Open 125 class at LL

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11/22/2011 7:43am Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 3:25pm
Has anyone heard confirmation about the Open 125 class at Loretta Lynns? If so what are the rules, is there an age limit, skill level, ETC...
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Nothing until the class list and rule book is posted. But I'd imagine the class would be exactly what it says, an open amateur available to anyone not racing the A or Pro Sport.
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11/22/2011 7:53am
Wonder what we'll see on the starting line of that race/lol? Just a sea of KTM's, unless someone is crazy to ride a Yamaha w/ it's five-year old technology/lol. On a serious note, it'll be interesting to see what'd show up on the starting line for that race though...
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11/22/2011 7:55am
I heard it's actually going to be an Open Two-Stroke class (and open skill) instead but I'm not sure how it all ended up....

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11/22/2011 8:00am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2011 8:01am
Looks like Eric Gorr and/or Rick Peterson are gonna be busy here real soon...

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OPEN 2 Stroke PLEASE PLEASE!!!

That would ne freakin awesome!
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Open 2 stroke , CR500?
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Open 2-stroke sounds like a winner to me. That might even spark my interest enough to try and qualify.
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I was going to give it a go on my 125 in the 35+ and 40+ but if there's a 2 stroke class I'll give
that a try instead.
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Anything outside the AMA
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11/22/2011 9:58am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2011 9:58am
Shawn142 wrote:
Nothing until the class list and rule book is posted. But I'd imagine the class would be exactly what it says, an open amateur available to...
Nothing until the class list and rule book is posted. But I'd imagine the class would be exactly what it says, an open amateur available to anyone not racing the A or Pro Sport.
I like that last part " . . . available to anyone not racing . . ." Isn't it interesting that promoters are all alike? They set it up just enough to fail. And then when it does, they say "See, I told you no one was interested."
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Shawn142 wrote:
Nothing until the class list and rule book is posted. But I'd imagine the class would be exactly what it says, an open amateur available to...
Nothing until the class list and rule book is posted. But I'd imagine the class would be exactly what it says, an open amateur available to anyone not racing the A or Pro Sport.
burn1986 wrote:
I like that last part " . . . available to anyone not racing . . ." Isn't it interesting that promoters are all alike? They...
I like that last part " . . . available to anyone not racing . . ." Isn't it interesting that promoters are all alike? They set it up just enough to fail. And then when it does, they say "See, I told you no one was interested."
I like how you just jump on this even though thats just what he thinks it will end up being... read DC's post above...
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I like how you just jump on this even though thats just what he thinks it will end up being... read DC's post above...
Well, we'll see dude. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Well generally open classes are considered amateur even on a local level, you wouldn't want pros getting out there with novice kids. Really if it is open skill level I'll kinda be bummed because that means A and Pro Sport guys will try and use it as their back-up class and keep some normal dudes from being able to qualify. If the AMA runs it out there the gate will be full without a doubt.
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11/22/2011 10:40am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2011 10:56am
For some reason I was thinking this was the Mini-Os not LL. Mistake

How will this affect the Schoolboy class?
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Burn, what exactly do you think it should be?

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I hope they do not allow pros! I wish they would take them out completly or make the classes like 25+ AM and 25+ Pro for example. It is an Amateur Championship not an EX pro Championship. It is just hard to compete with guys like Reynard, Dubach, Stiles, Sleeter and more who all ride for a living.. How are you supposed to compete with that when most of us like myself are having to working 2-3 jobs just to make it to the races. and only having time to ride Sat and Sun at the races and trying to train late night hours. Just hard to compete with that. I am not against them racing just think there should be different classes for them. I thought that was what Pro Sport was for..
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11/22/2011 11:10am Edited Date/Time 11/22/2011 11:12am
What is it right now? I think you should keep the Schoolboy class, and add the Open class.

Of course, you know my real thoughts are that a 125 class should be run on the off weekends of the WMX.

Of course, my real thoughts are that you should break away from the AMA and start your own series with 125, 250, and Open class (both engine types).
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burn1986 wrote:
What is it right now? I think you should keep the Schoolboy class, and add the Open class. Of course, you know my real thoughts are...
What is it right now? I think you should keep the Schoolboy class, and add the Open class.

Of course, you know my real thoughts are that a 125 class should be run on the off weekends of the WMX.

Of course, my real thoughts are that you should break away from the AMA and start your own series with 125, 250, and Open class (both engine types).
Lets just keep it about Loretta's shall we... that's what the whole thread is about. The class, whatever it ends up being, is being put in place of the 80cc Beginner that was tried last year. I'd assume everything else stays the same, especially the Schoolboy 1 since it's a major part of the event.
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11/22/2011 12:10pm Edited Date/Time 11/22/2011 12:12pm
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Lets just keep it about Loretta's shall we... that's what the whole thread is about. The class, whatever it ends up being, is being put in...
Lets just keep it about Loretta's shall we... that's what the whole thread is about. The class, whatever it ends up being, is being put in place of the 80cc Beginner that was tried last year. I'd assume everything else stays the same, especially the Schoolboy 1 since it's a major part of the event.
We shall . . .My bad, DC

Even so, LLs is pretty successful, I don't see why it couldn't expand. Just sayin.
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No room to expand, Burn, and not have to cut motos. And this new class will not have any effect on the existing Schoolboy classes. It will be an added class, in place of the Mini Development class, which did not work. There is still some back-and-forth on how it will look, but I'm guessing 125/250 Two-Strokes, and still not sure on whether it will be B/C or A/B...

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DC wrote:
No room to expand, Burn, and not have to cut motos. And this new class will not have any effect on the existing Schoolboy classes. It...
No room to expand, Burn, and not have to cut motos. And this new class will not have any effect on the existing Schoolboy classes. It will be an added class, in place of the Mini Development class, which did not work. There is still some back-and-forth on how it will look, but I'm guessing 125/250 Two-Strokes, and still not sure on whether it will be B/C or A/B...

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i would think that a 2stroke 125 b/c and 2stroke 250 b/c would be extremely popular.
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11/22/2011 12:28pm Edited Date/Time 11/22/2011 12:29pm
Well, it sounds excellent. It's just too easy to get visions of granduer - Loretta Lynn's 125/250/Open National Championship, Loretta Lynn's Supercross Championship. Cool
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DC wrote:
No room to expand, Burn, and not have to cut motos. And this new class will not have any effect on the existing Schoolboy classes. It...
No room to expand, Burn, and not have to cut motos. And this new class will not have any effect on the existing Schoolboy classes. It will be an added class, in place of the Mini Development class, which did not work. There is still some back-and-forth on how it will look, but I'm guessing 125/250 Two-Strokes, and still not sure on whether it will be B/C or A/B...

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Allowing 250 2 strokes and 250 4strokes on the track together at the professional level is a bad idea but allowing multiple displacements of bikes together at the amateur level on the track is a good idea?
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11/23/2011 4:37am Edited Date/Time 11/23/2011 4:38am
newmann wrote:
Allowing 250 2 strokes and 250 4strokes on the track together at the professional level is a bad idea but allowing multiple displacements of bikes together...
Allowing 250 2 strokes and 250 4strokes on the track together at the professional level is a bad idea but allowing multiple displacements of bikes together at the amateur level on the track is a good idea?
I'm glad we keep trying so hard to steer this ship back towards the 250v250F at the pro level debate, we sure haven't talked about that enough yet.

ANYWAY.. what's wrong with a run-what-you-brung 2-stroke class if that is indeed what is run? Now you've got a place for all those exotic Service bikes and modified 2-strokes people keep building. MXSports and the AMA are trying to do something different and unique FOR 2-strokes and I STILL see the 2-stroke guys trying to shit on it. So what rules would it take to make newmann or any of the 2-stroke mafia happy about this class? Because personally I think it's awesome, and I'm going to race it if it's an Open 2-Stroke.
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open two stroke class would be awesome if it was completly open skill level, i last raced lorettas in 08 in the a classes and want to race there still, i just wouldnt wanna race the A class and get smoked, it would be so fun to race lorettas on a two stroke again without the pressure of having to perform.
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newmann wrote:
Allowing 250 2 strokes and 250 4strokes on the track together at the professional level is a bad idea but allowing multiple displacements of bikes together...
Allowing 250 2 strokes and 250 4strokes on the track together at the professional level is a bad idea but allowing multiple displacements of bikes together at the amateur level on the track is a good idea?
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I'm glad we keep trying so hard to steer this ship back towards the 250v250F at the pro level debate, we sure haven't talked about that...
I'm glad we keep trying so hard to steer this ship back towards the 250v250F at the pro level debate, we sure haven't talked about that enough yet.

ANYWAY.. what's wrong with a run-what-you-brung 2-stroke class if that is indeed what is run? Now you've got a place for all those exotic Service bikes and modified 2-strokes people keep building. MXSports and the AMA are trying to do something different and unique FOR 2-strokes and I STILL see the 2-stroke guys trying to shit on it. So what rules would it take to make newmann or any of the 2-stroke mafia happy about this class? Because personally I think it's awesome, and I'm going to race it if it's an Open 2-Stroke.
Reading way too much into it there Shawn. Not that there is a whole lot wrong with a "run whatcha' brung" class but what is so wrong with a normal class in the first place? 125's through 500's and multiple skill levels on the track together doesn't sound like a good mix as far as I'm concerned. Seems to me that people that make it that far along are pretty serious about their racing and I doubt many would be eager to line their 125 up against a 250 or 500. I just see it as more of a beatdown to the 125 class which I'm a little partial to. Since you are interested in competing in it, are you going to pick up a 125 for the class?
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Reading way too much into it there Shawn. Not that there is a whole lot wrong with a "run whatcha' brung" class but what is so...
Reading way too much into it there Shawn. Not that there is a whole lot wrong with a "run whatcha' brung" class but what is so wrong with a normal class in the first place? 125's through 500's and multiple skill levels on the track together doesn't sound like a good mix as far as I'm concerned. Seems to me that people that make it that far along are pretty serious about their racing and I doubt many would be eager to line their 125 up against a 250 or 500. I just see it as more of a beatdown to the 125 class which I'm a little partial to. Since you are interested in competing in it, are you going to pick up a 125 for the class?
There's already a strictly 125cc class at Loretta's though, why do we need a second? Super fast kids will just use it as their back-up class in case they miss out on one of their main targets. At least open it appeals to more people and has a much better chance at a full gate. As for your question, bit loaded don't you think? Sure, I'd love to bring a knife to a gun fight just because you like 125s. You supply it and I'll try and qualify on it.
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11/23/2011 6:36am
Newman, I don't see a problem with 250Fs racing with 450Fs, which is what the old Four-Stroke class allowed, and I don't see a problem with 125 and 250 Two-Strokes racing together in this class. My personal opinion is that it should be capped at 250cc and it should be a B/C class, not A and Pro-Sport. The kids have a chance to race 125s in the Schoolboy class, and riders 16 and up can race here. An A rider who wants to race a 250cc Two-Stroke can do it in the 250 A and Pro Sport classes.

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11/23/2011 6:40am Edited Date/Time 11/23/2011 6:41am
I'll supply a bike for a six round 125 National on the off weekends of the WMA. Six rounds WMA, six rounds 125.....DC.....you still there?Yamaha, Husky, TM and KTM equals "The Big Four" in 125 class bikes, who really cares if Honda, Kawasaki and Suzuki don't want to offer bikes for a class they don't want to participate in?


Edit: That was quick DC!
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I would like to try that at a round or two, just to see if it works, Newman. If it does, we can expand it. If it doesn't, can we move on?

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