Osborne Bike Issue and the “Rule”

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TeamGreen 8/23/2020 11:01am
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MPJC wrote:
The idea that officials should never exercise discretion in the application of rules is absurd. That’s typically obvious and it’s bizarre that it escapes some in...
The idea that officials should never exercise discretion in the application of rules is absurd. That’s typically obvious and it’s bizarre that it escapes some in this thread. Take the speeding example: If a cop pulls you over for speeding and it’s because you’re rushing someone to the hospital, they may not give you a ticket. They might give you a police escort. Of course nobody’s life was at stake In Osbourne’s situation but the point is that atypical situations are proper occasions for discretion. Take a moment to imagine a world where discretion was never exercised - where all rules and laws were followed to the letter, regardless of circumstances. I’m pretty sure none of us would want to live in that world.
Excellent Example!

Had a Moto-LEO pull up along-side me as I'm doing 90+ on the freeway with a passenger who's obvioulsy "not well" in the passengers-seat...my wife...bleeding severely from sinus surgery..sutures failed...

He blew on up ahead of me and cleared the signals at the off-ramp to Good Samaritan Hospital in Los Gatos, Ca. Then he joined us in the Emergancy check-in to make sure we got "expedited service".
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lostboy819 8/23/2020 11:07am
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Bullshit, we always help people who have bike problems, no matter who they are or what their number... Because of the weather Osborne lost 2 of...
Bullshit, we always help people who have bike problems, no matter who they are or what their number... Because of the weather Osborne lost 2 of his 3 chances to get a lap in. He never started the first group practice, and we allowed him to be part of the second group practice. We would have done it for anyone, given that we took away two of their chances to have a second chance.

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Zycki11 wrote:
Then it’s settled. 👍🏻
It was settled before you started this whole stupid thread. Blush
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lostboy819 wrote:
It was settled before you started this whole stupid thread. Blush
Go eat a snickers Karen. This entire message board is for that exact reason. The mere fact that you had to go through and quote me cracks me up. Grinning
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Just think of the moto rule book as guidelines . Things always make sense when you do that . Been that way forever .
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lostboy819 wrote:
It was settled before you started this whole stupid thread. Blush
Zycki11 wrote:
Go eat a snickers Karen. This entire message board is for that exact reason. The mere fact that you had to go through and quote me...
Go eat a snickers Karen. This entire message board is for that exact reason. The mere fact that you had to go through and quote me cracks me up. Grinning
You got 47 thumbs down and you still cant figure out you were wrong. Laughing

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You got 47 thumbs down and you still cant figure out you were wrong. :laugh: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/08/23/445268/s1200_download.jpg[/img]
You got 47 thumbs down and you still cant figure out you were wrong. Laughing

Yes, I count thumbs down like I count my friends. See above when I replied after DC.
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A privateer 3 digit rider, who's bike wasn't running for the B Group practice would NO WAY get to ride the A Group session. I think...
A privateer 3 digit rider, who's bike wasn't running for the B Group practice would NO WAY get to ride the A Group session. I think they should always have a LCQ race, regardless of the track conditions. Osborne SHOULD be watching the races today.

Typical AMA, MX Sports Bullshit "Make up the rules as you go along !!!!!"
aeffertz wrote:
How exactly do they time warp the rider on the B gate with a bike issue back in time to line up for A practice?
DC wrote:
Good point. When it's the 250s that go first, and the B practice is first, we have allowed a rider to ride the A group if...
Good point. When it's the 250s that go first, and the B practice is first, we have allowed a rider to ride the A group if he misses his scheduled group but then gets his bike started several times. Today, Zach never started the A practice, and almost missed the B practice before the bike got started. We are in no hurry to prevent anyone a chance to qualify, and today, with the change of format, Zach deserved a chance to ride the other group when his bike failed to start. We would have done the same for anyone else who's bike did not start, and he did not go out...

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Is there a rule that lets riders pull a different bike of the truck just in this case?

I know the rule is that the bike you qualified with has to be raced (All parts can be replace except for frame).
But since he hasn't turned a lap can the crew unload another bike?
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DC 8/24/2020 7:21am
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aeffertz wrote:
How exactly do they time warp the rider on the B gate with a bike issue back in time to line up for A practice?
DC wrote:
Good point. When it's the 250s that go first, and the B practice is first, we have allowed a rider to ride the A group if...
Good point. When it's the 250s that go first, and the B practice is first, we have allowed a rider to ride the A group if he misses his scheduled group but then gets his bike started several times. Today, Zach never started the A practice, and almost missed the B practice before the bike got started. We are in no hurry to prevent anyone a chance to qualify, and today, with the change of format, Zach deserved a chance to ride the other group when his bike failed to start. We would have done the same for anyone else who's bike did not start, and he did not go out...

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MasonMan wrote:
Is there a rule that lets riders pull a different bike of the truck just in this case? I know the rule is that the bike...
Is there a rule that lets riders pull a different bike of the truck just in this case?

I know the rule is that the bike you qualified with has to be raced (All parts can be replace except for frame).
But since he hasn't turned a lap can the crew unload another bike?
The Rockstar guys only have one bike each on the truck... but you could get a second bike inspected and replace the first one, but not if you’ve started practice on the first one. Once you’ve started the day riding one bike, you can’t switch. Zach never actually started before the fuel pump went out.

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I'd like to see that velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on.
I was waiting for this response. LOL!!!
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I bet if it would have been Tomac or Roczen we would not be having this post!
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PDUB481 8/24/2020 10:57am
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Come guys, its back to the basics "Clean bike practice"
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Someone will protest
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Someone will protest
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Maybe next-year...when they're running 450s...

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DC wrote:
Good point. When it's the 250s that go first, and the B practice is first, we have allowed a rider to ride the A group if...
Good point. When it's the 250s that go first, and the B practice is first, we have allowed a rider to ride the A group if he misses his scheduled group but then gets his bike started several times. Today, Zach never started the A practice, and almost missed the B practice before the bike got started. We are in no hurry to prevent anyone a chance to qualify, and today, with the change of format, Zach deserved a chance to ride the other group when his bike failed to start. We would have done the same for anyone else who's bike did not start, and he did not go out...

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MasonMan wrote:
Is there a rule that lets riders pull a different bike of the truck just in this case? I know the rule is that the bike...
Is there a rule that lets riders pull a different bike of the truck just in this case?

I know the rule is that the bike you qualified with has to be raced (All parts can be replace except for frame).
But since he hasn't turned a lap can the crew unload another bike?
DC wrote:
The Rockstar guys only have one bike each on the truck... but you could get a second bike inspected and replace the first one, but not...
The Rockstar guys only have one bike each on the truck... but you could get a second bike inspected and replace the first one, but not if you’ve started practice on the first one. Once you’ve started the day riding one bike, you can’t switch. Zach never actually started before the fuel pump went out.

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Excellent point.
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gt80rider 8/25/2020 8:40am
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At this level of racing, where millions of dollars are on the line, the rules need to be strict... this is NOT a trophy weekend at Chicken fucking Licks Raceways fer Christian Slater sakes...

So now, if I was a top guy, I would look at track conditions and go out whenever the track was fastest, either the A or B practice to put in the fastest possible lap in qual.....
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Nick_Lalanne 8/25/2020 12:02pm
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The rues state there will be 4 practices (2 for a and 2 for b) and the lcq so when they only have 2 practices and no lcq the rules are already out the window. And no one was complaining about changing the rules and only running 1 practice. Get real guys if they don’t let Zach ride b then he goes and says, “where are the other practice sessions the rules state” then they have to give him time on the track to get his single lap. No matter how you cut it, he makes it.
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Nick_Lalanne wrote:
The rues state there will be 4 practices (2 for a and 2 for b) and the lcq so when they only have 2 practices and...
The rues state there will be 4 practices (2 for a and 2 for b) and the lcq so when they only have 2 practices and no lcq the rules are already out the window. And no one was complaining about changing the rules and only running 1 practice. Get real guys if they don’t let Zach ride b then he goes and says, “where are the other practice sessions the rules state” then they have to give him time on the track to get his single lap. No matter how you cut it, he makes it.
Good take, Nick, and remember, Zach was already "qualified" because the top ten riders in the point standings are automatically in the next race. But he had to ride at least one lap to get his time in and thus settle his pick on the starting gate. Had he not gone out at all I think he would still have been 40th pick. After they finally got the bike started he went out in what was left of B practice and got a tenth fastest time, so that was his first moto gate pick. Funny thing is, he ended up crashing just past the hole shot line and was 31st at the end of the first lap! He really earned that overall win after that by climbing all the way to fifth after all that...

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Handy_andy_85 8/25/2020 12:26pm
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Its a good thing rules are flexible. Other wise all you Kyle's wouldn't be able to go into the gas station to buy a Monster while refusing to wear a face mask.

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Nick_Lalanne wrote:
The rues state there will be 4 practices (2 for a and 2 for b) and the lcq so when they only have 2 practices and...
The rues state there will be 4 practices (2 for a and 2 for b) and the lcq so when they only have 2 practices and no lcq the rules are already out the window. And no one was complaining about changing the rules and only running 1 practice. Get real guys if they don’t let Zach ride b then he goes and says, “where are the other practice sessions the rules state” then they have to give him time on the track to get his single lap. No matter how you cut it, he makes it.
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Good take, Nick, and remember, Zach was already "qualified" because the top ten riders in the point standings are automatically in the next race. But he...
Good take, Nick, and remember, Zach was already "qualified" because the top ten riders in the point standings are automatically in the next race. But he had to ride at least one lap to get his time in and thus settle his pick on the starting gate. Had he not gone out at all I think he would still have been 40th pick. After they finally got the bike started he went out in what was left of B practice and got a tenth fastest time, so that was his first moto gate pick. Funny thing is, he ended up crashing just past the hole shot line and was 31st at the end of the first lap! He really earned that overall win after that by climbing all the way to fifth after all that...

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These guys are locked in on this rule being broken. I don’t think there’s anything anyone can say to change their minds. Thank you for putting on this race. It was amazing and I’ve raced that track and could not believe how good the racing turned out. We as fans were dying for some racing and you guys made it happen. And thanks for taking the time to come on and explain the situation.
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crusty_xx 8/25/2020 2:03pm
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You did mention about 47 times that they would not let a B rider do the same thing. I just wondered if that actually happened (today...
You did mention about 47 times that they would not let a B rider do the same thing. I just wondered if that actually happened (today or in the last 10 days) or if your "observation" is based on speculation and therefore completely irrelevant
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You tend to stretch things out a bit no? 47 times:huh: Speculation comes from not knowing. Tell me, with a 40 rider gate; a “B” group...
You tend to stretch things out a bit no? 47 timesHuh Speculation comes from not knowing. Tell me, with a 40 rider gate; a “B” group rider with a mechanical issue on the line for practice. Do you believe the AMA would allow him on the line and take another riders spot? Or perhaps throw him in as a alternate?

The entire purpose of this thread was to pose the question. In the meantime it’s clowns like yourself who can’t sit back and just read. Instead you have to throw some stupid remark out on the web and flex them muscles. Maybe Bubbles would be a better “observation”
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Just wondering....is the horse dead yet...
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You do realize that we are talking about the AMA and their adherence to their rule book? When have they ever stuck with their own rules and how they are applied?

If I were Kawasaki I also would have filed a protest . What have you got to lose? Your star rider stumbled in race one, rode better in race two, then his bike shit the bed twice in one weekend. Zach won the overall two weeks in a row and has a 40 point lead over your guy. Can't hurt to try, the only downside is you look like a crybaby if the AMA doesn't rule in your favor.
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Mike_Lawlor 8/25/2020 4:07pm
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Zycki11 wrote:
Allowing Osborne to practice in the B group is wrong. It’s not like the B group can switch on a whim to A. Hell if they...
Allowing Osborne to practice in the B group is wrong. It’s not like the B group can switch on a whim to A. Hell if they had a C group would they let him in to that practice?

Settle down Karen! Jesus Christ did someone butt in line at Walmart before you on Saturday or something?
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Francis377 8/26/2020 3:42am
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Congratulations to all those middle aged guys calling others „Karen“ for being extremely hip and very much with the times.
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GangGreen wrote:
A privateer 3 digit rider, who's bike wasn't running for the B Group practice would NO WAY get to ride the A Group session. I think...
A privateer 3 digit rider, who's bike wasn't running for the B Group practice would NO WAY get to ride the A Group session. I think they should always have a LCQ race, regardless of the track conditions. Osborne SHOULD be watching the races today.

Typical AMA, MX Sports Bullshit "Make up the rules as you go along !!!!!"
You're correct, because B practice was after A.. so no way a B rider could go into A
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I'd like to see that velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin' it on.
Me too! ................perhaps someone wants to commission it?TongueWoohoo

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