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9/28/2021 8:11 AM

Yeah, we know all the Suzuki jokes and I'm by no means a Suzuki fan but I think this team is one to watch. Larry Brooks has been the team manager and now they brought on Kenny Watson so they are putting in a great infrastructure. I hear they are adding another rider but I'm not sure who. Schwartz and Kilroy have both had good results so I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do.

No need to dog on the Suzuki, we have heard it all. All this thread is about is it is good to see a team growing. KW is a big addition and I'm sure the team will be much better funded for the 22 season.

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9/28/2021 8:16 AM

What makes you sure they'll be better funded?

I'm a Suzuki fan, but I can't see them adding much in the way of resources for '22. If/ when that happens, it will likely coincide with a whole new focus on motorcycles in the US.
I think Suzuki motorcycles will be in a holding pattern for a few years.

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9/28/2021 8:20 AM

Falcon wrote:

What makes you sure they'll be better funded?

I'm a Suzuki fan, but I can't see them adding much in the way of resources for ...more

I think Kenny Watson will be big in finding funding.

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9/28/2021 8:32 AM

I’m very interested to see the future of this team. It’s just nice seeing yellow bikes out there. Kenny had always done a good job of getting sponsorship for teams. I’m glad he’s still involved with the sport.

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9/28/2021 8:34 AM

McG194 wrote:

Yeah, we know all the Suzuki jokes and I'm by no means a Suzuki fan but I think this team is one to watch. Larry Brooks has ...more

Carson Mumford appears to be an addition to the team…

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9/28/2021 8:37 AM

I got an up close look at their operation at Hangtown, and I must say that they are killing it with hard work and creativity to get those 250’s to perform the way they do- Schwartz’s bike in particular sounded very healthy up close.

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9/28/2021 8:43 AM

DonM wrote:

Carson Mumford appears to be an addition to the team…

That’s who I thought it was but I didn’t want to say a name I wasn’t sure of.

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9/28/2021 8:52 AM

Falcon wrote:

What makes you sure they'll be better funded?

I'm a Suzuki fan, but I can't see them adding much in the way of resources for ...more

McG194 wrote:

I think Kenny Watson will be big in finding funding.

MotoXXX and manufacturers of black socks and flat bill hats. Maybe a link band or two.

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9/28/2021 9:03 AM

Falcon wrote:

What makes you sure they'll be better funded?

I'm a Suzuki fan, but I can't see them adding much in the way of resources for ...more

McG194 wrote:

I think Kenny Watson will be big in finding funding.

kylemenz1 wrote:

MotoXXX and manufacturers of black socks and flat bill hats. Maybe a link band or two.

Yeah, he didn’t do shit for RCH did he?

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9/28/2021 9:25 AM

McG194 wrote:

Yeah, he didn’t do shit for RCH did he?

It sure worked out good for them didn't it?

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9/28/2021 9:27 AM

I spoke with my wallet and added a Zuk to my garage so yes, they'll have extra funding.

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9/28/2021 9:28 AM

Kilroy Powerhead

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9/28/2021 9:32 AM

i like that team

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9/28/2021 10:06 AM

seth505 wrote:

I spoke with my wallet and added a Zuk to my garage so yes, they'll have extra funding.

Nice!

From a Suzuki diehard - always good to hear! Enjoy it.

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9/28/2021 10:08 AM

DonM wrote:

Carson Mumford appears to be an addition to the team…

This is a good pick up. So will Derek Drake still be on the team. Would be very cool for BarX to have a 4 rider team!

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9/28/2021 10:20 AM

I have nothing against Watson and Brooks, but I am continually amazed at the Industry's lack of willingness to hire external candidates for roles like this. You see the same group of guys jumping from team to team as roles come up and need filled.

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9/28/2021 10:25 AM

mxtech1 wrote:

I have nothing against Watson and Brooks, but I am continually amazed at the Industry's lack of willingness to hire external ...more

Welcome to every industry in the world. Hire who you know because that guy brings his group of contacts etc..

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9/28/2021 10:26 AM

If I putting in the hard work and spending money to run a mx team I sure as hell wouldn’t run Suzuki’s…Why start so far in the hole? Much more time and money being spent to make the bikes competitive that could be better spent elsewhere.

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9/28/2021 10:30 AM

Brad460 wrote:

If I putting in the hard work and spending money to run a mx team I sure as hell wouldn’t run Suzuki’s…Why start so far in the ...more

I feel the same way but we obviously don't know the whole story?

I do wonder though.... Mumford whined about his bike holding him back all year....how much worse is that gonna get now that he's riding a bike 10 years behind the others?

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9/28/2021 10:33 AM

Brad460 wrote:

If I putting in the hard work and spending money to run a mx team I sure as hell wouldn’t run Suzuki’s…Why start so far in the ...more

LungButter wrote:

I feel the same way but we obviously don't know the whole story?

I do wonder though.... Mumford whined about his bike holding ...more

He's got no excuses. Schwartz was podium bound until Mosiman tangled with him.

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9/28/2021 10:44 AM
Edited Date/Time: 9/28/2021 10:45 AM

Brad460 wrote:

If I putting in the hard work and spending money to run a mx team I sure as hell wouldn’t run Suzuki’s…Why start so far in the ...more

1) They have those motors barking.
2) If you are a start up team why not stand out?
3) Suzuki still has fans, why not cater to them?
4) Don't need to waste money on R&D the design is "mature."
5) Who knows if they bought a bunch of JGR parts for pennies on the dollar.
6) It's really not that hard to kickstart a bike.

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9/28/2021 10:46 AM

Brad460 wrote:

If I putting in the hard work and spending money to run a mx team I sure as hell wouldn’t run Suzuki’s…Why start so far in the ...more

How so? They all spend a lot of money on top dollar suspension and they all spend a lot on motor work, how is this bike any different?

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9/28/2021 10:56 AM

Falcon wrote:

What makes you sure they'll be better funded?

I'm a Suzuki fan, but I can't see them adding much in the way of resources for ...more

McG194 wrote:

I think Kenny Watson will be big in finding funding.

Oh, outside funding. Now I get it. Yeah, maybe you have a good point.


For those dissing the RM-Z, keep in mind that no bike - NO BIKE - is prepared to race a national at the pro level in stock trim. Even those which are closer than the Suzuki need a lot of work anyway. Maybe yellow goes well with their branding plan.

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9/28/2021 10:56 AM

kylemenz1 wrote:

MotoXXX and manufacturers of black socks and flat bill hats. Maybe a link band or two.

McG194 wrote:

Yeah, he didn’t do shit for RCH did he?

LungButter wrote:

It sure worked out good for them didn't it?

I may be wrong but I don't think it was a lack of RCH/Watson on this.

They had Ram as a sponsor, but they couldn't really display much other than graphics because Toyota was the series sponsor.
Soaring Eagle and Jimmy John's were co titles at the same time, but from what I remember the JJ thing was more from a relationship with someone on the team/Ricky having them as a sponsor in Nascar. The casino route has played a few times in the industry and has never turned out to be some sort of home run. San Manuel, Soaring Eagle, and the mysterious casino sponsor that kept being thrown around with JGR that didn't happen.

In my opinion to say he didn't do crap from RCH isn't accurate. He did, and with what they were allowed to do in the pits and promotion wise with fans, he did alright.

You can't tell me that at a normal job, if a company sponsored an event/team/etc. and saw little return on their investment, they wouldn't re-up as a sponsor. This isn't just a MX/SX team thing, it's business.

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9/28/2021 11:02 AM

ktm77man wrote:

I may be wrong but I don't think it was a lack of RCH/Watson on this.

They had Ram as a sponsor, but they couldn't really ...more

Ok then....

So how is he going to do anything differently this time?

If it didn't work out when he had RC & Hart involved how much better is it going to be when it's a team without that star power as owners?

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9/28/2021 11:12 AM

LungButter wrote:

It sure worked out good for them didn't it?

ktm77man wrote:

I may be wrong but I don't think it was a lack of RCH/Watson on this.

They had Ram as a sponsor, but they couldn't really ...more

LungButter wrote:

Ok then....

So how is he going to do anything differently this time?

If it didn't work out when he had RC & Hart ...more

Who says it didn't work out?

While it was functioning it worked great, the RCH rig was the place to be in the pits and they had great activation. This team is much smaller scale than RCH with different goals.

Full disclosure This post isn't to stroke KW, I would probably hate him if I knew him and he seems like a basket case but if you listen to him and forget that he is a punk rock guy he's really sharp. Every time I hear him get into a subject I have to remind myself to not judge a book by its cover.

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9/28/2021 11:14 AM

Brad460 wrote:

If I putting in the hard work and spending money to run a mx team I sure as hell wouldn’t run Suzuki’s…Why start so far in the ...more

Well, there is that check and the bikes and the parts that they get...
From Suzuki.
So...

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9/28/2021 11:17 AM

LungButter wrote:

Ok then....

So how is he going to do anything differently this time?

If it didn't work out when he had RC & Hart ...more

For sure not saying that things that Watson (and probably others) didn't pan out. I see both side of the coin though. You can play it a little safer (which for BarX may be what ne needs to do for now) and stay with in the industry, or at the vary least keep it with in a racing type of sort. For example, reading through the des Nations coverage and finding out that F1 driver Kimi Raikkonen has some type of ownership or involvement in Ice One Husky. Kimi understand racing and has connections. If a sponsor or support system could bring that type of pairing, that could be huge.

But the other side, and a saying I have heard in my line of business; "do what your industry does, get what your industry gets." So I can't fault him for trying to bring in larger non-industry sponsors that will, hopefully, see their contracts through and pay on that contract. Too many stories over the years of people in MX/SX getting hung out to dry. If you get a few in that sees a return (which would mean Feld and other promoting bodies lightening up on conflicting series sponsors being the only ones to show product in the pits) then things could possibly change.

Not saying anything will change or even be different this time. I just wanted to say i doubt it's all because of one person.

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9/28/2021 11:21 AM

McG194 wrote:

Who says it didn't work out?

While it was functioning it worked great, the RCH rig was the place to be in the pits and they ...more

Last I checked RCH hasn't been in the pits for a couple years.....so I'd say it didn't work out.....

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9/28/2021 11:54 AM

Curious if Mumford, Drake , Kilroy and if they keep Schwarz will be west and east coast next year ? The bike does not seem to be holding the riders back.

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