Osborne Bike Issue and the “Rule”

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Allowing Osborne to practice in the B group is wrong. It’s not like the B group can switch on a whim to A. Hell if they had a C group would they let him in to that practice?

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Zycki11 wrote:
Allowing Osborne to practice in the B group is wrong. It’s not like the B group can switch on a whim to A. Hell if they...
Allowing Osborne to practice in the B group is wrong. It’s not like the B group can switch on a whim to A. Hell if they had a C group would they let him in to that practice?

It's not a normal situation. Normally Osbourne would have had plenty of time to get a mechanical resolved, but because the AMA chose to shorten practice and cut the LCQs, they need to give him some leeway.
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cable 8/22/2020 9:20am
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former champs get a spot on the gate anyway. or did that rule change?
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Kennyfreemoney 8/22/2020 9:25am
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cable wrote:
former champs get a spot on the gate anyway. or did that rule change?
I think its top 20 in points
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GangGreen 8/22/2020 9:28am
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A privateer 3 digit rider, who's bike wasn't running for the B Group practice would NO WAY get to ride the A Group session. I think they should always have a LCQ race, regardless of the track conditions. Osborne SHOULD be watching the races today.

Typical AMA, MX Sports Bullshit "Make up the rules as you go along !!!!!"
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Vital: “I sure wish there was one less fast rider in the program today!”
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charge 8/22/2020 9:31am
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It was stupid to add the lap requirement anyways. We don’t want to ruin a the series for a rider over some bullshit
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mxbum 8/22/2020 9:33am
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cable wrote:
former champs get a spot on the gate anyway. or did that rule change?
Rule 2.14.d:

d. The current top 10 riders in points will be automatically seeded into the national motos. For
Round 1, the top 10 riders from the previous year’s final standings will be automatically
seeded. Provided, however, that seeded riders must have at least one time posted or
complete one lap during timed qualifying sessions in order to compete in the national
motos.
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JohnnyD13 8/22/2020 9:36am
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150ripper wrote:
Vital: “I sure wish there was one less fast rider in the program today!”
It’s crazy that some of these guys would rather stick to a rule, even in extenuating circumstances, then have the points leader race. You guys are special
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Zycki11 8/22/2020 9:38am
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The point is not to lose a fast rider for better racing. Allowing leeway just because of the tightened practice times in my opinion is still irrelevant. These teams have personnel who can help in situations like this. Wash the bike, replace necessary components, and then make sure it runs. A bad fuel pump for a non factory team means your day is done.
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Jeff alessi 8/22/2020 9:40am
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I think Zach deserves a spot on that gate regardless but he deserves to get a time in to... Hopefully he was able to. Pretty much watched them work on that bike for 20+ minutes and got no answer.
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Zycki11 8/22/2020 9:41am
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JohnnyD13 wrote:
It’s crazy that some of these guys would rather stick to a rule, even in extenuating circumstances, then have the points leader race. You guys are...
It’s crazy that some of these guys would rather stick to a rule, even in extenuating circumstances, then have the points leader race. You guys are special
Do you get to bend what time you go to work, or get out of a ticket? It’s not about who the rider is. It is about the RULE. What’s the point of having them if everyone thinks like you? Should everyone get special treatment or should we treat everyone the same because of said rule?
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Boomslang 8/22/2020 9:45am
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The Crux of the matter - Will a privateer who can't start B practice as a result of bikes issues be allowed into A Practice?

As long as it works both ways them I'm ok with the call to allow Osborne into B practice.
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JohnnyD13 wrote:
It’s crazy that some of these guys would rather stick to a rule, even in extenuating circumstances, then have the points leader race. You guys are...
It’s crazy that some of these guys would rather stick to a rule, even in extenuating circumstances, then have the points leader race. You guys are special
That's kinda why rules are made.
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JohnnyD13 8/22/2020 9:47am
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JohnnyD13 wrote:
It’s crazy that some of these guys would rather stick to a rule, even in extenuating circumstances, then have the points leader race. You guys are...
It’s crazy that some of these guys would rather stick to a rule, even in extenuating circumstances, then have the points leader race. You guys are special
Zycki11 wrote:
Do you get to bend what time you go to work, or get out of a ticket? It’s not about who the rider is. It is...
Do you get to bend what time you go to work, or get out of a ticket? It’s not about who the rider is. It is about the RULE. What’s the point of having them if everyone thinks like you? Should everyone get special treatment or should we treat everyone the same because of said rule?
The speed limit is 45 and I go 55. I have gotten out of tickets as well. It’s up the person enforcing them. And in this case I’m glad it’s not you. You break rules everyday my friend. Just look around.
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cable 8/22/2020 9:53am
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cable wrote:
former champs get a spot on the gate anyway. or did that rule change?
mxbum wrote:
Rule 2.14.d: d. The current top 10 riders in points will be automatically seeded into the national motos. For Round 1, the top 10 riders from...
Rule 2.14.d:

d. The current top 10 riders in points will be automatically seeded into the national motos. For
Round 1, the top 10 riders from the previous year’s final standings will be automatically
seeded. Provided, however, that seeded riders must have at least one time posted or
complete one lap during timed qualifying sessions in order to compete in the national
motos.
they must have changed the rule when guy cooper came out on the 540ktm when he was 40, or around that time?
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sc961 8/22/2020 9:53am
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Every rules based decision is open to referee discretion.
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150ripper wrote:
Vital: “I sure wish there was one less fast rider in the program today!”
JohnnyD13 wrote:
It’s crazy that some of these guys would rather stick to a rule, even in extenuating circumstances, then have the points leader race. You guys are...
It’s crazy that some of these guys would rather stick to a rule, even in extenuating circumstances, then have the points leader race. You guys are special
No, its crazy to think that you can choose to igmore a rule depending on who it is applied to. As much as it sucks, its a rule , in the rulebook. Nobody's fault but the team... i am fucking amazed they didnt just plug the laptop in and diagnose it from that.... amateur hour live on camera.
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Jeff alessi 8/22/2020 9:58am
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Those rules are for a normal day, in the situation rules have been bent and tweaked to meet the conditions. And for anyone to say a B rider can’t ride A group your right and that’s because the B group is after A so it’s not possible so it holds no reason to be said or compared. Ozzy was already 3 seconds off the pace from being out of the earlier practice, so it didn’t help him in anyway.
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jackson storm 8/22/2020 10:00am
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Question. Had the rule been enforced as written, wouldn’t that force manufacturers to source or build a better part?
GL mentioned there’s been some fuel pump troubles come thru the shop.
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Mit12 8/22/2020 10:14am
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This would be a non issue had they had the normal qualifying secessions. When they have to adjust the program because of things outside of their controll they can and will make adjustments in order to have the top riders on the gate. I am sure this is not the first time this has been done.
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Kyle978 8/22/2020 10:16am
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We wouldn’t even notice that privateer that missed the race.

The red plate holder on the other hand...

Anyone mad about this is a complete dork.
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downard254 8/22/2020 10:19am
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Come on guys, racing is a show, and If the show is better with all of the top riders racing in it, then that’s what’s going to happen.
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Brad460 8/22/2020 10:20am
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Kyle978 wrote:
We wouldn’t even notice that privateer that missed the race.

The red plate holder on the other hand...

Anyone mad about this is a complete dork.
^^This for sure...

I am not interested in watching one more guy get lapped...I want to see a battle.

Foolish to think otherwise...
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ky_savage 8/22/2020 10:24am
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Ignoring the rules falls into the category of giving everyone a trophy IMO.
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Kyle978 8/22/2020 10:28am
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ky_savage wrote:
Ignoring the rules falls into the category of giving everyone a trophy IMO.
What a stretch that is 🙄

Giving a title contender a chance to participate due to HIGHLY unusual circumstances is so far from handing out trophies.

Some of your brains are wired in a strange fucking way.
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Copy paste from my post in the other thread

The rules are also 1 free practice + 2 timed sessions.

If Osborne was "DNQ" due to missing the unique session caused by the weather, then he (and his team and his sponsors) would be in his full right to ask a 2nd timed sessions (which can't be set due to weather). As you said, rules are rules and it work both ways. It is also why they wrote the race director can be more flexible to adapt to the weather conditions. Again, that is the rules. There is actually "nothing to see", let us move on.
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ky_savage 8/22/2020 10:31am
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Kyle978 wrote:
What a stretch that is 🙄 Giving a title contender a chance to participate due to HIGHLY unusual circumstances is so far from handing out trophies...
What a stretch that is 🙄

Giving a title contender a chance to participate due to HIGHLY unusual circumstances is so far from handing out trophies.

Some of your brains are wired in a strange fucking way.
They sure are for some of you. Don't worry. I'm sure nothing will be done so he will more than likely be on the line.
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Skuzzy29 8/22/2020 10:33am
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ky_savage wrote:
Ignoring the rules falls into the category of giving everyone a trophy IMO.
For fck sake!
The 'rules' are there are multiple timed practices and an LCQ to get into the mains! When that was changed...everything after opens up to change as well.
Not sure why it's so hard to understand!
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GuyB 8/22/2020 10:38am
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This wasn't a normal day. He was missing two of his three opportunities to qualify based on promoter decisions.

I'm fine with him making it in via the B practice.
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