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I wonder what a 2010 RMZ250 would cost a year from now? OTD?
miedosoracing1 wrote: And the 150sx is sold out around the nation. So I guess that kills your theory. 2 strokes are selling out and 4 strokes are not. So the demand is there.
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With the economy sliding further into the shitter who knows what the left over prices are going to be. The '09's are lower than I envisioned them being at the end of '08 early '09.
leftovers.
I still think that 250 smokers would sell just fine if they were out there. Im not talking record levels, but they would sell them. Especially now that people have woke up from the 4-stroke frenzy.
The majority of these threads are based solely around MX bikes. It needs to be said the Japaneses manufacturers don't just make MX bikes. Some make instruments, others cars, others appliances and heavy equipment. Bottom line is very, very important. Nothing would be done in risk or probability. They are run by the accounting departments. So experimental bikes such as a four stroke in 97, maybe a 200 in 01, 350 in 2011 are all left for others to test the waters. Yamaha took a big gamble, probably three year gamble on the new 450.
We all get it. The rule should stay. Let Sara win some races. Its the outlandish way he goes about it.
UK, you and others are spot on why the two stroke left. It wasn't a ploy to make us all buy expensive bikes that break. The manufactures needed to act, they did and are adjusting. Any of you remember back to the 80's when you could seize a two stroke by looking at it funny? The rules are changing. For bikes, competitive bikes for factories making them. They are all watching the bottom line and taking small steps. I enjoy these threads for their audacity in statements. Then its fun to see the result.
Ultimately it was too bad for Honda, who had some very pissed dealers stuck with a ton of small wheel 150's!
KTM deserves everything they get as far as mx racing. They spent the money, & put the effort into their company for you & me, the racer. They may not be on the podium as much as the others, but look at the ratios & the talent behind them. OEM's have the dough to make even me want to hold the bitch WFO around a SX track!
And by the way, a properly tuned 150 SX WILL beat a 250F, but not a 300F. Give me 25 more cc on the 150, & we'll have a race.
DC, if you're looking, I applaud your decision to allow the 250 two stroke in amatuer lites competition. Keep up the equality! It makes for better racing!
He came up with the 426 and 250f by reducing the F1 motor he had developed for F1.
I will wait for Tikstar or Flad to confirm.
Why did Honda make a 150 4st, was there already a class set by The AMA or did they just start another class.
150 two strokes in the lites class and open 2 strokes (250 + ? u feel like) in the 450 class... which will end up being a 350 class anyways...
the 250 smoker isn't fair against the 250 thumpers... and it isn't fair against the 450s either... So u can't use that argument...
So just make the simple change and cut the shit... Simple as that...
And the argument that 3 manufacturers don't make the 2 strokes is BULLSHIT too because that was exactly the case when the four strokes were being introduced - FACT
They gave them too much of an advantage.
Why race a 250s in the "open" class when you can race a 450f that has much more power?
Do some testing... testing that most 8th graders could figure out how to accomplish, and make comparable cc limits and we will once again have 2s lining up on the gate. end of story.
Now maybe the AMA should reward KTM's vision of the 2 stroke as a mainstay and allow them the same rule changes to let the public decide what they want to race (and ride).
Not banish one or the other, even the playing field so the public has a viable option.
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Fact is the OEMs will do what the consumers want if people vote with their wallets...
The issue is that the Governing bodies doesn't allow us to do so by restricting the classes and therefore the usability of said bikes (150 and 300 2 strokes)...
If we are allowed to race those bikes, the racers around each country will find a way to race and ride them... After all, apart from the people trying to get a national championship most people would likely more care about what is affordable to be able to stay involved in our already increasingly expensive sport...
If 2 strokes were viable class wise, I bet you'd see more out there, and more bikes in general!!!
It freaken annoys me why they can't just make this simple change and see what happens... They let four strokes in so easily, why are they so afraid of making a simple change that would actually be good for the sport?!?!?!
Who do you think is stopping it??? AND NO IT ISN'T DC
(Had to be an Aussie that makes the most sense here....)
What you wrote above is very much the truth I believe.
If he wanted, he could say to the OEMs that the classes would have equal displacement, etc. The problem with that is, if the manufacturers don't like it or it will cost them too much money, then they will just pick up and go home. Who is the winner then? Who says they have to race the Nationals? They get more than enough exposure in the World GPs and Supercross. Think they'll never pull out? Take a look at what's happening in the AMA Superbike series.
If you really want a change, vote with your wallets and go buy a 2 stroke. That's the only way it's going to change.
It just shits me that we aren't being given the choice and every shit reason that wasn't good enough 10 years ago is suddenly valid now...
Nothing will make me think that a four stroke only motocross world is better for the sport... They might be better round a track, but really we haven't even seen a fair fight, so who the fuck is to say?!?!
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