New Yamaha GNCC / Hare Scramble weapon..

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10/16/2014 7:48am
Interesting...

The list price is more than the YZ250F motocross bike.
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10/16/2014 7:50am
Suzuki is dropping a road-registerable RMX450 this year. Plus this thing.

It means Japan is finally starting to sweat KTM. We the consumers ultimately win.

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10/16/2014 7:51am
Cygnus wrote:
Fail!
Hardly.

Yamaha is doing what no other Japanese manufacturer is doing, putting money back into the off road market. I think this is a great move by yamaha. Bike looks like legit, 6 speed, 18" rear wheel, and electric start? If it was orange people would be saying how smart it is to cater to peoples needs and wants. As soon as a blue bike does it, its a fail?

Its already the best 250f motocrosser, so why not tweak it to make it applicable to the off road market (which is HUGE, look at KTM's sale). Its the same formula KTM uses, start with a great base with a mass run of identical bikes and parts, create minor tweaks to each base type to fit the needs of the niche markets.

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10/16/2014 8:04am
Looks good but they need to also do it with the yz250.

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10/16/2014 8:15am
Though this seems small it is a huge step for Yamaha. It is awesome to see the manufacturers taking notice of the consumers demand. These bikes will sell out and others will follow.
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10/16/2014 8:24am
I've been wanting to do SSS internals in my 350, may just have to switch bikes...
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10/16/2014 8:42am
Cygnus wrote:
Fail!
Why do you say that? I think it's great that Yamaha is investing in another segment of the market. Wide ration transmission, wiring for an extra cooling fan, larger fuel capacity...sounds like someone other than KTM are interested in off-road. Around here the off-road races crush motocross as far as attendance goes and the races are dominated by KTM.

This seems like a big win in my book. Thanks Yamaha!
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10/16/2014 8:53am
I'm not as knowledgeable on the off-road side of things, but hasn't Honda been offering a CRF250X (and 450X) with 18" rear wheel, e-start, wide-ratio tranny, etc., for years now?
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10/16/2014 9:05am
Cygnus wrote:
Fail!
I know some off roaders killing it on th new Yamaha 250F and was hoping this bike would come out without all the lights and crap. They will sell a lot of these bikes.
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10/16/2014 9:13am
It's about 50 lbs lighter than my DRZ400, I wonder how the power compares. The DRZ puts out around 35hp I think, very torquey.

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10/16/2014 9:22am
That might be the ugliest motorcycle produced. Nice to see more development for the off-road bikes though.
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10/16/2014 9:22am
about 5 pounds lighter than the carburated 250x and 5 pounds heavier than the KTM 250xcf-w. Great to see the tuning fork company kicking butt on the 4 stroke only company that sells cars.
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10/16/2014 9:25am
GrapeApe wrote:
I'm not as knowledgeable on the off-road side of things, but hasn't Honda been offering a CRF250X (and 450X) with 18" rear wheel, e-start, wide-ratio tranny...
I'm not as knowledgeable on the off-road side of things, but hasn't Honda been offering a CRF250X (and 450X) with 18" rear wheel, e-start, wide-ratio tranny, etc., for years now?
Racer X provided some on point commentary to go along with the press release:

Big deal here. For years KTM has owned the majority of the off-road market by making racing-focused machines, while the Japanese brands usually shade their off-road bikes a little further toward the trail riding side of the market. As a result, most off-road racers who use Japanese bikes usually just use the motocross version as a base.

Yamaha is changing that with the new YZ250FX, which is a closed-course competition off-road racer. No lights, minimal off-road fluff, just an engine and suspension retuned for off-road racing, coupled with electric start. It's a motocross bike massaged just enough to race cross-country events, which is something KTM has been doing for a decade with its XC line. This bike is a direct shot at those KTMs. We haven't seen a Japanese brand make an off-road bike that wasn't designed for green-sticker emissions compliance, or came without lights, in a long, long time.

Yamaha is also redesigning the WR250F, which is a more traditional off-roader with lights and emissions compliance. Both new bikes are based on the YZ250F, which was redesigned last year with considerable success. No word on if a 450 is coming at any point.

Here's the official PR announcing the new bikes. We'll see if it signals any sort of shift in a market KTM usually dominates.
10/16/2014 9:26am
Kudos to the Yamaha camp! Closed course off road bike on the showroom floor. Hopefully the rest will follow and the outrageous price of KTM's will drop.
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10/16/2014 9:33am
GrapeApe wrote:
I'm not as knowledgeable on the off-road side of things, but hasn't Honda been offering a CRF250X (and 450X) with 18" rear wheel, e-start, wide-ratio tranny...
I'm not as knowledgeable on the off-road side of things, but hasn't Honda been offering a CRF250X (and 450X) with 18" rear wheel, e-start, wide-ratio tranny, etc., for years now?
the Honda X's are soft, friendly, portly trail bikes. This Yamaha appears to be more akin to KTM's XC line, which are essentially motocross bikes with off-road bits like a bigger tank, different transmissions, softer suspension settings, and 18" rear wheels.

Even Yamaha's recently re-designed WR 450 is no where near as racy as KTM's XC bikes This new Yamaha seems to be.

I think it's a great new direction for Yamaha and I hope we see both a 450 version and some sort of YZ 250 2-stroke version as well.
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10/16/2014 9:42am
O___o wrote:
Suzuki is dropping a road-registerable RMX450 this year. Plus this thing.

It means Japan is finally starting to sweat KTM. We the consumers ultimately win.

It's far from a commercial success down here RMX 450 Z 272.8 lbs vs 450 EXC 244.2 lbs
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10/16/2014 10:01am Edited Date/Time 10/16/2014 10:01am
O___o wrote:
Suzuki is dropping a road-registerable RMX450 this year. Plus this thing.

It means Japan is finally starting to sweat KTM. We the consumers ultimately win.

steed 2.0 wrote:
It's far from a commercial success down here RMX 450 Z 272.8 lbs vs 450 EXC 244.2 lbs
It might not compare competitively, but it is pretty obvious that Japan is starting to raise an eyebrow to KTM.
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10/16/2014 10:07am Edited Date/Time 10/16/2014 10:07am
good for Yamaha for stepping up and providing a competitive alternative for the offroad market.

not a huge fan of the Honda X models, they're heavy as fuck (sorry Ridge)... would be interested to see how these perform offroad.
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10/16/2014 10:22am
I like this, hopefully the rest of the Japanese brands follow suit. If they start doing this with the two strokes you'll know they mean business.
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10/16/2014 10:53am Edited Date/Time 10/16/2014 10:53am
Kudos to the Yamaha camp! Closed course off road bike on the showroom floor. Hopefully the rest will follow and the outrageous price of KTM's will...
Kudos to the Yamaha camp! Closed course off road bike on the showroom floor. Hopefully the rest will follow and the outrageous price of KTM's will drop.
our local KTM shop is selling 2015 250 XC-Fs for $7,999. Not that much of a price difference. good to see another company throwing their hat into the ring, they do need an offroad 250 2T if they wanna do real damage.
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10/16/2014 10:59am
My comment was because the link goes to the main Yamaha page not the off-road page and not even a picture. Op sucks at the internet.
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10/16/2014 11:58am Edited Date/Time 10/16/2014 12:04pm
Cygnus wrote:
My comment was because the link goes to the main Yamaha page not the off-road page and not even a picture. Op sucks at the internet.
Link doesnt seem to work on phones. Goes right to the bike page on IE and Firefox. "Smartphone" user fail.
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10/16/2014 12:03pm Edited Date/Time 10/16/2014 12:03pm
The bike has he magic button, gotta love e start!
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10/16/2014 12:22pm
Cygnus wrote:
My comment was because the link goes to the main Yamaha page not the off-road page and not even a picture. Op sucks at the internet.
WhiteTaco wrote:
Link doesnt seem to work on phones. Goes right to the bike page on IE and Firefox. "Smartphone" user fail.
At least I know how to post pics.Tongue



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10/16/2014 2:50pm
Very easy for the manufacturers to do, not like in the old days or the kx kdx, rm pe, yz it and cr xr.......There were totally different bikes within the same brand.

Not sure why with a KTM you can get a plate in most states even with a two stroke and with the jap bikes, the Cert of Orig say "offroad only". There is some kind of a difference there, and perhaps its just happenstance. However, for a large portion of the offroad market, we still have to slap a plate on there.
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10/16/2014 3:25pm
peelout wrote:
good for Yamaha for stepping up and providing a competitive alternative for the offroad market. not a huge fan of the Honda X models, they're heavy...
good for Yamaha for stepping up and providing a competitive alternative for the offroad market.

not a huge fan of the Honda X models, they're heavy as fuck (sorry Ridge)... would be interested to see how these perform offroad.
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10/16/2014 3:36pm
No idea why some are chiming in with negativity, unless they are one of those that pay attention to moto only.

This is great, and is an impressive move by Blue. The WRs never interested me at all (way too heavy and too much unnecessary stuff added for no reason), but a stripped-down, focused off-road version is a stellar idea.

I'm pretty loyal to KTM, but this thing is enticing.
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10/16/2014 8:25pm
Wow, this is a game changer. The rising sun awakens. I'm looking for more motor though..

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