Nico Izzi has lost it

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7/30/2015 3:47pm
ACBraap wrote:
Personally, I see quite a distinction between those who start on recreational drugs and make their way to opiates, and those who get there via prescriptions...
Personally, I see quite a distinction between those who start on recreational drugs and make their way to opiates, and those who get there via prescriptions and serious injuries. I have no sympathy for the former. For the latter, IMO, the medical profession has been overly aggressive in prescribing opiate based painkillers, and lax in warning of their dangers.

For me, the last time I was on opiate based painkillers for an injury, I kept a log of how often I was supposed to take a pill and tried to push the intervals farther and farther out. That stuff is scary.
I agree with you although I have no respect for anybody that shoots up on heroin. My mind can't even comprehend why somebody would do that and it's becoming much too common. Like you, I have always tried to take as little pain medication as possible or none at all if I can tolerate it. I'd rather be in pain than start down that path.
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Here's an example from the other side of the over medicating argument. My brother destroyed his leg on his kids yz. Spiral fracture, shattered ankle, lots of hardware. Then he contracted osteomyelitis. Bad news. He underwent 30 surgeries including bone and muscle grafts. Had to wear an external fixator for a year. That was 19 years ago. He has a lifetime script for oxy and hydro. Scared me to death. But he's fine. Takes it when the weather gets damp, lays off them otherwise. Monitored closely by his doctors. Successful businessman in a high pressure profession. Never seen him dopey or anything but sharp and together. Maybe he's just good at hiding it, but I don't think so. He would've tripped up by now. Just because you have access doesn't mean you gotta get hooked.
7/30/2015 4:06pm
There is no excuse for throwing it away. Up until recently I was a "health care professional" in a high stress environment. I had a lot...
There is no excuse for throwing it away.
Up until recently I was a "health care professional" in a high stress environment. I had a lot of patients with drug issues, PTSD, life changing physical injuries etc.
Some guys can deal with it and the weaker ones can't. I know people living without limbs that are super positive about their outlooks and continue to excel, and some guys with fairly minor injuries that just can't man up and come up with every excuse in the book to make people feel sorry for them.
Same thing with PTSD, I know people with "severe" PTSD for practically no reason, and I know guys that have seen and experienced some horrible stuff and they are totally fine. (In fact, I myself have been exposed to some not so awesome things and I just decided that it's life and it won't bother me).
I see people stuck on drugs, and no matter how hard you try to show them what it's doing to their lives, they just won't get off that train, and I find them selfish. Not only are they hurting themselves but everyone else around them that cares.
I understand addictions, but I just can't understand the "victim" mindset that goes along with it. If you REALLY want to be free, you will be. Yes, we are all different and things affect each of us differently, but I see it as weak when you have so much to lose.

I can say this stuff from experience... Aside from a life altering physical injury.
I fought in Afghanistan as a dismounted medic, I've experienced more than enough things that I could use as excuses to have PTSD, a chemical dependency problem etc.
I had surgery last year, and for the first time I was taking an opiate (I rarely drink, I've never done any type of rec drug, even weed) and it didn't take me long to realize how easily I could get addicted. So I stopped, I just dealt with the pain and carried on. So yeah, I see it as weak for people to just give up, especially when they have so much promise.

Those "scum" that don't have much going on in life to begin with, I understand it is their escape from a crappy life, but no, I don't feel sorry for them. Everyone has low points in their life, and sometimes people need help, but unless you put in the effort and a real dedication, I don't have the time.

Really sucks to see someone with so much talent just let it fade away.
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Health care professional?? You seem to need alot more education in addiction. I have the real experience and some of your beliefs are way off!! You...
Health care professional??
You seem to need alot more education in addiction. I have the real experience and some of your beliefs are way off!! You can have your opinions but they aren't factual.
I know a fair bit about addiction, I understand how chemically you get hooked on it, and that for certain people it is nearly instant for them.
However, I'm also a "mind over matter" thinker, and believe that a strong will and character can get you through more than you think is possible.
I have little sympathy for those that choose to take a substance and allow it to destroy their lives, it's not like there aren't warnings all over the place telling you how bad things can get...
Like I said, the one time where I had to take an opiate on a repeated dosage, I realized I was almost getting dependent on it and taking too much of it I stopped. Maybe because I knew how things could have progressed, or the fact that I don't like depending on anything is what made me stop before I got hooked. Can I understand how it happens? Yes, however I don't see how people can just continue without giving a damn about themselves. And I know it isn't an over night task, but it can obviously be done... The only thing stopping addicts is the addict themselves, and I have full respect for those that can get themselves straight.

I'm no longer in a medical trade, I realized I just don't care enough to continue. I saw way too many fakes, too many people trying to abuse the system, and too many people that don't even bother trying to help themselves first...
I'm the kind of guy to risk his own arse when someone actually needs the help and I really, really enjoyed that part of the job... I just have little appreciation for those that don't care enough about themselves. Maybe I wasn't soft enough to look after people.

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7/30/2015 4:06pm Edited Date/Time 7/30/2015 6:53pm
mx836 wrote:
I agree with you although I have no respect for anybody that shoots up on heroin. My mind can't even comprehend why somebody would do that...
I agree with you although I have no respect for anybody that shoots up on heroin. My mind can't even comprehend why somebody would do that and it's becoming much too common. Like you, I have always tried to take as little pain medication as possible or none at all if I can tolerate it. I'd rather be in pain than start down that path.
I've always said I can't imagine anyone getting ready to shoot up for the first time thinking "I know this will turn out well." I am unaware of any heroin success stories.

It is my understanding the people who are hooked on hydrocodone or oxycodone but can't get a script heroin addresses the opiate issue. In those cases the people shooting up for the first time are already hooked on opiates but come on....needles? Seriously?

Why isn't there an investigation underway looking at how this opiate problem got to be so huge? There needs to be people and companies put on trial over this. This is a problem that didn't happen by itself or in a vacuum. I used to say everybody you talk to that was alive in the 70s knows someone that had a dirt bike. Now forty years later almost everybody you talk to knows someone that has struggled with pain pill addiction.
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7/30/2015 4:15pm
I never realized Vital was so full of addiction specialists. Being that you're all so great at it, why don't you go volunteer your time and help people get clean?
7/30/2015 4:24pm
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And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I love thefactorypilot.
Spot on JW.
Wow how do you know who I am !?! You must know me from way back because I don't even go by JW anymore... the J stands for Joseph and I've gone by that since I graduated HS.
7/30/2015 4:25pm
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For those who are interested here is the [url=http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/who-is-responsible-for-the-pain-pill-epidemic]smoking gun[/url] that explains how the big drug companies conspired to get doctors to increase the amount of...
For those who are interested here is the smoking gun that explains how the big drug companies conspired to get doctors to increase the amount of painkiller prescriptions.

Here is a mindblower: A buddy of mine that has a Percocet prescription is required by Ohio law to be drug tested to make sure he is taking the Percocets and not selling them. I had never heard of drug testing to make sure you were taking drugs.
That actually happens a lot... most pain clinics do it, and subutex doctors do it as well.
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7/30/2015 4:27pm
uh, hold up for a sec, you're telling me because I went through horrible cancer and 9 months of chemo and took pain medicine exactly as prescribed and became physically addicted to the medication that I abused the meds? What planet are you living on? bullshit every addiction starts with abuse!
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7/30/2015 4:27pm

Izzi just don't wanna stop.
He's into the party, the laughs, the bitches, the "f@@@ the man" scene.
Like most in that position,
He want's to live that way, and he's not gonna let anyone stop him from doing what he wants to do.

Quitting is just a bad case of the flu, been there.
Blaming all that crap on anybody, or anything but yourself, is for self centered fools and bleeding hearts that buy the sell.
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7/30/2015 4:31pm Edited Date/Time 7/30/2015 4:34pm
The reason for going to heroin is because the other stuff quits working.Its not a want. Its desperation..

Plus, I dont think I've ever talked to an addict who did not have REAL pain issues. Now, about 95% of this pain leaves you once you stop taking whatever it is, but that idea sounds impossible when you're in it.

..Do you guys remember when Rush Limbaugh was addicted? I think he was buying 1000 pills, per month, if not more, and $70,000..unlimited funds tend to do that. The guy destroyed his hearing from abusing pills.

Plus, the pills are hard to get. If you get enough to work, its basically illegal, so there goes that barrier. Its also easier to get, cheaper than multiple doctors, and if your careful, less chance of getting caught vs buying illegal pills.

Its got a dirty reputation, but in reality is just a stronger version of whats "legal". Snorted first, usually, then tats stops working...on up to finally injecting it.

Thats hats the real key. I'm sure he would agree the physical side of the addiction goes away "quickly". The emotional side is whats key.

No one really wants to deal with that, and its still treated from what worked in 1935.

Also, if so much free help is available, why is there list upon list of institutions willing to help for $35,000 month?

I'm not here to defend Izzi. I dont know him.

When you deal with your own addicted loved one, spouse, best friend, or whatever, this is the how and why.

My personal thought was maybe the pain registers differently? You could chop my moms arm off, and she'd be in mild discomfort. A filling in my tooth is a cause for alarm.
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7/30/2015 4:46pm Edited Date/Time 7/30/2015 4:48pm
I will never understand why some people can't read and instead project their own personal biases into discussions.

What is defending to you is understanding to others. There is a difference.
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7/30/2015 4:55pm
mj731 wrote:
I think if you listen to any addiction medical specialists they will tell you that there is a genetic factor for becoming an addict. Some people...
I think if you listen to any addiction medical specialists they will tell you that there is a genetic factor for becoming an addict. Some people can use legal or illegal substances with no problem and others will end up addicted guaranteed. I'm not defending anyone or talking about anyone specific, just stating what I have heard.
And a couple hours research on the Internet will show anyone willing to learn just how complex addiction is.
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7/30/2015 5:18pm Edited Date/Time 7/30/2015 5:19pm
I cant speak for the rest, but at some point "getting high" is a goddamn dream............Its just not possible.

It never works as well as it did the first time, so a high just usually just so-so. You take more, but it never really quite works like the first time...Meanwhile, the brain just keeps saying "one more time" "HIS is it" and "i'm done after this"

Its a horrible life. Never enough. You hope to get through the next 2-3 hours, THEN you'll stop. This dose is the last one....I PROMISE!! No weekends off, 24-7.

As far as a real HARDCORE addict wanting to get high, I've never talked to one who would not sell his/her soul to just get to "normal" and be able to stay there. Thats where the suboxones, and some of the other replacement therapies come in to play. A lot of the political a-holes know best and make this extremely tough to get..way harder to obtain than heroin, which is pretty backwards.

You would not think the journey from there to "normal" would be so difficult, but look at the number of companies making millions trying to get people through that next 30 days without.



7/30/2015 5:26pm
What did the caption even say? And
A. It's clearly a joke. If you find it in poor taste then oh well. He's not hurting anyone. I'm sure you've posted something stupid before.
B. On the flip side horrible joke to make for his daughter to see.
C. I doubt he gives one f$@k about a pro ride.
7/30/2015 6:23pm
DUNGEON

I am surprised shit like this stays up on the forum. I think everybody has rung in on Izzi's personal issues here. Wow.
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7/30/2015 6:25pm
DUNGEON

I am surprised shit like this stays up on the forum. I think everybody has rung in on Izzi's personal issues here. Wow.
Have to agree, it's time to shit can this one.
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7/30/2015 6:42pm
You who have not been so strung out on drugs or alcohol are very fortunate people. Be grateful for that, and don't cast your ignorant judgements on those that are.





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7/30/2015 6:49pm Edited Date/Time 7/30/2015 6:54pm
Thank you for this clarification and best of luck to Shane Bess. .

thefactorypilot-Appreciate the testing information.
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7/30/2015 6:57pm
Most posts are just made to rip on the poster and never touch the subject. I used to believe motocross people were the coolest people on earth. This forum and specifically this thread proves that is not the case.
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7/30/2015 7:13pm
MXD wrote:
I'm not sure anyone chooses addiction. I have been prescribed pain meds many many times in my life and I never once thought "I can't wait...
I'm not sure anyone chooses addiction. I have been prescribed pain meds many many times in my life and I never once thought "I can't wait to get hooked on these things". Luckily for me, I never did get hooked but I can tell you that addiction was the furthest thing from my mind when I took them. I just wanted to feel better and they worked. I imagine that by the time you realize you're hooked, it's too late and the addiction has taken hold. So the initial "decision" all you guys are referencing, your reference is a bit skewed. You're assuming they are deciding to use knowing they will be addicted. That's simply, most often, not the case. They take that initial pill assuming that it will just kill the pain. The rest catches them by surprise.
ACBraap wrote:
Personally, I see quite a distinction between those who start on recreational drugs and make their way to opiates, and those who get there via prescriptions...
Personally, I see quite a distinction between those who start on recreational drugs and make their way to opiates, and those who get there via prescriptions and serious injuries. I have no sympathy for the former. For the latter, IMO, the medical profession has been overly aggressive in prescribing opiate based painkillers, and lax in warning of their dangers.

For me, the last time I was on opiate based painkillers for an injury, I kept a log of how often I was supposed to take a pill and tried to push the intervals farther and farther out. That stuff is scary.
That's because you're intelligent and not an addict. That's exactly what an intelligent and concerned person would do. This is exactly what should be argued. You did exactly what everyone who is prescribed medication should do. But we have people on here basically saying they understand why someone becomes an addict. These ADULTS should take responsibility and do exactly what you did it this situation.
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7/30/2015 7:17pm
Here's an example from the other side of the over medicating argument. My brother destroyed his leg on his kids yz. Spiral fracture, shattered ankle, lots...
Here's an example from the other side of the over medicating argument. My brother destroyed his leg on his kids yz. Spiral fracture, shattered ankle, lots of hardware. Then he contracted osteomyelitis. Bad news. He underwent 30 surgeries including bone and muscle grafts. Had to wear an external fixator for a year. That was 19 years ago. He has a lifetime script for oxy and hydro. Scared me to death. But he's fine. Takes it when the weather gets damp, lays off them otherwise. Monitored closely by his doctors. Successful businessman in a high pressure profession. Never seen him dopey or anything but sharp and together. Maybe he's just good at hiding it, but I don't think so. He would've tripped up by now. Just because you have access doesn't mean you gotta get hooked.
Exactly. Another example of a responsible adult who has self control. He had a horrible accident and didn't use that as an excuse to become a lazy drug addict. He takes his medication responsibility and maintains a successful career. Kudos to him.
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7/30/2015 7:24pm Edited Date/Time 7/30/2015 7:28pm
Nine pages of judgment of someone. I've had issues with alcohol when I was young, some demons.

Unless you are going to help, shut up. Addiction has nothing to do with intelligence, check out Greg Giraldo's life.

My Son has deep depression issues, not his fault. He isn't an addict, I don't know how.


You are in your shoes, he is in his. It's STFU time. Moto or gossip board?
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7/30/2015 7:46pm
DUNGEON

I am surprised shit like this stays up on the forum. I think everybody has rung in on Izzi's personal issues here. Wow.
95 % are people arguing whether addiction is a choice or not.
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7/30/2015 7:48pm Edited Date/Time 7/30/2015 7:53pm
I would bet most of us know someone who has had some type of drug addiction, and it isn't pretty.
I have lost 4 friends from drug addiction.

If everything is true, I hope Nico can get clean before its too late.

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7/30/2015 8:54pm
Forks make people fat. Guns shoot people. Drug ruin lives. I didn't shit my pants, the dog shit my pants. Catlyn Jenner's a hero, and Kanye...
Forks make people fat. Guns shoot people. Drug ruin lives. I didn't shit my pants, the dog shit my pants. Catlyn Jenner's a hero, and Kanye West is talented.

Got it.

Let's take a minute and review that. Heroine. One must find a dealer, meet up with him, pay him with some sort of currency. Then, you draw it into a syringe. Got to find that vein... oh shit, let me get the rubber strap. ok, there's the vein. Now, let me inject this shit directly into my arm. Wait, damn it, i forgot to cook it up. Go get a lighter and something metal. cool, alright...

Yep, it's the heroine's fault for sure.

Such a "victim" society we live in. The kid had life on a silver platter and blew it. Not only do I not have any sympathy, I have ill-will. Because the kid who cross-rutted in moto 3 and got 5th- 6th that year at Loretta's.. it could have been him and he could have done something with a Factory ride other than sit around and be a fucking loser like Izzi and Stroupe both did.

Pull your pants up, America.

Listen to college and tell me Kanye isn't talented.

Nico's career really started to come off the rails when his bike blew up on the face of a triple and he got really busted up. Not trying to defend Nico, but it's not like he had the best luck in the world. The dude needs to get his shit together though. All that regret he probably has from racing is only going to compound if he steals, cheats, and pisses his 20's away.

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