New bike: Dual Sport. What do you ride?

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4/30/2021 6:41 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/30/2021 7:38 AM

Well, its been 7 years since I have ridden moto. Between having kids and focused on my career it just got away from me. My dad and brother are both in to dual sport riding and I am intrigued. Now that my son has a PW I am just itching to ride!! I want to be able to go on the dual sport rides but also ride some moto.

I am 6'1 230 and 32. When I quit riding I was a mid pack B guy.

There is a Honda dealer about an hour from where I live but other than that I am traveling 2-3 hours for anything else.

I am open to the Austrian brands, the Honda 450RL, or even a Beta.

Thoughts?

Edit: Needs to be street legal.

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I'm not a squid.. just a really fast jellyfish.

4/30/2021 6:51 AM

Are you wanting a two stroke or 4 stroke? Definitely not that Honda unless you are riding mostly on the street

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4/30/2021 7:01 AM

I'd have a hard time not doing business with Storm Lake Honda if I lived in NW Iowa. Where can you ride off-road around there, these days?

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4/30/2021 7:06 AM

Showroom stock the Beta is hard to beat with a 1 year warranty. KTM/Husky are great but require tinkering to unlock the power.
If your state is tag friendly and you are OK with DIY, the Honda CRF450RX is a good bike.

Lot's of selection, but poor inventory right now. Having a dealer nearby is over rated in the modern world.

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4/30/2021 7:07 AM

CRF450L

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4/30/2021 7:11 AM

Husky 501 is cool

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4/30/2021 7:15 AM

The 450L is an awesome bike, like the others in that plated dual sport category they’re a bit gutless in stock trim but can be opened up to the excitement factor we all get from our 450 track bikes.

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4/30/2021 7:19 AM

For a guy your size, you would fit the CRF450X well. I build bikes for customers- mostly Honda but I ride the other brands on occasion. The CRF450X is a great platform. It's almost identical to the CRF450RL, just less "stuff".
Put a license plate holder on the rear fender and dual-sport all day. If the plate is a challenge in Iowa, you can get one from South Dakota through the mail.

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4/30/2021 7:29 AM

DaveB771 wrote:

I'd have a hard time not doing business with Storm Lake Honda if I lived in NW Iowa. Where can you ride off-road around there, ...more

Yes,I live a little more than a hour away from Storm lake Honda
I would be there talking to Jeff and getting a CRF450L
The Ft Dodge OHV park is close to you
MX track,Lots of trails,,,Fun place to off road ride

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4/30/2021 7:34 AM

Let's be honest, the 450L is a pig. Get the X.

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2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart

4/30/2021 7:40 AM

DaveB771 wrote:

I'd have a hard time not doing business with Storm Lake Honda if I lived in NW Iowa. Where can you ride off-road around there, ...more

shue415 wrote:

Yes,I live a little more than a hour away from Storm lake Honda
I would be there talking to Jeff and getting a CRF450L
The Ft ...more

Yeah great people for sure! Just not sure the RL is the bike for me compared to the Austrian bikes. My family rides quite a bit in WI so the bike needs to be plated.

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I'm not a squid.. just a really fast jellyfish.

4/30/2021 7:41 AM

I am 6’1 220 32 years old, I have a ktm 2017 exc500f with super moto and dirt set up. I might sell I live in North Western IL. Fmf vortex uncorked bike.

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4/30/2021 7:46 AM

Do you need to have the emission stuff to be street legal or just Lights, Horn, Brake Light, Turn Signals?

That has a big impact on what bikes are available.

In Idaho we don't need the emission stuff, that allowed me to get a 500xcw and plate it instead of an EXC, I fricken' love it. Torque for days, lugs around awesome, doesn't have "arm jerking" power that wears you out and it cruises down the pavement at 70mph if I need it to on 14-50 gearing.

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4/30/2021 7:48 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/30/2021 7:48 AM

My KTM 500exc was the jam. sold it as those pesky kids took too much of my time... want another one though

People will talk about need to remap and do all this "stuff" to it but unless you are really going to dog it out you don't need to. Mine ran just fine Box Stock --- maybe a little hot in traffic

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4/30/2021 7:48 AM

DaveB771 wrote:

I'd have a hard time not doing business with Storm Lake Honda if I lived in NW Iowa. Where can you ride off-road around there, ...more

shue415 wrote:

Yes,I live a little more than a hour away from Storm lake Honda
I would be there talking to Jeff and getting a CRF450L
The Ft ...more

JG463 wrote:

Yeah great people for sure! Just not sure the RL is the bike for me compared to the Austrian bikes. My family rides quite a ...more

Can you plate a two stroke in WI? If not then the Beta is the best plated bike out of the box by far. I just went through this same decision and even though 3 brothers KTM is in my backyard I couldn’t force myself to buy any of the choked up street legal versions of the Austrian brands even though I was set on Husky before I learned what Beta was doing. You have your choice between a 350, 390, 430, and 500 as well.

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4/30/2021 7:57 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/30/2021 7:58 AM

EXC 500 is my choice. It’s been a Bullet Proof bike and has never let me down. I’ve owned the ‘07 525, ‘09 530, ‘14 500, ‘17 500 and now a ‘20 500. The new bike is incredible, but keep in kind you will need to get a Vortex ECU and a muffler to uncork the power. Money well spent...

https://www.vitalmx.com/community/langhammx,27612/setup,86780

I’d seriously consider the 350, if you’re not planning on being on the highway / freeways. I’ve been riding a 350 at the track and will never own another 450 track bike. There’s just no need for that much power for me. I’ve ridden the 350 EXC on a few trips to Costa Rica and that bike was perfect for the riding we do. Even then, with either bike (500/350), you’ll be in the higher RPM range on the highway. 14/50 gearing is the best combo for what I do, but I rarely hit the highways much.

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4/30/2021 8:04 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/30/2021 8:05 AM

My 450L does everything: moto, desert, trail. With just a few mods (most of them free), it’s nearly as light as a stock 500 EXC-F, but with fantastic reliability, longer maintenance intervals, and significantly better road manners. Photo
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4/30/2021 8:08 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/30/2021 8:10 AM

Zachintosh wrote:

My 450L does everything: moto, desert, trail. With just a few mods (most of them free), it’s nearly as light as a stock 500 ...more

Great photos! Which mods did you do?

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4/30/2021 8:15 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/30/2021 8:21 AM

I really wanted to like the CRF450l but after leaning them over side by side I bought the EXCF 500. I was more concerned with riding in the dirt. (I had the for to go wfo license plate on our sports car but speeding tickets took all the fun out of that car so we went back to a mom bomb. The plate didn't really work on it so I transferred it to the bike)
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4/30/2021 8:18 AM

If you want an unbiased recommendation, contact Jimmy Lewis with DirtBikeTest
Nobody rides more off-road bikes than Jimmy.

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4/30/2021 8:18 AM

Zachintosh wrote:

My 450L does everything: moto, desert, trail. With just a few mods (most of them free), it’s nearly as light as a stock 500 ...more

You were able to shave 38lbs off your Honda 450L?

The Honda 450L at 278lbs is known as a pig for this reason. It's a street bike that can go in the dirt, whereas the other bikes are dirt bikes that can go on the street.

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4/30/2021 8:23 AM

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

You were able to shave 38lbs off your Honda 450L?

The Honda 450L at 278lbs is known as a pig for this reason. It's a street ...more

It is a pig. But that said, you should see Ian Young ride his 450L on the national track at Glen Helen. Big strong dudes don't seem to mind the weight of that bike.

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4/30/2021 8:25 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/30/2021 8:45 AM

I have Husaberg FE650 with supermoto tires. It's a real beast for a bike
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4/30/2021 8:30 AM

I have a KTM 1090 and a 450 SX-F. If I had a gun pressed to my head and was told I could only have 1 bike, it would be the Husky FE501 without question.

Given that it sounds like you want to ride moto, you will want the linkage rear suspension and for the money I would take the Husky over the 450X/L at that point. It's a proven platform that you can make as fast as you can afford lol

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If it can't be fixed with a hammer, it's an electrical problem.

4/30/2021 8:32 AM

Dirt Bike Test Wins Glen Helen 24hr Enduro on a Beta 430

"The Beta 430 RR-S is an absolute pleasure to ride. It does everything well and felt at home on everything from fast roads to the national MX track. It runs great and handles well in a wide variety of conditions. It’s light and nimble in the tight and technical sections and when the trail gets rough, it soaks up the chop so remarkably well that every rider mentioned it in their review. The Beta proved to be very reliable and even after 24 hours of straight abuse, it seemed ready for more. Before we started, we wondered if it could be so versatile that it really could do it all, like the Swiss Army knife of motorcycles. Could we really ride it ride it to the race, then not just ride the event, but race it, hard, and then ride it home? Turns out we could, and we did."

Strangely DBT hasn't tested one since '17.
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2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart

4/30/2021 8:34 AM

Xeno wrote:

It is a pig. But that said, you should see Ian Young ride his 450L on the national track at Glen Helen. Big strong dudes don't ...more

Yes of course you can jump pigs and ride them fast and there are pros who could ride a Dakar bike fast at Glen Helen if they desired but let's be real. Why would you consider a 450L unless you are riding on the street or dirt roads 90% of the time? If one is looking for a dirt bike that can go on the street then the 450L shouldn't even be in the discussion.

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4/30/2021 8:39 AM

Zachintosh wrote:

My 450L does everything: moto, desert, trail. With just a few mods (most of them free), it’s nearly as light as a stock 500 ...more

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

You were able to shave 38lbs off your Honda 450L?

The Honda 450L at 278lbs is known as a pig for this reason. It's a street ...more

You might be comparing dry weight to wet weight. We put both bikes on scales, full of fuel and ready to ride. The stock 2019 500 EXC-F came in at 262 lbs, while my 450L came in at 266.

It’s not a street bike that can be used in dirt. It’s a 450X with street legal kit.

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4/30/2021 8:42 AM

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2015 Beta 500 RS, history: 99 KTM 300, 87 CR250, 84 KLR 600, 82 GPZ 550, 81 KX 250, 80 KX 250, 79 Montesa 414 VE, 78 250 VB, 77 360 VB, 76 360 VA, 75 YZ 125, 74 TM 125, 72 TS 125, 60's West Bend Go Boy Kart

4/30/2021 8:45 AM

sumdood wrote:

I really wanted to like the CRF450l but after leaning them over side by side I bought the EXCF 500. I was more concerned with ...more

I love your blinkers...I wish I could find some for the beta like that but we don't have the vertical real estate on the side of our rear fenders. I'm going to fab some tiny LED's on mine that are easily removable.

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4/30/2021 8:49 AM

Zachintosh wrote:

My 450L does everything: moto, desert, trail. With just a few mods (most of them free), it’s nearly as light as a stock 500 ...more

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

You were able to shave 38lbs off your Honda 450L?

The Honda 450L at 278lbs is known as a pig for this reason. It's a street ...more

Zachintosh wrote:

You might be comparing dry weight to wet weight. We put both bikes on scales, full of fuel and ready to ride. The stock 2019 ...more

450L without fuel: 278lbs
500 EXC without fuel: 240.3lbs

This would put your bike at 290.6lbs with 2gal of fuel so you must have shaved 24.6lbs off your bike somehow.

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