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2/1/2018 4:53 AM
Edited Date/Time: 2/1/2018 9:58 AM

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2/1/2018 4:59 AM

Is this a lower performance model than the previous models that Josh Hill and a few Vital members have? It almost reads like a faster model and they are claiming that it’s designed to run with250f’s. With 50 HP and almost 150 lb ft of torque, it will make minced meat out of a 450 let alone a 250. Alta is going to do to the 4 stroke MX bikes what the 4 strokes did to the 2 strokes.

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2/1/2018 5:00 AM

I like everything about it except the price tag

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KX125

2/1/2018 5:01 AM

downard254 wrote:

Is this a lower performance model than the previous models that Josh Hill and a few Vital members have? It almost reads like a faster model and they are claiming that it’s designed to run with250f’s. With 50 HP and almost 150 lb ft of torque, it will make minced meat out of a 450 let alone a 250. Alta is going to do to the 4 stroke MX bikes what the 4 strokes did to the 2 strokes.

This is more than likely the model Hill has been riding. It’s higher performance than the current bike that Ben990 & a few other guys on here own. Longer range & more power at approx. 6lbs less weight.

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2/1/2018 5:04 AM

Hmm, 50hp and aiming to compete with the 350s. The current gen 350 has around 54-55hp?

Is this still a bike that would be eligible in a 250 class?

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2/1/2018 5:10 AM

Really encouraging to see the continuing development in such a short cycle. It appears a lot of the development cost ends up in the price, since the AER's don't nearly account for that much difference.

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2/1/2018 5:54 AM

I like everything except the 260 pound “wet” weight...

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2/1/2018 5:58 AM

observeroffacts wrote:

I like everything except the 260 pound “wet” weight...

What’s the wet weight of the heaviest 450? Also the weight isn’t sloshing around

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2/1/2018 6:04 AM

downard254 wrote:

Is this a lower performance model than the previous models that Josh Hill and a few Vital members have? It almost reads like a faster model and they are claiming that it’s designed to run with250f’s. With 50 HP and almost 150 lb ft of torque, it will make minced meat out of a 450 let alone a 250. Alta is going to do to the 4 stroke MX bikes what the 4 strokes did to the 2 strokes.

I've often wondered the same thing about if this will be the nail in the coffin for four strokes. Mitch Payton told Ivan Tedesco in 2004 that the KX125 was basically maxed out and that they had a ton of development to do on the 250F. The sky is the limit with this technology. What sucks for us is there aren't any viable competitors to help keep the price point in check.

Someone has mentioned retrofitting older bikes, and I think that will be a big thing. Time will tell. I'm glad to see the prices coming down on these things but I feel bad for the guy who already spent 15K on them and they dropped to 10.5k already.

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2/1/2018 6:10 AM

According to their spec it’s 9lbs heavier than a 2018 CRF450 with a full tank of gas. Drop kick the Warp9 wheels and I bet you get a few lbs closer. Considering no internal combustion engine rotating mass and no gas tank to put weight up high I bet it feels much lighter than it is while in motion.

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2/1/2018 6:14 AM

downard254 wrote:

Is this a lower performance model than the previous models that Josh Hill and a few Vital members have? It almost reads like a faster model and they are claiming that it’s designed to run with250f’s. With 50 HP and almost 150 lb ft of torque, it will make minced meat out of a 450 let alone a 250. Alta is going to do to the 4 stroke MX bikes what the 4 strokes did to the 2 strokes.

TJMX947 wrote:

I've often wondered the same thing about if this will be the nail in the coffin for four strokes. Mitch Payton told Ivan Tedesco in 2004 that the KX125 was basically maxed out and that they had a ton of development to do on the 250F. The sky is the limit with this technology. What sucks for us is there aren't any viable competitors to help keep the price point in check.

Someone has mentioned retrofitting older bikes, and I think that will be a big thing. Time will tell. I'm glad to see the prices coming down on these things but I feel bad for the guy who already spent 15K on them and they dropped to 10.5k already.

It sucks but you always pay a premium when you want to be one of the first to buy something like this. you have to expect and understand that prices will come down after the initial sales frenzy dies down.

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2/1/2018 6:32 AM

nytsmaC wrote:

It sucks but you always pay a premium when you want to be one of the first to buy something like this. you have to expect and understand that prices will come down after the initial sales frenzy dies down.

Yep definitely.

I wonder how much a new battery pack would cost if a guy bought a used one of these in a few years? Any Alta owners have this info? Probably can look it up but my "internetting" hands are fat and lazy.

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2/1/2018 6:39 AM
Edited Date/Time: 2/1/2018 6:43 AM

They just dropped the prices by almost $5k. Minus oil, gas, air filters, top ends, etc... it's a better buy than a four stroke. I believe the battery is rated to last 3000 hours. That's a long time.

HP is not nearly as important or as impressive as 147ft/lbs of torque. That's actually pretty incredible.

Fact of the matter is I was going to buy either a new Yamaha or Suzuki but the price drop has changed all of that.

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2/1/2018 6:46 AM

nytsmaC wrote:

According to their spec it’s 9lbs heavier than a 2018 CRF450 with a full tank of gas. Drop kick the Warp9 wheels and I bet you get a few lbs closer. Considering no internal combustion engine rotating mass and no gas tank to put weight up high I bet it feels much lighter than it is while in motion.

Exactly! I haven't ridden one since they aren't available in Europe but i would guess that it feels just as light as the average 250?

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2/1/2018 7:01 AM

You guys do realize they are spending a ton in R&D right? That fleecing customers because there "Is no viable competition," isn't the reality. Some of the junk posted on here sometimes....

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2/1/2018 7:17 AM

Johnny Depp wrote:

Really encouraging to see the continuing development in such a short cycle. It appears a lot of the development cost ends up in the price, since the AER's don't nearly account for that much difference.

Agreed. It’s cool to see how far they have come. The price is fair IMO. The service interval is 1000 hours. Am I reading it wrong. Tires, brakes, and suspension maintenance only for 1000 hours?

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2/1/2018 7:21 AM

I wish Alta where on the stock exchange, i'd be throwing down some investment which would likely see huge returns in 5-10 years for sure!!

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2/1/2018 7:35 AM

147lb ft of torque is more than my 4 cylinder s10 i use to haul 1 or 2 bikes and gear and people to the track!

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2/1/2018 8:28 AM

I texted my bros and said I was selling my 250 and 450, they laughed. I want to test ride in the spring before I make any rash decisions...But, I am thinking its going to happen sooner than later.

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Tomac and/or Anderson for 2020.....

2/1/2018 8:36 AM

did I read that right 1.4-hour recharge, is that how long to recharge or how long it will last? Either way, this would not work in time for motos 2, would need another battery I guess. I really want one for a long trail ride, but running out the battery is just not an option. Easier to bring extra gas.

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2/1/2018 8:36 AM

The moment when the next evolution in battery technology is released, is the moment when we're going to start seeing REALLY competitive E-bikes.

Building a capable electric motor is light work, the problem is the huge, awkwardly shaped and heavy battery. Next-gen tech will probably allow for 5-10 times the energy density at a fraction of the weight.
Think 200 pound motorcycles with 450 destroying power that can ride for an hour straight.

Unfortunately, current lithium battery tech seems pretty much maxed out. There have been some trials with graphene but nothing crazy. The likes of Tesla and Apple are pumping billions into developing the next mainstream ready battery tech and when that day arrives, there will be a HUGE revolution in a bunch of markets, including motocross bikes.

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*Anyone but Reed or Webb Crew*

2/1/2018 8:47 AM

Here ye here ye, it's time for another rogue Tingo QnA with Marc from Alta. You know, since the powers that be never did the official one. Get in here Marc and tell us about this new bike.

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2/1/2018 8:48 AM

Forty wrote:

Agreed. It’s cool to see how far they have come. The price is fair IMO. The service interval is 1000 hours. Am I reading it wrong. Tires, brakes, and suspension maintenance only for 1000 hours?

The things like tires, chain and sprockets, suspension need to be replaced/maintained like on any gas bike. The battery and the motor on the Alta are the pieces that have the high service interval.

I have almost 80 hours and 1000 miles on mine, and it still runs like it did off the showroom floor.

I get pissed now when I have to clean the air filter and change the oil on my son's KX85!

BobPA, you can come up to NY and ride mine if you want.. and then when you are sold on it we can head over to the local Alta dealer about 10 minutes away and get you one!

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2/1/2018 8:54 AM

ben990 wrote:

The things like tires, chain and sprockets, suspension need to be replaced/maintained like on any gas bike. The battery and the motor on the Alta are the pieces that have the high service interval.

I have almost 80 hours and 1000 miles on mine, and it still runs like it did off the showroom floor.

I get pissed now when I have to clean the air filter and change the oil on my son's KX85!

BobPA, you can come up to NY and ride mine if you want.. and then when you are sold on it we can head over to the local Alta dealer about 10 minutes away and get you one!

These things are getting more tempting every week! First the price drop now an updated model! Seriously impressive. Im looking to do a demo day in spring also.

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2/1/2018 8:56 AM

Moto_Geek wrote:

did I read that right 1.4-hour recharge, is that how long to recharge or how long it will last? Either way, this would not work in time for motos 2, would need another battery I guess. I really want one for a long trail ride, but running out the battery is just not an option. Easier to bring extra gas.

The 1.4 hour recharge is from a completely empty battery.

I raced my Alta last year several times at local motocross races, and it was no problem charging the battery between motos with a generator. I raced 2 classes, so the race day was A morning practice followed by 4 motos, and at a couple races I did 3 classes ( which is 6 motos for you folks that are bad at math ).

On a side note, 3 classes at 52 years old makes Monday kinda hard!

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2/1/2018 9:14 AM

Moto_Geek wrote:

did I read that right 1.4-hour recharge, is that how long to recharge or how long it will last? Either way, this would not work in time for motos 2, would need another battery I guess. I really want one for a long trail ride, but running out the battery is just not an option. Easier to bring extra gas.

ben990 wrote:

The 1.4 hour recharge is from a completely empty battery.

I raced my Alta last year several times at local motocross races, and it was no problem charging the battery between motos with a generator. I raced 2 classes, so the race day was A morning practice followed by 4 motos, and at a couple races I did 3 classes ( which is 6 motos for you folks that are bad at math ).

On a side note, 3 classes at 52 years old makes Monday kinda hard!

What classes did you race in?

With the bike not being homologated I could see that being an issue especially if you beat some local guys on gas bikes.

We are out for a year or so due to my sons injury but if they had a class to race in I would definitely consider one.

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2/1/2018 9:14 AM
Edited Date/Time: 2/1/2018 9:31 AM

I think with the new Alta we are going to see similar revolution in our sport what Yamaha YZ400F caused twenty years ago

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2/1/2018 9:20 AM

Can anyone explain how the 240v charging works? I'm assuming they are using the standard locking 30amp plug found on most generators? Anyone have pics of this charging system?

I have a 50amp outlet in my garage to charge my Teslas. Anyone know if I can plug into that outlet? It's a NEMA 14/50 if that helps.

Did the recharge time on 120v speed up as well?

Can you charge 120v or 240v or do you have to pick one when you order?

If you want to charge on 120v and 240v will you need to order a 120v and 240v specific charger? Or does the 240v charger have provisions for charging on 120v?

Jason

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2/1/2018 9:24 AM

The only time I can notice the heaviness of the Alta is on wall jumps out of a corner. Thats the only time the inertia feels different too. I ride in mode 3, but prefer mode 4 if the battery didnt die so fast. With that said the Alta is really fun to ride.

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2/1/2018 9:28 AM

I wonder if it would be legal to race in an enduro or hare scramble? I feel the hp and torque of the Alta would be ideal for an experienced woodsman such as myself.

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