New motocross era (electric)

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11/6/2018 10:29 AM

Do you think with the latest KTM/Husky release and the new generetion of riders developing their skills on the electric platform, will there be changes/adjustments on current MX techniques?

What are your thoughts...

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11/6/2018 12:00 PM

Yes. Within a few years, we'll be making fun of the "Four Stroke Taliban," whose members maintain that the older technology is better.

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11/6/2018 12:03 PM

I see a lot more backyard tracks happening. Especially with the lack of places to ride these days. I would have been pumped if they had these when i was a kid!

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11/6/2018 12:06 PM

If it means more local tracks then I’m all for it. The idea of being able to ‘map’ it like a 2t or 4t at the flick of a switch is quite cool as well.
Possibility of indoor/hire places like you get with go-karts could help bring people to the sport as well.

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11/6/2018 12:09 PM

Andy_Greenney wrote:

If it means more local tracks then I’m all for it. The idea of being able to ‘map’ it like a 2t or 4t at the flick of a switch ...more

Why would you take all of the benefits of an electric motor and kill them by mapping it like a 2 stroke? I’ll take my max torque at 0 RPM

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11/6/2018 12:11 PM

zehn wrote:

Why would you take all of the benefits of an electric motor and kill them by mapping it like a 2 stroke? I’ll take my max ...more

The same reason people still ride two strokes instead of four strokes, because you can and it’s enjoyable if not as fast. The point really is that they are massively tuneable for each riders ability/wishes.

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11/6/2018 12:12 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/6/2018 12:14 PM

Kids starting out on e-bikes now, will consider it "normal" to keep riding e-bikes as they grow older and move up to bigger bikes.

Just like the very early 2000's when competitive 4 strokes were "new", only a few start out on them but as the technology improved everyone moved to the 4 stroke as the new norm.

This is the beginning of the e-bike becoming the new norm. Another 10 years and they will be the majority. Just like 2 strokes today, there will always be the old school sticking with the ICE machines but to kids growing up on an e-bike the ICE bikes will be dinosaurs. Very loud and obnoxious dinosaurs...

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11/6/2018 12:14 PM

Andy_Greenney wrote:

If it means more local tracks then I’m all for it. The idea of being able to ‘map’ it like a 2t or 4t at the flick of a switch ...more

zehn wrote:

Why would you take all of the benefits of an electric motor and kill them by mapping it like a 2 stroke? I’ll take my max ...more

Because you can!
Today i wanna ride "2-stroke", tomorrow "4-stroke" and after that something else.
Do it how you like it...

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11/6/2018 12:18 PM

Falcon wrote:

Yes. Within a few years, we'll be making fun of the "Four Stroke Taliban," whose members maintain that the older technology is ...more

and then 2-strokes will be primed for a big return and everyone will have to suck it because they really are the best thing since sliced bread anyways.

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11/6/2018 12:20 PM

Riding around in the back yard or at a local park just became a viable option for a ton of kids, what’s not to love about that? Plus dad isn’t stuck changing filters and oil all the time now either.

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11/6/2018 12:28 PM

If riding electric bikes means my future kids have more options to ride places than I do right now, it sounds great. It probably will allow places much closer to cities which makes for short commutes for a lot of us. I’m not gonna lie, driving 2ish hours each way to a track gets kinda old.

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11/6/2018 12:35 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/6/2018 12:35 PM

Any detailed links to the bikes?

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11/6/2018 3:10 PM

Less missed shifts. Do you think in 35 years that people will be getting Alta graphics re-printed and putting them on their new electric motorcycles?

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11/6/2018 3:46 PM

Cool for city kids but IMO pro racing will be gas engines. People pay to see Tomac go balls to the wall on a 450. An e bike race just sounds boring as hell...just like e car racing. Cool to have but I just see it as a way to sell a few more bikes to kids that just couldn't have a gas bike in their subdivision.

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11/6/2018 5:12 PM

AZ35 wrote:

Kids starting out on e-bikes now, will consider it "normal" to keep riding e-bikes as they grow older and move up to bigger ...more

I'm not so sure you're correct about electric mx bikes becoming the new norm in 10 short years. That is a lot different from going from 2-strokes to four-strokes. Electric cars are still a tiny drop in the ICE car population, and are still bought by mostly environmentally conscious early adopters (Something like 80% of EV owners make more than $100k a year). That demographic is almost entirely absent from the dirt biking public (we like motors). And the figurehead EV bike manufacturer just rode off a cliff.

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11/6/2018 5:44 PM

Unfortunately in 10-15 years there will not be motocross ! This generation is already so pussyfied and the next one will be even worse. Everybody will be on their phone all the time . Motocross will be history like gladiators. Ha ha

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11/6/2018 7:47 PM

I think they’ll have their place, probably a pretty large one, but I can’t see an elimination of gas motorcycles happening.

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11/6/2018 7:49 PM

Look at how Luna Cycles is working with Asian companies to bring great quality ebikes to the US. The Sur-Ron MX is my next bike. I will keep my Motocross bike but this I can hit local mountain bike trails and backwoods. It so quiet, no one will care. They even have them with pedals, so it is a bicycle.

https://lunacycle.com/sur-ron-mx-electric/

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11/6/2018 8:14 PM

They are not going to catch on like some of you think. No way in hell they take over unless the companies can no longer sell IC engines legally.

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11/6/2018 8:23 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/6/2018 8:28 PM

Biggest question I have is what will be the price of the electric bikes? Im guessing we are looking at an MSRP of around $5-6k. The MSRP on a 2019 KTM 50 SX is $4299. Think about that, that is the same as a FULL SIZE 125 in the early 2000s.

Shoot, I got a two year leftover (brand new) CR 125 for $3,000 before taxes in 2005.

I'm all about electric if it allows us more places to ride, but I think the manufacturers might see a drop in sales when they have 50's for say $5,500.

But who knows, vehicle prices have probably gone up proportionally in that time and the manufacturer's there are still selling new trucks every year. Without doing any research I wonder what the length of vehicle ownership has become since 2000 though.



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11/6/2018 9:05 PM

I can't keep silent any longer about the subject of electric MX bikes and for that matter all electric vehicles.
The internal combustion engine will never go away in our or our children's lifetime. It is and will be the most viable form of travel for many lifetimes.
Facts Tesla in trouble, hybrid sales tanking, Alta closing. The fact is that racing Motorsports is and will not ever be conducive to electric. No feathering clutches, no feeling the rev of the bike and the fact is if you want to kill the sport fully try selling tickets to that show.
You don't have to look far Formula E they can't sell a single ticket.
RBSR another example
There are other forms of alternatives that will launch well more successful than electric.
Alternative fuels will be the next in line. Not NGL's or LPG's but hydro is next.
Do research on lead ore and lithium strip mining and the damage is a 100 times more to the environment than oil exploration.
Stop selling what no one is buying.
Oh and by the way before you start slamming on me I have more involved in this field than 99.9999% of all of you. I am the President of a Battery Company in the US, so I have a lot of equity in the subject

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11/6/2018 9:15 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/6/2018 9:19 PM

AZ35 wrote:

Kids starting out on e-bikes now, will consider it "normal" to keep riding e-bikes as they grow older and move up to bigger ...more

NorCal 50+ wrote:

I'm not so sure you're correct about electric mx bikes becoming the new norm in 10 short years. That is a lot different from ...more

You can add that those numbers are hugely inflated due to government subsidies and being able to use the car pool lane. Until battery technology doubles, they are not going to replace gas unless the government forces it.

edit: Honest question for someone who has an Alta. If you and a buddy went on a trail ride and did exactly the same things, how much fuel does he have left when you run out of battery?

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11/6/2018 11:20 PM

The closing of Alta should be enough to show that we’re not ready to make the switch to electric motorcycles. It may happen eventually but certainly not within the next ten years.

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11/6/2018 11:58 PM

milamcreek wrote:

I can't keep silent any longer about the subject of electric MX bikes and for that matter all electric vehicles.
The internal ...more

Agreed - Cost is the main factor which means the game plan of 'climate change' is by taxing the poor on CO2 which is not a pollutant but what plants live off - So that they can funnel the funds from the poor to the elites like Musk etc that sign deals with Barry types that use legislation to support their own green investment portfolios.
So it is only affordable to the wealthy will the poor cannot afford the energy but they get punish for using cheap energy like lighting a fire so the wealthy can suck them dry.

Do some research on Blood Cobalt from the DRC. You are by no means the moral superior if you use electric ! In fact one can argue that it is immoral.

The cost to the environment to produce an electric vehicle v using an ICE vehicle is only seen after 5 to 17 years.

New ICE technology like Ford eco boost are making good headway into real world economy solutions.

2 stroke by the fact it costs less to run will do more to grow the sport of MX than introducing more costs such that fewer people can participate in the sport !

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11/7/2018 1:28 AM

milamcreek wrote:

I can't keep silent any longer about the subject of electric MX bikes and for that matter all electric vehicles.
The internal ...more


And what is a hydro fuel cel producing?
Right electricity.
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11/7/2018 6:24 AM

craigathan404 wrote:

If riding electric bikes means my future kids have more options to ride places than I do right now, it sounds great. It ...more

Right, I hate driving. Been taking my kids to bmx more lately, couple tracks close.

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11/7/2018 7:34 AM

milamcreek wrote:

I can't keep silent any longer about the subject of electric MX bikes and for that matter all electric vehicles.
The internal ...more

alex69 wrote:
And what is a hydro fuel cel producing?
Right electricity.

No I have been working with a company for years that has produced an engine chevy 350 that runs on water that's right water hydro h2o. This technology is not new it has been around for along time. However this group has just about perfected it.
Breakdown water and what do you have the cleanest burning fuel ever oxygen and hydrogen
This technology has been muffled for a while but look to this coming forward soon.

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11/7/2018 7:52 AM

In my area, we need to figure out a way to lessen the liability risk to the city's and counties. We have tons of county land that we could ride on but can't because of liability. I have land but don't worry about loud four strokes, I worry about getting sued.

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11/7/2018 8:22 AM

racingfortheson wrote:

Look at how Luna Cycles is working with Asian companies to bring great quality ebikes to the US. The Sur-Ron MX is my next ...more

i don't know what the MTB scene is like in Texas but you wouldn't make it very far on the trails in UT without being stopped and authorities called. very strong limits on motorized vehicles up here. that said there are plenty of trails that allow motorcycles, and as long as the battery life is good it would be a blast

that thing looks cool as crap

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11/7/2018 8:33 AM

racingfortheson wrote:

Look at how Luna Cycles is working with Asian companies to bring great quality ebikes to the US. The Sur-Ron MX is my next ...more

peelout wrote:

i don't know what the MTB scene is like in Texas but you wouldn't make it very far on the trails in UT without being stopped ...more

We don't have just random places to ride here in East Texas. I have like 9 MX tracks within 2hrs, but public dirtbike trails really don't exist around here. They make a pedal kit for the bike, so they couldn't say anything, lol.

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