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Edited Date/Time 5/3/2012 6:33am
finally the strangle hold has been broken. lets hope the other teams can keep it up
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NoGo 4/28/2012 9:16pm
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not that spectacular. its been done before. still big strangle hold on outdoors. even with an injured wilson they still have rattray and baggett who are proven to be blazingly fast and consistent enough. plus durham now.
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sharkey 4/28/2012 9:23pm
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rattray shouldnt even be in that class still. im sure roczen and a few others will make it rough for them. it just gets old when one team is that dominent thats all
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NoGo 4/28/2012 9:29pm
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its debatable whether rattray should be in the class. especially when people talk shit and say the gps are a joke. hes been in 250 class in america for 4 years now maybe 5? i could be wrong. but he has no titles in america and has had some injury setbacks. theres guys that have been in this class longer than him(sipes, cunningham, lemoine)
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bangmyhead 4/28/2012 9:32pm
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sharkey wrote:
rattray shouldnt even be in that class still. im sure roczen and a few others will make it rough for them. it just gets old when...
rattray shouldnt even be in that class still. im sure roczen and a few others will make it rough for them. it just gets old when one team is that dominent thats all
why should he not be in the lites class?

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sharkey 4/28/2012 10:02pm
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sharkey wrote:
rattray shouldnt even be in that class still. im sure roczen and a few others will make it rough for them. it just gets old when...
rattray shouldnt even be in that class still. im sure roczen and a few others will make it rough for them. it just gets old when one team is that dominent thats all
bangmyhead wrote:
why should he not be in the lites class?
i just think he should move up. raced 3 years mx2 class in europe and 4-5 here, hes plenty ready
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Derpin' DJ 4/28/2012 10:05pm
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He isn't doing it by choice. He would take RV's ride in a flash, but I doubt Mitch would let him now.
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NoGo 4/28/2012 10:05pm
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sipes has been racing the 250 class since '05 same amount as rattray.
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Sherwood 4/28/2012 10:07pm
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NoGo wrote:
sipes has been racing the 250 class since '05 same amount as rattray.
And both should move up.
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NoGo 4/28/2012 10:08pm
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
He isn't doing it by choice. He would take RV's ride in a flash, but I doubt Mitch would let him now.
I really dont think he needs to move up. its not like hes dominating the class either indoors or outdoors, but you saying he isn't doing it by choice is a stretch. he signs his contracts knowing they are for the 250 class.
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Sherwood 4/28/2012 10:09pm
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
He isn't doing it by choice. He would take RV's ride in a flash, but I doubt Mitch would let him now.
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I really dont think he needs to move up. its not like hes dominating the class either indoors or outdoors, but you saying he isn't doing...
I really dont think he needs to move up. its not like hes dominating the class either indoors or outdoors, but you saying he isn't doing it by choice is a stretch. he signs his contracts knowing they are for the 250 class.
He looked for a 450 ride this year but he could only get a 250 ride. It's not by choice.
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NoGo 4/28/2012 10:10pm
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Sherwood wrote:
And both should move up.
based on what? years in the class? neither of them have dominated.
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NoGo 4/28/2012 10:11pm
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He looked for a 450 ride this year but he could only get a 250 ride. It's not by choice.
He couldn't get one or couldn't get one that he wanted? similar to pourcel
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Sherwood 4/28/2012 10:12pm
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Sherwood wrote:
And both should move up.
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based on what? years in the class? neither of them have dominated.
Based on him winning a championship, and the amount of years he's been in the development class. CP's problem was money, not the same as Rattray.
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RealityZ 4/28/2012 10:14pm
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I will take a healthy and confident Barcia/Tomac

over a

questionable PC Team.

Nothing against the guys on PC, but the Hondas look to be considerably stronger this year. With Durham new to the team, Wilson hurt and Rattray not racing in months, that leaves Bagget.
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NoGo 4/28/2012 10:17pm
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Based on him winning a championship, and the amount of years he's been in the development class. CP's problem was money, not the same as Rattray.
He won a GP championship. Whos to say hes not still developing? the argument that kids coming out of amateurs having to race guys who are years older than them and have had more time in the class being detrimental to a young racer is bullshit. what better way to develop than to race against someone who has raced against multiple different champions on both sides of the pond.
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Sherwood 4/28/2012 10:19pm
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Sherwood wrote:
Based on him winning a championship, and the amount of years he's been in the development class. CP's problem was money, not the same as Rattray.
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He won a GP championship. Whos to say hes not still developing? the argument that kids coming out of amateurs having to race guys who are...
He won a GP championship. Whos to say hes not still developing? the argument that kids coming out of amateurs having to race guys who are years older than them and have had more time in the class being detrimental to a young racer is bullshit. what better way to develop than to race against someone who has raced against multiple different champions on both sides of the pond.
I think his results show he's no longer developing. It's time for him to move up.
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NoGo 4/28/2012 10:24pm
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RealityZ wrote:
I will take a healthy and confident Barcia/Tomac over a questionable PC Team. Nothing against the guys on PC, but the Hondas look to be considerably...
I will take a healthy and confident Barcia/Tomac

over a

questionable PC Team.

Nothing against the guys on PC, but the Hondas look to be considerably stronger this year. With Durham new to the team, Wilson hurt and Rattray not racing in months, that leaves Bagget.
Even if it only left baggett thats still someone who many could argue was inconsistent last summer. but he still had 8 moto wins and a healthy gap on 4th in points. and he clearly has no trouble running people down from a ways back.

rattray was out a couple years ago for a few months and still came back out swingin. durham will only be better than he was last year.
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NoGo 4/28/2012 10:31pm
4/28/2012 10:31pm Edited Date/Time 4/28/2012 10:34pm
rattray sat out the whole 2010 lites sx series with an injury. and finished second in the championship.

barcia and tomac were both healthy and confident last year. and produced nothing outdoors. the claim that barcia couldnt contend on account of his "broken wrist" or because he was "sick". doesn't hold alot of weight since he did fine on a heavier and more powerful bike.

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NoGo 4/28/2012 10:35pm
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Sherwood wrote:
I think his results show he's no longer developing. It's time for him to move up.
isn't the main development needed indoors? since everyone grows up riding outdoors. this was only his second year of sx .
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cmess77 4/29/2012 12:40am
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RealityZ wrote:
I will take a healthy and confident Barcia/Tomac over a questionable PC Team. Nothing against the guys on PC, but the Hondas look to be considerably...
I will take a healthy and confident Barcia/Tomac

over a

questionable PC Team.

Nothing against the guys on PC, but the Hondas look to be considerably stronger this year. With Durham new to the team, Wilson hurt and Rattray not racing in months, that leaves Bagget.
*Reads post* "You are kidding right?"
*looks at location* "Oh, nevermind, makes sense now."
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Fearo 4/29/2012 2:51am
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No one should 'move up' unless they wanted too. The 250F class is just as much a pro class as the 450 class. What kind of nazi bullshit is a rule that tells you you can't even ride the CC of your choice?
TripleDigit 4/29/2012 2:52am
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Remember Bagget last year? He's gonna be really wanting it this year,Rattray hasn't exactly had a good run at all really with umpteen injuries but even so I think he's probably been there long enough to be on the 450 by now,he'd do a great job too I'm sure.its a tough call though,he's been solid outdoors when fit

PC could still play a big part championship wise over here,they trimmed Herlings up yesterday and are looking good this year
Firebird77 4/29/2012 2:55am
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sharkey wrote:
rattray shouldnt even be in that class still. im sure roczen and a few others will make it rough for them. it just gets old when...
rattray shouldnt even be in that class still. im sure roczen and a few others will make it rough for them. it just gets old when one team is that dominent thats all
So true about Rattray...Torrents are handy because when Rattray appears for interviews etc, i can just fast forward it...lol
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MR. X 4/29/2012 3:10am
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Fearo wrote:
No one should 'move up' unless they wanted too. The 250F class is just as much a pro class as the 450 class. What kind of...
No one should 'move up' unless they wanted too. The 250F class is just as much a pro class as the 450 class. What kind of nazi bullshit is a rule that tells you you can't even ride the CC of your choice?
nazi ? Are you serious ? Ya the AMA shaves people heads in the center of the street gives them a serial number and then ships them off to the dreaded 450 class where they sure to expire.
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Barrett57 4/29/2012 4:10am
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Sherwood wrote:
I think his results show he's no longer developing. It's time for him to move up.
Im sure he will take your highly valued and experienced opinion into account and make his decision accordingly.
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CBird81 4/29/2012 5:22am
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I thought Rattray was moving up to the 450s for outdoors.
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ATKpilot99 4/29/2012 5:43am
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Fearo wrote:
No one should 'move up' unless they wanted too. The 250F class is just as much a pro class as the 450 class. What kind of...
No one should 'move up' unless they wanted too. The 250F class is just as much a pro class as the 450 class. What kind of nazi bullshit is a rule that tells you you can't even ride the CC of your choice?
What about the age rule for 250fs in the GPs ?
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RDP 4/29/2012 6:59am
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CBird81 wrote:
I thought Rattray was moving up to the 450s for outdoors.
yea i thought i saw an interview where he said he was riding 450s outdoors.
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TeamGreen 4/29/2012 8:21am
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So, we forget that it's been done before...I mean...where did Canard come from...?

Memories are short, around here...the simple fact that PC had a bad year shouldn't be too surprising: It's racing SHIT happens.

BOTH SX Lites titles...woohoo...

Let's see how things go out-doors.

I think we're gonna see more Orange at the front...too...even Malcolm.

But, hey, I could be wrong...

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