Now it's official Suzuki is leaving MXGP series

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Edited Date/Time 10/26/2017 8:43am
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Motofinne 10/23/2017 2:07am
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It's crazy.

They wouldn't have anything in pro MX or SX racing without JGR.
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rongi#401 10/23/2017 3:26am
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Why would anyone trust their life on a brand that can't afford to hit the big races...?
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rmoto003 10/23/2017 3:32am
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Gee i wonder if we should still do these stupid shootouts and shit all over bikes so that a bunch of overweight goon riders can decide which one is best

Nah its cool fam
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Martini637 10/23/2017 3:38am
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rongi#401 wrote:
Why would anyone trust their life on a brand that can't afford to hit the big races...?
Not really sure what you mean by that....but as someone who recently bought an rmz, it is a bummer but it still wont change how i see the company or their bikes. Suzuki is still has MotoGP and still has AMA road racing if Im not mistaken. Clearly they dont see a solid financial reason to keep the team, maybe their shifting the focus to MotoGP and GSXR line up which im sure makes them a pretty penny. Still love my RMZ and honestly its been the bike that put the biggest smile on my face, i love it.

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Thisusernameisavailable 10/23/2017 4:25am
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rongi#401 wrote:
Why would anyone trust their life on a brand that can't afford to hit the big races...?
I'm really struggling to see the correlation
Between trusting your life on a bike and the manufacturer not being at the pro races?
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scottydogmx 10/23/2017 5:04am
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It will be sad if this is the beginning of the end of Suzuki dirt bikes, I have grown up with them and bought a few, 02 and 05 250t were my favourites but also bought the Rmz 250 04 , which though got rubbish reveiws I had no problems and enjoyed riding it Sad
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ATKpilot99 10/23/2017 5:09am
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scottydogmx wrote:
It will be sad if this is the beginning of the end of Suzuki dirt bikes, I have grown up with them and bought a few...
It will be sad if this is the beginning of the end of Suzuki dirt bikes, I have grown up with them and bought a few, 02 and 05 250t were my favourites but also bought the Rmz 250 04 , which though got rubbish reveiws I had no problems and enjoyed riding it Sad
The 04 RMZ 250 was actually a Kawasaki Wink
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Motofinne 10/23/2017 5:33am
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scottydogmx wrote:
It will be sad if this is the beginning of the end of Suzuki dirt bikes, I have grown up with them and bought a few...
It will be sad if this is the beginning of the end of Suzuki dirt bikes, I have grown up with them and bought a few, 02 and 05 250t were my favourites but also bought the Rmz 250 04 , which though got rubbish reveiws I had no problems and enjoyed riding it Sad
I think it is. Lets say that the relationship between Yamaha and JGR would've lasted, they would've been out in US racing too(i don't see any other privately funded team out there with JGRs ambitions and organization). Suzuki got lucky when JGR got desperate and wanted to change bike brands. Lets remember that JGRs deal with Suzuki was actually economically worse for JGR compared to what they could've got with Yamaha last year when they made the switch.

It's sad.

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aees 10/23/2017 5:36am
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The market is not growing in general, we have 2 new brands inHusky and KTM reaching volumes (eating market share). Someone has to give.

It will be Suzuki.
Dirty Points 10/23/2017 7:43am
10/23/2017 7:43am Edited Date/Time 10/23/2017 7:45am
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hopefully putting money into R&D
By shutting down their two most significant race technology testing operations?
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deluxeman 10/23/2017 7:43am
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I am not as pessimistic as a lot of people. Suzuki seems to always have had financial issues and you have to make choices. My thought is Suzuki had to make a descision as to what series to invest their money. They chose MotoGP, MX/SX in the USA, MotoAmerica, British Superbike and a few others. It is not unusual for an OEM to skip some racing series. Honda and Kawasaki don't race in MotoAmerica but people aren't crying foul there.

I don't see this as Suzuki failing in the dirt bike market. I think they would rather sell street bikes. Probabaly more $$$ in it anyway.
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Construction 10/23/2017 8:06am
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Financial issues or smart with their money? because facts show they have zero
Financial issues and make more than everyone combined minus Honda. You won’t see them lose 2 bill a year like Yamaha did in 09 and you will see them make far more than 70 mill net profit like everyones favorite ktm. When your net profit is 1.5 bill a year you’re doing something right. Face it dirt bikes are a tiny almost nothing market

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Motofinne 10/23/2017 8:20am
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Cole_Ughetti wrote:
hopefully putting money into R&D
Like Dirty Points mentioned, you are not putting money into R&D if you shut down your 2 most significant race situation testing programs.

The whole 2017 season was like a big public R&D project for the MXGP guys with the new bike.
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mxb2 10/23/2017 8:25am
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Guess the value of my rmz went up haha, kinda like the overpriced old smokersCool
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aees 10/23/2017 8:29am
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They are selling 40.000 Suzuki-bikes OVERALL in North America, and 50.000 in Europe. That includes everything that is 2-wheels.

So you can imagine the sales for MX on those areas maybe being 10%, more like 5% is my guess. Say they have 4000 usd in margin to run teams, R&D etc on, you get what, $18.000.000. Take the number that Genova put and the money our guys are making in the sport and you quickly see there is little room for investment.

I think they will have to fold up the MX-division eventually. They make one more round with a refined 450 for 2019, and the new 250 but if that is not a big success they are out.
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TriRacer27 10/23/2017 8:31am
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Wow, that's a lot of MXGP teams folding next season. I've lost count.

Well, GL wanted the series to be exclusive...I guess this is one way for that to happen.
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Motofinne 10/23/2017 8:35am
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Wow, that's a lot of MXGP teams folding next season. I've lost count. Well, GL wanted the series to be exclusive...I guess this is one way...
Wow, that's a lot of MXGP teams folding next season. I've lost count.

Well, GL wanted the series to be exclusive...I guess this is one way for that to happen.
But there are popping up new ones. This has happened before and will happen again. Teams fold and new teams take their places.

But to have a factory 450 effort just go away is not a good thing.
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BobPA 10/23/2017 8:39am
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Construction wrote:
Financial issues or smart with their money? because facts show they have zero Financial issues and make more than everyone combined minus Honda. You won’t see...
Financial issues or smart with their money? because facts show they have zero
Financial issues and make more than everyone combined minus Honda. You won’t see them lose 2 bill a year like Yamaha did in 09 and you will see them make far more than 70 mill net profit like everyones favorite ktm. When your net profit is 1.5 bill a year you’re doing something right. Face it dirt bikes are a tiny almost nothing market
New screen name, same old nut hugging

It is a shame they are leaving, but I am sure they are not in financial turmoil
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APLMAN99 10/23/2017 11:41am
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Construction wrote:
Financial issues or smart with their money? because facts show they have zero Financial issues and make more than everyone combined minus Honda. You won’t see...
Financial issues or smart with their money? because facts show they have zero
Financial issues and make more than everyone combined minus Honda. You won’t see them lose 2 bill a year like Yamaha did in 09 and you will see them make far more than 70 mill net profit like everyones favorite ktm. When your net profit is 1.5 bill a year you’re doing something right. Face it dirt bikes are a tiny almost nothing market
According to their financial reports, the motorcycle segment LOST 900M yen last year.........

They lost over 10B yen the year before.....
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APLMAN99 10/23/2017 11:46am
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ruy wrote:
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Wasn't too many years after Watanabe's championship that Suzuki exited the GPs back then, also.......

Maybe 5 or 6 years?
PlainEnvelopes 10/23/2017 11:48am
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They should have at least waiting another year, so the "new" bike could be seen on the track.
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line-up 10/23/2017 12:06pm
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APLMAN99 wrote:
Wasn't too many years after Watanabe's championship that Suzuki exited the GPs back then, also.......

Maybe 5 or 6 years?
At the end of 1983 (that year they won 125cc and 250cc world titles).
They have done that multiple times in the last 35 years.
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Construction wrote:
Financial issues or smart with their money? because facts show they have zero Financial issues and make more than everyone combined minus Honda. You won’t see...
Financial issues or smart with their money? because facts show they have zero
Financial issues and make more than everyone combined minus Honda. You won’t see them lose 2 bill a year like Yamaha did in 09 and you will see them make far more than 70 mill net profit like everyones favorite ktm. When your net profit is 1.5 bill a year you’re doing something right. Face it dirt bikes are a tiny almost nothing market
APLMAN99 wrote:
According to their financial reports, the motorcycle segment LOST 900M yen last year.........

They lost over 10B yen the year before.....
I think as many Asian old game vendors, they are stuck with factories since they for a long time wanted to control most manufacturing themselves instead of sticking to design of products.

This leads to complex situations since you just cant scale up and down the way you want. Factories are parts of balance sheets. If you shut down multiple factories and/or production lines it can basically put you insolvent over night due to balance sheet issues.

You should also consider multiyear agreements with suppliers and stock items.

So im sure you are seeing from Suzuki what is a clean out and ramp down over 3 years. Unless the new 250 and refined 450 becomes a big hit, they are out of the MX market from 2020.

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