New trend of politics in moto media that's bugging me (For Matthes, Anton, Ping, Cox, DBo, JT and whoever else...)

scott_nz wrote:

yeah. naaa, there is a bit of fairy dust in there, mate. (i have a ex pat south african employee who tells me how bad it...

yeah. naaa, there is a bit of fairy dust in there, mate. (i have a ex pat south african employee who tells me how bad it is there, feel for you guys) Ardern has done a good job fronting it, but the sparkle is starting to fade a bit,

, but we have some very big advantages, mainly that we are a low population on small islands in the middle of the pacific, with very limited access, one level of government (no states to argue with each other) also, we have been well governed for at least the last generation with a low debt so we are in a better position to handle it, what worked here would not work in many bigger countries,

but we are still very early in this, i think the fall out is going to huge as out tourism industry is dead, and it was our biggest foreign money earner,

but I agree with your point, we are dam lucky to be on this island in the middle of the south pacific when stuff like this happens,

scott_nz wrote:

yeah. naaa, there is a bit of fairy dust in there, mate. (i have a ex pat south african employee who tells me how bad it...

yeah. naaa, there is a bit of fairy dust in there, mate. (i have a ex pat south african employee who tells me how bad it is there, feel for you guys) Ardern has done a good job fronting it, but the sparkle is starting to fade a bit,

, but we have some very big advantages, mainly that we are a low population on small islands in the middle of the pacific, with very limited access, one level of government (no states to argue with each other) also, we have been well governed for at least the last generation with a low debt so we are in a better position to handle it, what worked here would not work in many bigger countries,

but we are still very early in this, i think the fall out is going to huge as out tourism industry is dead, and it was our biggest foreign money earner,

but I agree with your point, we are dam lucky to be on this island in the middle of the south pacific when stuff like this happens,

fullfloater wrote:

Did you forget about the other island Scott?

scott_nz wrote:

yeah. naaa, there is a bit of fairy dust in there, mate. (i have a ex pat south african employee who tells me how bad it...

yeah. naaa, there is a bit of fairy dust in there, mate. (i have a ex pat south african employee who tells me how bad it is there, feel for you guys) Ardern has done a good job fronting it, but the sparkle is starting to fade a bit,

, but we have some very big advantages, mainly that we are a low population on small islands in the middle of the pacific, with very limited access, one level of government (no states to argue with each other) also, we have been well governed for at least the last generation with a low debt so we are in a better position to handle it, what worked here would not work in many bigger countries,

but we are still very early in this, i think the fall out is going to huge as out tourism industry is dead, and it was our biggest foreign money earner,

but I agree with your point, we are dam lucky to be on this island in the middle of the south pacific when stuff like this happens,

fullfloater wrote:

Did you forget about the other island Scott?

scott_nz wrote:

Ha ha. You mean waiheke ?

peelout wrote:

people that are intolerant of other's views need to stay off social media. in my opinion, social media is causing more division than any of the...

people that are intolerant of other's views need to stay off social media. in my opinion, social media is causing more division than any of the actual issues in the world.

peelout wrote:

people that are intolerant of other's views need to stay off social media. in my opinion, social media is causing more division than any of the...

people that are intolerant of other's views need to stay off social media. in my opinion, social media is causing more division than any of the actual issues in the world.

Jeremy Macbeth wrote:

Why is anybody over the age of 18 still on social media? Seriously, grow the fuck up. do something useful with your time. Delete your social...

Why is anybody over the age of 18 still on social media? Seriously, grow the fuck up. do something useful with your time. Delete your social media accounts.

Boomslang wrote:

I have family in NZ, they immigrated from SA about 10 yrs ago and say the place is amazing. As I get older a place like...

I have family in NZ, they immigrated from SA about 10 yrs ago and say the place is amazing. As I get older a place like NZ looks appealing. I'm so over travelling back n forth across the US and with all the shite thats going on there I'm not so sure about the "American Dream" anymore.

My only concern I have is to ensure that my two daughters can live their lives in a safe country.

scott_nz wrote:

There are plenty of saffas here , we are lucky that we are a pretty safe peaceful country for sure , it’s a good place to...

There are plenty of saffas here , we are lucky that we are a pretty safe peaceful country for sure , it’s a good place to bring up kids ,

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

It's nearly a 50/50 divide and there's a lot of hate building on both sides. Each side is getting very annoyed by the opposing side and...

It's nearly a 50/50 divide and there's a lot of hate building on both sides. Each side is getting very annoyed by the opposing side and the hate increases every day. I know friends who've ended 10 year relationships over the recent political shit storm.

As for you guys who own businesses like Anton and Engine Ice Dave and are publishing your political views publicly, you are ballsy. You are potentially alienating 50% of your customer base with one little comment.

Thank god I was taught to never speak politics in any business environment. When it comes up at a business lunch I just zip it or deflect because nothing good can come of it.

One of my liberal friends owns a retail business and has been spouting off on social media like we do here under alias names. His business is now taking a hit and he's learned his lesson.

Note to business owners - 50% of our population is a lot of people to alienate.

Suicidal_Tendencies wrote:

It's the meme culture. It's easier to argue with a meme (which is usually not accurate or only partly true), than to think about the issues...

It's the meme culture. It's easier to argue with a meme (which is usually not accurate or only partly true), than to think about the issues for themselves and have an actual dialogue with another person.

scott_nz wrote:

Ha ha. You mean waiheke ?

Suicidal_Tendencies wrote:

It's the meme culture. It's easier to argue with a meme (which is usually not accurate or only partly true), than to think about the issues...

It's the meme culture. It's easier to argue with a meme (which is usually not accurate or only partly true), than to think about the issues for themselves and have an actual dialogue with another person.

scott_nz wrote:

yeah. naaa, there is a bit of fairy dust in there, mate. (i have a ex pat south african employee who tells me how bad it...

yeah. naaa, there is a bit of fairy dust in there, mate. (i have a ex pat south african employee who tells me how bad it is there, feel for you guys) Ardern has done a good job fronting it, but the sparkle is starting to fade a bit,

, but we have some very big advantages, mainly that we are a low population on small islands in the middle of the pacific, with very limited access, one level of government (no states to argue with each other) also, we have been well governed for at least the last generation with a low debt so we are in a better position to handle it, what worked here would not work in many bigger countries,

but we are still very early in this, i think the fall out is going to huge as out tourism industry is dead, and it was our biggest foreign money earner,

but I agree with your point, we are dam lucky to be on this island in the middle of the south pacific when stuff like this happens,

fullfloater wrote:

Did you forget about the other island Scott?

scott_nz wrote:

Ha ha. You mean waiheke ?

huutnanny wrote:

I wish you would of wrote about Malcolm and Big James. What Malcolm did takes guts. He and Jalek Swoll are the only two black pro...

I wish you would of wrote about Malcolm and Big James. What Malcolm did takes guts. He and Jalek Swoll are the only two black pro supercross riders I can think of. There are certainly some racial disparities in motocross and supercross, but it seems like a topic no one wants to report on or talk about.

EngIceDave wrote:

I know the Stewart's never really wanted it to be about race.

At times they couldn't avoid it, but they never went into it headlong

Motodave15 wrote:

Idk why one of my responses were clipped it was eloquently said and actually had no bias or argumentive points calling anybody out in it... Interesting

Motodave15 wrote:

Idk why one of my responses were clipped it was eloquently said and actually had no bias or argumentive points calling anybody out in it... Interesting

-MAVERICK- wrote:

If you quoted a post and that post was deleted, your post automatically goes with it.

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

It's nearly a 50/50 divide and there's a lot of hate building on both sides. Each side is getting very annoyed by the opposing side and...

It's nearly a 50/50 divide and there's a lot of hate building on both sides. Each side is getting very annoyed by the opposing side and the hate increases every day. I know friends who've ended 10 year relationships over the recent political shit storm.

As for you guys who own businesses like Anton and Engine Ice Dave and are publishing your political views publicly, you are ballsy. You are potentially alienating 50% of your customer base with one little comment.

Thank god I was taught to never speak politics in any business environment. When it comes up at a business lunch I just zip it or deflect because nothing good can come of it.

One of my liberal friends owns a retail business and has been spouting off on social media like we do here under alias names. His business is now taking a hit and he's learned his lesson.

Note to business owners - 50% of our population is a lot of people to alienate.

EngIceDave wrote:

No, I don't do it anymore, that was my point, I can't Why I hardly post here, just occasionally in moto. I don't even read non-moto...

No, I don't do it anymore, that was my point, I can't

Why I hardly post here, just occasionally in moto.
I don't even read non-moto

I keep my personal Facebook page politics free. I don't want to read it or discuss it. If someone who's a "friend" (that word is FUBAR now due to FB and online stuff) insists on doing politics, I unfriend. I usually have to do a bunch during election years.

My personal twitter is my news feed, and I read all views and sides, but keep my thoughts off it for the most part. I don't do politics on insta either.

The company ones are 100% no politics.

I learned my lesson. I have had enough people say they'll never buy my products because of something I said on here (or online).

As I said in this thread prior, I used to be able to speak, discuss and argue on here freely, but as time has gone on and the membership, at least the participating membership on the forum, has both grown and changed (many OG's are gone), I had to stop because it was being used against me, to silence me.

I'm not playing "woah is me" here, is what it is, only discussing what the OP was discussing and how its a tough place for those in the industry. Our whole lives is moto, so when we want to discuss what's going on in the rest of the world, we can catch shit for it, either because no one wants to here the "moto guy" talking anything but moto, or because someone will take shots at your livelihood.

I had to make my own little hideaway place, with a few friends, of all kinds of opinions, to be able to speak freely, and even then it doesn't always work out as hoped.

EngIceDave wrote:

No, I don't do it anymore, that was my point, I can't Why I hardly post here, just occasionally in moto. I don't even read non-moto...

No, I don't do it anymore, that was my point, I can't

Why I hardly post here, just occasionally in moto.
I don't even read non-moto

I keep my personal Facebook page politics free. I don't want to read it or discuss it. If someone who's a "friend" (that word is FUBAR now due to FB and online stuff) insists on doing politics, I unfriend. I usually have to do a bunch during election years.

My personal twitter is my news feed, and I read all views and sides, but keep my thoughts off it for the most part. I don't do politics on insta either.

The company ones are 100% no politics.

I learned my lesson. I have had enough people say they'll never buy my products because of something I said on here (or online).

As I said in this thread prior, I used to be able to speak, discuss and argue on here freely, but as time has gone on and the membership, at least the participating membership on the forum, has both grown and changed (many OG's are gone), I had to stop because it was being used against me, to silence me.

I'm not playing "woah is me" here, is what it is, only discussing what the OP was discussing and how its a tough place for those in the industry. Our whole lives is moto, so when we want to discuss what's going on in the rest of the world, we can catch shit for it, either because no one wants to here the "moto guy" talking anything but moto, or because someone will take shots at your livelihood.

I had to make my own little hideaway place, with a few friends, of all kinds of opinions, to be able to speak freely, and even then it doesn't always work out as hoped.

APLMAN99 wrote:

What does OG mean.....?

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Old guard

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Old guard

sumdood wrote:

Old Guard ? Really ? I'm way out of the modern lingo so to speak but for some fuck all reason I thought it was Original...

Old Guard ? Really ? I'm way out of the modern lingo so to speak but for some fuck all reason I thought it was Original Gangster ? I'll take things old people say for 100 Alex

EngIceDave wrote:

No racing to talk about
No real news either

APLMAN99 wrote:

What does OG mean.....?