New format for MXoN

berniepiet
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9/24/2019 2:29pm
The current formula for the motocross of nations dates back to when there was a 125, 250, and 500 cc class. It made sense back then to have one rider from each class. Simple, right?

Now we have three riders from each nation but two of them are on a 450, or “open” class bike. Why not change it up and have 250 4 stroke, 450 4 stroke And a rider on a two stroke. In the United States we have a 125 cc support class at some nationals, and last year they had an EMX 300 2 stroke class at some of the GPs.

I think it would make it a little more exciting and give an opportunity for some different riders to get on the team. What say you?
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Beeby
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9/24/2019 2:34pm
Never gonna happen. Rules out a huge amount of potential riders that ride for manufacturers that don’t produce a current two stroke. Move on
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This comes up every year when it’s MXoN time. And I kind of like that. But I am also pretty satisfied with how it works right now.
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500guy
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9/24/2019 2:34pm
2 strokes are dead Bro
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9/24/2019 2:37pm
Just no.
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berniepiet
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Beeby wrote:
Never gonna happen. Rules out a huge amount of potential riders that ride for manufacturers that don’t produce a current two stroke. Move on
Well, that’s kind of the point. We need to put pressure on the manufacturers that don’t make two strokes to start making them.
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9/24/2019 2:39pm
berniepiet wrote:
Well, that’s kind of the point. We need to put pressure on the manufacturers that don’t make two strokes to start making them.
More like 250, 450, Electric
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9/24/2019 2:40pm
Beeby wrote:
Never gonna happen. Rules out a huge amount of potential riders that ride for manufacturers that don’t produce a current two stroke. Move on
berniepiet wrote:
Well, that’s kind of the point. We need to put pressure on the manufacturers that don’t make two strokes to start making them.
Why would an OEM be encouraged to make a bike they don’t want to make by an event two thirds the size than it is now?
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9/24/2019 2:44pm
berniepiet wrote:
Well, that’s kind of the point. We need to put pressure on the manufacturers that don’t make two strokes to start making them.
Do we really
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9/24/2019 2:50pm
The VMXDN covers the 2 strokes and does it quite well.
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As a huge fan of 2-strokes with 2 of em in his garage, no thanks.
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9/24/2019 4:10pm
All three classes are two stroke eligible. Don’t forget an RM250 made it into the A main last year.
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This is something I’ve suggested before. Its just plain stupid to have two 450 classes. The FIM appears to still embrace the two strokes in their racing programs so why not provide an outlet for those racers to represent their country? It’d also likely put the US riders at a disadvantage compared to many of the euro countries.
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9/24/2019 5:37pm
No change is needed to the classes. Only change needed is make it a non profit event for the promoter like it is for the teams. If the riders do this for free nobody should be making a cent off of it.
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The MXoN might have 99 problems, but the lack of two-strokes ain't one.
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This is something I’ve suggested before. Its just plain stupid to have two 450 classes. The FIM appears to still embrace the two strokes in their...
This is something I’ve suggested before. Its just plain stupid to have two 450 classes. The FIM appears to still embrace the two strokes in their racing programs so why not provide an outlet for those racers to represent their country? It’d also likely put the US riders at a disadvantage compared to many of the euro countries.
The open class is not a 450 class. Most people choose 450s, but there's nothing stopping them from riding a 250F, 250 2-stroke, etc.
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New format for mxon: it comes to north america more than once every 10 years
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9/24/2019 7:17pm
Beeby wrote:
Never gonna happen. Rules out a huge amount of potential riders that ride for manufacturers that don’t produce a current two stroke. Move on
berniepiet wrote:
Well, that’s kind of the point. We need to put pressure on the manufacturers that don’t make two strokes to start making them.
Considering that some of the teams won't even send their riders I am not sure they are going to feel a lot of pressure to put a two stroke mx bike back in production for a one off race.

Requiring a two stroke team member would more likely pound another nail in the relevancy of the mxon by making the teams exclusively ktm/hus mounted.
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9/24/2019 8:29pm
berniepiet wrote:
Well, that’s kind of the point. We need to put pressure on the manufacturers that don’t make two strokes to start making them.
early wrote:
More like 250, 450, Electric
Soon.
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Questionmarks are good. Please use them accordingly.
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9/24/2019 10:57pm
kb228 wrote:
New format for mxon: it comes to north america more than once every 10 years
It was there 3 times in 11 years. That’s at least the same as any other country has hosted the event
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9/25/2019 4:21am
It needs to go back to two weekends and 4 man teams. Trophy Des Nations first weekend on the 250s and Motocross Des Nations the second weekend on the 450s. Or do it on one weekend on Saturday and Sunday Wink
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It needs to go back to two weekends and 4 man teams. Trophy Des Nations first weekend on the 250s and Motocross Des Nations the second...
It needs to go back to two weekends and 4 man teams. Trophy Des Nations first weekend on the 250s and Motocross Des Nations the second weekend on the 450s. Or do it on one weekend on Saturday and Sunday Wink
We already got
- MXoEN with 2x85ccm riders running two heats and 125-2T+250-4T guys running two heats together from each nation
- WMXoEN with 2 girls from each nation running (i think) two heats together (USA does participate in this)

this is gonna be held in Poland week after MXoN this year

We don't need more events for the sake of having events.
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9/25/2019 4:44am
It needs to go back to two weekends and 4 man teams. Trophy Des Nations first weekend on the 250s and Motocross Des Nations the second...
It needs to go back to two weekends and 4 man teams. Trophy Des Nations first weekend on the 250s and Motocross Des Nations the second weekend on the 450s. Or do it on one weekend on Saturday and Sunday Wink
There is neither the rider participation or fan interest that there was back in the 70’s and 80’s to make this work now
9/25/2019 5:03am
like the second US team, lubongoes total control, the open class is a joke.
they are warts on what should be a huge showcase to the world of "our" great sport, but small minds with big money rule.
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It needs to go back to two weekends and 4 man teams. Trophy Des Nations first weekend on the 250s and Motocross Des Nations the second...
It needs to go back to two weekends and 4 man teams. Trophy Des Nations first weekend on the 250s and Motocross Des Nations the second weekend on the 450s. Or do it on one weekend on Saturday and Sunday Wink
RG1 wrote:
There is neither the rider participation or fan interest that there was back in the 70’s and 80’s to make this work now
Rain on my parade why don't ya! Lol I know there is no chance in hell but I can dream can't I?
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It needs to go back to two weekends and 4 man teams. Trophy Des Nations first weekend on the 250s and Motocross Des Nations the second...
It needs to go back to two weekends and 4 man teams. Trophy Des Nations first weekend on the 250s and Motocross Des Nations the second weekend on the 450s. Or do it on one weekend on Saturday and Sunday Wink
RG1 wrote:
There is neither the rider participation or fan interest that there was back in the 70’s and 80’s to make this work now
Rain on my parade why don't ya! Lol I know there is no chance in hell but I can dream can't I?
You can dream. Although it might be more realistic to dream about a time machine that can take you back to when it was a reality Grinning
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9/25/2019 6:01am
kb228 wrote:
New format for mxon: it comes to north america more than once every 10 years
RG1 wrote:
It was there 3 times in 11 years. That’s at least the same as any other country has hosted the event
And before that it was 20 years. A different country in europe is equal to going to another state in the USA. Its basically a home race every time over in europe.
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9/25/2019 6:11am
kb228 wrote:
New format for mxon: it comes to north america more than once every 10 years
RG1 wrote:
It was there 3 times in 11 years. That’s at least the same as any other country has hosted the event
kb228 wrote:
And before that it was 20 years. A different country in europe is equal to going to another state in the USA. Its basically a home...
And before that it was 20 years. A different country in europe is equal to going to another state in the USA. Its basically a home race every time over in europe.
Try telling that to a Dutch sand rider rattling around a hard pack track in the South of France, or an Italian hard pack specialist buried up to his nuts at Lommel...
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9/25/2019 6:15am
...and as for all races in Europe being home races. Go to Russia, Spain, Belgium and Great Britain, then come back and tell us how similar they all are.
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