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4/24/2018 6:26pm
I need to preface this with, I don't believe Baker or his athletes are cheating...but someone is responsible for the failed test.
Listening to the Steve Matthes podcast on Brock Tickle...
Aldon mentions he did a google search of the substance and found "it doesn't stay in your system long" and "it wouldn't have been detectable for that long.."
Why was this something he added to the conversation?
Weigant and Matthes both go onto say, "I didnt' find that". This recently highlighted proverb comes comes to mind... 'Only the guilty flee where no man pursues.'
Jason Anderson also told Weigant that he has not been tested at a race all year. He was only tested once while at a restaurant randomly as a part of his year long watch (Skip to 3:20). That would have been outside of the half-life window of the substance (8.5 hours).
Anderson also mentioned "yea he takes this supplement stuff he gets at GNC but we are all looking for something" which does not align with what Aldon made it sound like. Again, not stating they are cheating, but they are looking for an edge.
I'm not one of those conspiracy nuts that thinks Aldon is pumping his athletes full of HGH or doping, but I do believe he maximizes their potential within the confines of the rule book. My main point here again is that someone is responsible for this failed test.
Speculating a bit, Brock doesn't appear to be someone who would go and do something that he wasn't instructed to do. Especially when he is under guidance from the most successful trainers in SX/MX history.
I really hope Brock retains his own attorneys (I assume he has already) and doesn't rely on the KTM legal team to fight for him. They are looking out for the best interest of the team and their trainer. Don't Baker has an exclusive contract with KTM for his training services (link here). I'm not sure if the RedBull KTM riders are required to work with Aldon Baker or not, but that may come into play.
Brock is on the hook for an entire year's salary for an incident like this. (Skip to 11:40).
Here are our options for what happened and what will result..
1. Brock knowingly or unknowingly took a supplement on his own that contained this substance.
Result: Brock is on the hook for 1 year's salary, meanwhile he will likely be unable to compete for 18 months. Meaning he will not have a salary. Dismissal from the team. Very unlikely to get another contract in the future.
2. Brock was instructed to take a substance by Aldon that he (Aldon) either knowingly or unknowingly contained that substance.
Result: Brock will file a lawsuit against Aldon Baker and/or RedBull KTM to cover damages to his career.
3. Aldon and/or Brock knowingly ingested the supplement that contained the banned substance knowing exactly its half-life but...took it a bit too late and it remained in his system too long. Or for whatever reason it remained in his system for longer than they anticipated.
Result: Major whoopsy...
4. WADA screwed up and there was in fact no substance in his body and the B test will reveal a false positive.
Result: In which case Brock will be forced to put his head down and forever be called a cheater by idiot fans.
I apologize for the book, I just don't see this going well in any scenario. Most likely scenario is we will never know what really happened...Brock will not be forced to pay out a years salary. He will not be dismissed from the team, but will not be re-signed by KTM. He will still be suspended for 18 months...from Feb 10th, 2018. Meaning if he can get something to ride he won't be back until 2020.
Now just imagine if Anderson and Marvin both were popped for this....
Listening to the Steve Matthes podcast on Brock Tickle...
Aldon mentions he did a google search of the substance and found "it doesn't stay in your system long" and "it wouldn't have been detectable for that long.."
Why was this something he added to the conversation?
Weigant and Matthes both go onto say, "I didnt' find that". This recently highlighted proverb comes comes to mind... 'Only the guilty flee where no man pursues.'
Jason Anderson also told Weigant that he has not been tested at a race all year. He was only tested once while at a restaurant randomly as a part of his year long watch (Skip to 3:20). That would have been outside of the half-life window of the substance (8.5 hours).
Anderson also mentioned "yea he takes this supplement stuff he gets at GNC but we are all looking for something" which does not align with what Aldon made it sound like. Again, not stating they are cheating, but they are looking for an edge.
I'm not one of those conspiracy nuts that thinks Aldon is pumping his athletes full of HGH or doping, but I do believe he maximizes their potential within the confines of the rule book. My main point here again is that someone is responsible for this failed test.
Speculating a bit, Brock doesn't appear to be someone who would go and do something that he wasn't instructed to do. Especially when he is under guidance from the most successful trainers in SX/MX history.
I really hope Brock retains his own attorneys (I assume he has already) and doesn't rely on the KTM legal team to fight for him. They are looking out for the best interest of the team and their trainer. Don't Baker has an exclusive contract with KTM for his training services (link here). I'm not sure if the RedBull KTM riders are required to work with Aldon Baker or not, but that may come into play.
Brock is on the hook for an entire year's salary for an incident like this. (Skip to 11:40).
Here are our options for what happened and what will result..
1. Brock knowingly or unknowingly took a supplement on his own that contained this substance.
Result: Brock is on the hook for 1 year's salary, meanwhile he will likely be unable to compete for 18 months. Meaning he will not have a salary. Dismissal from the team. Very unlikely to get another contract in the future.
2. Brock was instructed to take a substance by Aldon that he (Aldon) either knowingly or unknowingly contained that substance.
Result: Brock will file a lawsuit against Aldon Baker and/or RedBull KTM to cover damages to his career.
3. Aldon and/or Brock knowingly ingested the supplement that contained the banned substance knowing exactly its half-life but...took it a bit too late and it remained in his system too long. Or for whatever reason it remained in his system for longer than they anticipated.
Result: Major whoopsy...
4. WADA screwed up and there was in fact no substance in his body and the B test will reveal a false positive.
Result: In which case Brock will be forced to put his head down and forever be called a cheater by idiot fans.
I apologize for the book, I just don't see this going well in any scenario. Most likely scenario is we will never know what really happened...Brock will not be forced to pay out a years salary. He will not be dismissed from the team, but will not be re-signed by KTM. He will still be suspended for 18 months...from Feb 10th, 2018. Meaning if he can get something to ride he won't be back until 2020.
Now just imagine if Anderson and Marvin both were popped for this....
The Shop
Half life is about 8-10 hours and about 20 or so hours after that, but a detectable amount I'm not sure.
That stuff above is basically overpriced junk.. You can buy everything in it and make your own for about 7 cents per serving It's legal last I checked about a year ago.
Synephrine has been questionable with WADA for years but remains legal, again last I checked.
They dont use half lifes. They use detectable.
It already is in some other organizations. The NCAA probably the most recongnizable one.
This new shit like MindFX, and the like are just fancy caffeinated/B12-B6/niacin loaded powders.
My opinion is the WADA is a bit much for Moto, and SX. They're reaching pretty hard for this Broc Tickle dealio.
If he didn’t eat something, they messed up his blood.....proving that is gonna be tough!
1,5 the Hexane version which is 1,5 DMHA
1,6 DMHA is hard to find right now because it is too new.
The H in this is for Heptane, which has 7 molecules,
That said, and I don't have time to look at the Code, but you may have to establish the use was for reasons other than performance enhancement,
I also kind of wonder if KTM bosses will rethink having entire teams coached/trained by the same person. What if Aldon made a mistake and he gave all of the riders a pill he wasn't 100% certain on. And what if several of those riders get tested and fail. You would be looking at an entire team suspended.
This is a single point of failure and not something you really ever want. If Aldon makes a mistake, or one of his helpers fucks up you could tear a whole team down.
The stuff hasnt been indicated for nasal spray in WELL OVER 3 Decades, and its not an ADD med. SMDH.
Pit Row
As far as caffeine, what advantage would it give a racer? Some energy, sure. However, the caffeine will be processed and metabolized by the body far before the additional energy boost it gives is needed for an athlete at that level. I'll go as far as to say that any advantage it could possibly give you would be nearly impossible to quantify.
Take Broc for example. Run 2 25 minute motos while keeping as many variables the same as possible. Run them on different days, same time of day and same meals before each one. However, take methylhexanamine and/or caffeine before one of the motos. Check lap times, if you saw a difference between the 2, it would be so minimal or non existent that you could never say it's because of what he took. It would be easier to say the difference in the dirt, or just riding a touch better on that day, or whatever else.
Also, knowing that he's on a very strict diet and having done the same myself in the past, one could argue that carb loading produces just as good or better benefits and that's not illegal.
And just because it's banned in the NCAA doesn't mean it's right. They use a lot of the same standards as WADA. WADA does serve a purpose, however I don't agree with a lot of what's on their list of banned substances. Anything truly performance enhancing, sure. However, prove that it actually enhances ones athletic abilities.
NCAA testing is an absolute joke too. The athletes know the testing schedule and cycle accordingly. It's not unusual to see a top NCAA football player to put on 15+ lbs of lean muscle during the off season. That's not natural.
It's also not natural for a 17 or 18 year old kid to cleanly squat 500+lbs. There;s no shortage of steroid use in football and it makes too much money for them to risk cracking down on it.
He should post up what he ate and why!
How far back will they test? Will titles get stripped?
It could get ugly.... And at the worst possible time in our industry for sales...
There are numereous versions of "DMAA", all labeled as 1,3, 1,4, DMAA and also the newer 1,5 DMHA(Hexane) and 1,6 DMHA (Heptane) versions with 7 molecules.
I like Weege but WADA and USADA isnt going to tell athletes where the stuff is found. You can buy it as Raws from China. You can buy it in 100s of retail products.
They are 100% going to hang up the phone when some dumb athlete calls and says "What is this stuff found in"
That leads me to believe it is legal for training?
Drugs are bad, mkay. Black flag tickle for a week or two, but anything more than a one season ban would be incredibly difficult to come back from, IMO. Only in this sport.
This is kind of a quandary because at the same time I don't take this too seriously... Any privateer can snoot a line of adderall and wash it down with nasal steroids, doubt they'd be able to hang with RD or RV on a 30+2
Either these elite athletes (James Stewart and Brock Tickle specifically) are complete morons who unknowingly put banned substances in their bodies and/or forget to file the proper paperwork... or they are getting caught slipping up. Taking substances at the wrong time. Taking too much of a particular substance...who knows.
I wish they would release how many TUE's have been issued. Not specific names of course...but a list of the TUE's and what they are for specifically would be interesting. I am curious to see how many riders are on banned substances. We know James Stewart wasn't the only one on Adderall at the time of his failed test.
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