VitalBlinkLaughing
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tlw109 wrote:
And for everyone saying it cost Roczen the win, check out the leader gap times for the race. He fell back 2.5 seconds after the incident...
And for everyone saying it cost Roczen the win, check out the leader gap times for the race. He fell back 2.5 seconds after the incident. Then on lap 10 he was .7 seconds behind Marvin. Then Marvin pulled away. Ken caught him but couldn’t make the pass.
Marvin pulled away more than .7 seconds while jumping through the Red Cross flags so by that math he’d have taken the lead on lap 10.
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3/24/2019 8:54am
I don't have any issue here. Rule broken, penalty per the rulebook applied. What's the big deal really.

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GuyB wrote:
Which scenario would you rather see? A deal like Dungey's, where he loses the win, and we find out about it after the race? Or Marvin's...
Which scenario would you rather see? A deal like Dungey's, where he loses the win, and we find out about it after the race? Or Marvin's? Where he keeps the win, but loses points?

This also isn't the first time that rule has been applied. I don't remember people being so angry last time, which makes me wonder why.
731chopper wrote:
I’d rather see him lose the win. Kenny should have that win. The rule is ridiculous. Joey Savatgy, Cole Seely and other potential race winners out...
I’d rather see him lose the win. Kenny should have that win. The rule is ridiculous. Joey Savatgy, Cole Seely and other potential race winners out of the championship fight can now completely disregard Red Cross flags if they’re leading the race because points mean absolutely nothing to them.
Exactly! 7 points and the purse is nothing to a guy trying to get his first win. If you’re not in the title hunt, why care about the loss of points and purse. You could say you won a main and none of the “penalties” would mean shit to you.
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downard254 wrote:
I don't have any issue here. Rule broken, penalty per the rulebook applied. What's the big deal really.

Seems pretty simple doesn’t it?
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GuyB wrote:
Crickets?
No where in the rules does it say that the rider would retain his finishing position!
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3/24/2019 9:01am
I think the penalty is ok.

Roczen didn’t lose the race right there. He never had the speed Marvin had all race. So the win doesn’t bother me too much. Also I think Roczen is enough of a man the he doesn’t want to win one that way.
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deluxeman wrote:
I think the penalty is ok. Roczen didn’t lose the race right there. He never had the speed Marvin had all race. So the win doesn’t...
I think the penalty is ok.

Roczen didn’t lose the race right there. He never had the speed Marvin had all race. So the win doesn’t bother me too much. Also I think Roczen is enough of a man the he doesn’t want to win one that way.
His best lap time during the race was quicker than Marvs...
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3/24/2019 9:08am
tlw109 wrote:
The rule was changed to this in 2017 and has been applied this way since then. Why would riders suddenly start exploiting it now?
Yeah, that’s a great mentality to have.
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