Penalized Riders and inconsistant penalties

mikewainman wrote:

I'm curious how penalties and fines are determined. Craig destroys Martin and Martin is out for minimum 2 races. Reed holds up a rider for approx...

I'm curious how penalties and fines are determined. Craig destroys Martin and Martin is out for minimum 2 races. Reed holds up a rider for approx. 8 seconds and was given a more severe penalty. Would Craig have been given more if Martin was in a championship hunt? I'm sure there is more examples.

yzf842 wrote:

Or because dungey is the golden pony boy who's supposed to retire as the champ. Fuck Ralph Shaheen is going to be so annoying this week

MxKing809 wrote:

1) Has the guy partied in Temecula?

2) Is he into wife swapping in the pits?

3) Are his sprocket bolts tight?

ACBraap wrote:

Also the difference between penalizing Dungey by relegating his position for the red cross flag violation, which was a split second transgression with a flag barely...

Also the difference between penalizing Dungey by relegating his position for the red cross flag violation, which was a split second transgression with a flag barely visible vs Reed's multiple viewings of the Official BluCru flag over a nearly 3 minute period.

At least the inconsistency is consistent.

This is an area that really needs to be improved IMO. Professional officiating should mean consistent disciplinary actions.

dkg wrote:

Agreed. I raised some of the issues I see with officiating in another thread, however, I think because that thread was in the process of going...

Agreed. I raised some of the issues I see with officiating in another thread, however, I think because that thread was in the process of going off the rails any real discussion didn't occur. These are:

Under the present method, I don't believe the race director has the capacity to observe and enforce the rules. Frankly, no one person would have that ability. Lets just take the Reed situation, (I am giving the benefit of the doubt here) perhaps he sees ignoring the flags on one part of the track, his attention is then drawn to another part of the track, later he sees Reed again in front of Dunge, well there are many circumstances that can lead to that occurring, and, unless he monitors Reed and Dunge continuously, he might not even interpret events as a violation or he might see it as a minor infraction simply because he isn't able to follow everything at once.

Also, the Race Director because of all the other duties has much more involvement with the teams, riders, etc. This Involvement can and probably does lead to inconsistent application. For instance, one particular rider could behave like an ass earlier in the day and then have a violation. Another rider could have behaved much better in the day prior to a violation. Although both violations are the same, the reaction of any one individual will be a tendency to treat the two individuals differently.

I think the enforcement of rules and race monitoring should be spread amongst multiple observers and those observers should be isolated from other aspects of managing the event or teams that could influence enforcement.