Pirelli Dominates AMA Pro Motocross at Ironman National

They make real good tires, I honestly don't understand the Dunlop love. I hate Dunlop tires, bike and car.

I tried the Pirelli front MX32 and loved it. It wore out and I had a new Dunlop 3S front won at our banquet that I put on. I liked the Pirelli better. Dunlop is developing a new MX33 that may be more durable and still have good hookup.

Credit where credit is due. Nice 1st post. Now STFU noob

Are they GP guys running the regular MX32 or the MX32 FIM Pro? Anyone tried both that can objectively compare the two? I love the MX32 just wish they didn't get shredded so quickly on hardpack.

For me, the Pro is more of an "Everywhere" tire and the MX32 is a soft to mid-soft tire. HOWEVER, I've run it at Milestone when it's dry and crusty...& it works pretty damn good under those circumstances, too.

colintrax wrote:

They make real good tires, I honestly don't understand the Dunlop love. I hate Dunlop tires, bike and car.

You must not ride competitive motocross to make a comment like that. Their MX3S is the current #1 best MX tire and has been for a couple years.

TeamGreen wrote:

For me, the Pro is more of an "Everywhere" tire and the MX32 is a soft to mid-soft tire. HOWEVER, I've run it at Milestone when it's dry and crusty...& it works pretty damn good under those circumstances, too.

Thanks, will give them a try next time. Do they to hold up any better or worse than the 32? the problem I've had with the 32 is side knobs tearing off prematurely.

colintrax wrote:

They make real good tires, I honestly don't understand the Dunlop love. I hate Dunlop tires, bike and car.

twotwosix wrote:

You must not ride competitive motocross to make a comment like that. Their MX3S is the current #1 best MX tire and has been for a couple years.

Tell that to Herlings

Are you some kind of brand ambassador or something? Why is it so important?

I think the Dunlop MX3S is by far Dunlops best tire and I think the Pirelli MX32 is even better. Plus the Pirelli doesn't have the tendency to shed its side knobs like the Dunlop. .....and as a bonus the Pirelli mounts slightly easier.

I love my Dunlops. MX3S on the front and MX11 on the rear. They will last a whole season in the Dutch sand

colintrax wrote:

They make real good tires, I honestly don't understand the Dunlop love. I hate Dunlop tires, bike and car.

twotwosix wrote:

You must not ride competitive motocross to make a comment like that. Their MX3S is the current #1 best MX tire and has been for a couple years.

VxeR wrote:

Tell that to Herlings

Yeah and then go tell Villopoto, Dungey and Roczen how much better a Pirelli would have made them lol

I'm sure they both make great tires.

A tire didn't dominate the Ironman national; Jeffrey Herlings did.

Jeffrey would like to thank all his sponsors, since they all deserve credit for the win last week. He couldn't have done it without them.

I'm still trying to find out whose sprocket bolts he is running?

http://www.jeffreyherlings.eu/en/sponsors/

Johnny Depp wrote:

Jeffrey would like to thank all his sponsors, since they all deserve credit for the win last week. He couldn't have done it without them.

I'm still trying to find out whose sprocket bolts he is running?

http://www.jeffreyherlings.eu/en/sponsors/

Herlings would have killed most all the field on a worn out dual sport tire.

If you read the article, you will see that on the rear he ran the mud tire 1st moto and the mid-soft 2nd moto.

I'm just curious how many Dunlop rider's used 2 different ones? This is MotoGP type of stuff.

Johnny Depp wrote:

If you read the article, you will see that on the rear he ran the mud tire 1st moto and the mid-soft 2nd moto.

I'm just curious how many Dunlop rider's used 2 different ones? This is MotoGP type of stuff.

And he killed everyone with either choice.

Dirty Points wrote:

A tire didn't dominate the Ironman national; Jeffrey Herlings did.

Herlings could win on a slick...imho...factory riders can ride whatever they want and all ride Dunlop...says enough for me!!

Johnny Depp wrote:

If you read the article, you will see that on the rear he ran the mud tire 1st moto and the mid-soft 2nd moto.

I'm just curious how many Dunlop rider's used 2 different ones? This is MotoGP type of stuff.

MotoGP type stuff...plenty of riders swap tires between practice and race sessions...it's not a "rare" sighting...

Dirty Points wrote:

A tire didn't dominate the Ironman national; Jeffrey Herlings did.

Coyote wrote:

Herlings could win on a slick...imho...factory riders can ride whatever they want and all ride Dunlop...says enough for me!!

Factory riders can ride whatever they want?

colintrax wrote:

They make real good tires, I honestly don't understand the Dunlop love. I hate Dunlop tires, bike and car.

twotwosix wrote:

You must not ride competitive motocross to make a comment like that. Their MX3S is the current #1 best MX tire and has been for a couple years.

Not even close. The mx3s is pathetic. The only reason the pros use them is because they are free.

VxeR wrote:

Tell that to Herlings

Comparing works tire brands is pointless.

Also, Herlings has been my favorite rider since I met him and watched him ride in person at Charlotte.

colintrax wrote:

They make real good tires, I honestly don't understand the Dunlop love. I hate Dunlop tires, bike and car.

twotwosix wrote:

You must not ride competitive motocross to make a comment like that. Their MX3S is the current #1 best MX tire and has been for a couple years.

BobPA wrote:

Not even close. The mx3s is pathetic. The only reason the pros use them is because they are free.

Not being mean or arguementative here, but that is an ignorant post man. I'm not sure if you ride motocross at a decent level on a modern four stroke currently, but that simply isn't true.

twotwosix wrote:

You must not ride competitive motocross to make a comment like that. Their MX3S is the current #1 best MX tire and has been for a couple years.

BobPA wrote:

Not even close. The mx3s is pathetic. The only reason the pros use them is because they are free.

twotwosix wrote:

Not being mean or arguementative here, but that is an ignorant post man. I'm not sure if you ride motocross at a decent level on a modern four stroke currently, but that simply isn't true.

My 2017 KTM 450 came with them, I had them on my previous 350. They are good when they are new, but what descent tires aren't? They wear quickly, and the front outer knobs chunk off in record time. I have two other friends with new KTM's and they hate their Dunlops more than me. 15 hours on my front and all the knobs were ripped off. For a premium tire with a premium price, there are much better options out there. No one that I ride with will buy Dunlops....The dudes who pay for their tires run Michelins, Pirellis, Kendas, or Shinkos (woods guys).

Try the Starcross 5, and you will see how a good tire performs and wears.

Johnny Depp wrote:

If you read the article, you will see that on the rear he ran the mud tire 1st moto and the mid-soft 2nd moto.

I'm just curious how many Dunlop rider's used 2 different ones? This is MotoGP type of stuff.

Almost every pro has ran the Dunlop 'paddle' during practice and switched to the '3S/MidSoft' works tire for a moto this summer. Very commonplace. I sat through a demo from Glover in the Dunlop rig during an SX round earlier this year and he explained how they go through the processes of their tire program. It's very neat. The teams have a lot of options at their disposal preseason to test, if they choose. Clark Stiles and the crew down there are always pushing the envelope for american motocross.

Also, I can't wait for Michelin or Bridgestone to put forth another race effort...

BobPA wrote:

My 2017 KTM 450 came with them, I had them on my previous 350. They are good when they are new, but what descent tires aren't? They wear quickly, and the front outer knobs chunk off in record time. I have two other friends with new KTM's and they hate their Dunlops more than me. 15 hours on my front and all the knobs were ripped off. For a premium tire with a premium price, there are much better options out there. No one that I ride with will buy Dunlops....The dudes who pay for their tires run Michelins, Pirellis, Kendas, or Shinkos (woods guys).

Try the Starcross 5, and you will see how a good tire performs and wears.

I see your point of view. But if we are talking performance, the 3S is #1. Especially as a front tire. I have ridden on Starcross 5 mids. They were very good, but the 3S front still wins for me. Get too far into mud or blue groove and there may be better choices, but if I'm lining up for an import race on average dirt, I'm wanting a 3S front.

Two other points, you are dead on that they wear out too fast. They also chunk if you start dropping psi. It sucks, but it comes with the territory.

Also, your 2017 KTM 450 is the best handling, best balanced bike on the track. You could run cycle gear tires on that thing and probably still be okay.

twotwosix wrote:

Not being mean or arguementative here, but that is an ignorant post man. I'm not sure if you ride motocross at a decent level on a modern four stroke currently, but that simply isn't true.

BobPA wrote:

My 2017 KTM 450 came with them, I had them on my previous 350. They are good when they are new, but what descent tires aren't? They wear quickly, and the front outer knobs chunk off in record time. I have two other friends with new KTM's and they hate their Dunlops more than me. 15 hours on my front and all the knobs were ripped off. For a premium tire with a premium price, there are much better options out there. No one that I ride with will buy Dunlops....The dudes who pay for their tires run Michelins, Pirellis, Kendas, or Shinkos (woods guys).

Try the Starcross 5, and you will see how a good tire performs and wears.

twotwosix wrote:

I see your point of view. But if we are talking performance, the 3S is #1. Especially as a front tire. I have ridden on Starcross 5 mids. They were very good, but the 3S front still wins for me. Get too far into mud or blue groove and there may be better choices, but if I'm lining up for an import race on average dirt, I'm wanting a 3S front.

Two other points, you are dead on that they wear out too fast. They also chunk if you start dropping psi. It sucks, but it comes with the territory.

Also, your 2017 KTM 450 is the best handling, best balanced bike on the track. You could run cycle gear tires on that thing and probably still be okay.

They hook well when new, no arguments there. I, along with my riding bros, were all very disappointed in how poorly they wore. And it seems their performance really drops off when the square edge goes away.

I was told to run 13.5 PSI by the Dunlop guy ( I mentioned the knob chunking and he said more PSI helped). Had at least 13.5 PSI from new, only got about 15 hours on the tire and it was lacking a bunch of side knobs. I have 20 some hours on the rear and it is on its last leg...but that is really not too bad for a rear.

BobPA wrote:

My 2017 KTM 450 came with them, I had them on my previous 350. They are good when they are new, but what descent tires aren't? They wear quickly, and the front outer knobs chunk off in record time. I have two other friends with new KTM's and they hate their Dunlops more than me. 15 hours on my front and all the knobs were ripped off. For a premium tire with a premium price, there are much better options out there. No one that I ride with will buy Dunlops....The dudes who pay for their tires run Michelins, Pirellis, Kendas, or Shinkos (woods guys).

Try the Starcross 5, and you will see how a good tire performs and wears.

Bottom line is tires will always be a personal preference, but I gotta agree on the Starcross 5s. I don't care what tire is on the back, but the front is important to me, and the stock Dunlop that came on my YZ-250 was the first tire I've ever taken off before it was worn. Put on the Starcross and off I went, been running them ever since. But, like I said, to claim one tire is "better" is kind of a tough claim to make, way to many variable in riding style, bike setup, terrain type, speed, etc to say one is better for everyone.

Now, claiming tires are what made Herlings so dominant, that's a whole other level of rediculous.

BobPA wrote:

They hook well when new, no arguments there. I, along with my riding bros, were all very disappointed in how poorly they wore. And it seems their performance really drops off when the square edge goes away.

I was told to run 13.5 PSI by the Dunlop guy ( I mentioned the knob chunking and he said more PSI helped). Had at least 13.5 PSI from new, only got about 15 hours on the tire and it was lacking a bunch of side knobs. I have 20 some hours on the rear and it is on its last leg...but that is really not too bad for a rear.

They're not made for hard surfaces. I've got 20 hours on my MX3S front and all the knobbies still look sharp as a knife.