New AMA Rule for amateur competition

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12/14/2020 12:12 PM

"All helmets must be intact and no modification may be made to their construction that alters the helmet from the condition it was tested and approved. The helmet is made to provide protection and is not a platform to attach foreign objects. For example, cameras or other accessories are NOT permitted to be attached to the rider’s helmet."

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12/14/2020 12:19 PM

Does this include attaching cameras with double sided tape? Tape doesn't alter the helmet per say.
What about visor extenders? Vent plugs? Camelbaks?

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12/14/2020 12:21 PM

Bummer, but I get it. It's technically true that a rigid object affixed to the helmet's shell can create a focal point for energy to transfer into the helmet. Plus, there are plenty of other options for cameras.
It sounds like this applies to helmet fins, as well.

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12/14/2020 12:22 PM

By the wording, I would say no GoPro cameras anymore.

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12/14/2020 12:22 PM

Luckily I mount mine to the visor. . .

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12/14/2020 12:27 PM

colintrax wrote:

Does this include attaching cameras with double sided tape? Tape doesn't alter the helmet per say.
What about visor extenders? Vent plugs? Camelbaks?

I think it would depend on how the local ref interprets it, but it specifically says cameras . I know Roger DeCoster won't let his riders have cameras anymore. Some put foam on their helmets for mud racers and what about the little Mohawk things kids sometimes stick on? I get the safety part, but hope they don't carry it too far.

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12/14/2020 12:39 PM

colintrax wrote:

Does this include attaching cameras with double sided tape? Tape doesn't alter the helmet per say.
What about visor extenders? Vent plugs? Camelbaks?

mx317 wrote:

I think it would depend on how the local ref interprets it, but it specifically says cameras . I know Roger DeCoster won't let his riders have cameras anymore. Some put foam on their helmets for mud racers and what about the little Mohawk things kids sometimes stick on? I get the safety part, but hope they don't carry it too far.

We can assume itll be taken too far. Always the case when rules/laws are made too vaguely.
I can support banning cameras and lit pros on the exterior of the helmet. But this rule would include extensions on visors. Who is that protecting?

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12/14/2020 12:54 PM

They're saying no cameras, no fin, no nothing

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12/14/2020 12:55 PM

colintrax wrote:

Does this include attaching cameras with double sided tape? Tape doesn't alter the helmet per say.
What about visor extenders? Vent plugs? Camelbaks?

mx317 wrote:

I think it would depend on how the local ref interprets it, but it specifically says cameras . I know Roger DeCoster won't let his riders have cameras anymore. Some put foam on their helmets for mud racers and what about the little Mohawk things kids sometimes stick on? I get the safety part, but hope they don't carry it too far.

colintrax wrote:

We can assume itll be taken too far. Always the case when rules/laws are made too vaguely.
I can support banning cameras and lit pros on the exterior of the helmet. But this rule would include extensions on visors. Who is that protecting?

I don't think the visor is tested as part of the helmet, only the shell

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12/14/2020 1:03 PM

Falcon wrote:

Bummer, but I get it. It's technically true that a rigid object affixed to the helmet's shell can create a focal point for energy to transfer into the helmet. Plus, there are plenty of other options for cameras.
It sounds like this applies to helmet fins, as well.

Michael Schumacher would agree with this unfortunately

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12/14/2020 1:04 PM

100 ft. jump, no problem. A sticker on your helmet, no way, too dangerous!

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12/14/2020 1:13 PM

Good call AMA! Wait..you mean safety takes priority over getting the Social Media Video? what is the world coming to!

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12/14/2020 1:32 PM
Edited Date/Time: 12/14/2020 1:33 PM

NITRODOG wrote:

Good call AMA! Wait..you mean safety takes priority over getting the Social Media Video? what is the world coming to!

I know much of the footage is used for social media, but I do think they are beneficial in a capacity beyond that. I don't own a go pro but have used one once and could not believe when re-watching it how poor my line choices were. So many times I would assume which line I would take only to watch myself on video choose a much worse line. Same goes for re-watching yourself get passed and consider what could have been done differently. Excellent too for learning and developing race craft I believe.

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12/14/2020 1:37 PM

colintrax wrote:

Does this include attaching cameras with double sided tape? Tape doesn't alter the helmet per say.
What about visor extenders? Vent plugs? Camelbaks?

Camera under the visor works.

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12/14/2020 2:05 PM

There is a city/town in CA that has an ordinance that is the exact same, but it's more vague. At least this says cameras. It has to be tied to a law suit or legal ruling somewhere, and that the sanctioning body of an industry needs to modify it's safety legal terms for monetary reasons. If it's a true safety issue, then I'd like to see data statistics on helmet tech with and without "attachments" adhered to helmets. Also why now, why not years ago? Also if it's about safety for the AMA, what about age limits for Amateur racing. Most states don't allow a person under the age of 16 to operate a vehicle, why is this any different. Maybe start racing under a permit process at 14, then get a license to complete at 16. It's for safety's sake, right.

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12/14/2020 2:09 PM

NITRODOG wrote:

Good call AMA! Wait..you mean safety takes priority over getting the Social Media Video? what is the world coming to!

Little RedDogs video was to much for some to handle 🤣

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12/14/2020 2:43 PM

You guys know they make chest mounts right? Non-issue really. Easter egg: that's the Vital MX RMZ450 w/Cone Valves in front of me. Braapt.

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12/14/2020 2:48 PM

I run mine on the front plate. Photo

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12/14/2020 2:48 PM
Edited Date/Time: 12/14/2020 2:50 PM

colintrax wrote:

Does this include attaching cameras with double sided tape? Tape doesn't alter the helmet per say.
What about visor extenders? Vent plugs? Camelbaks?

mx317 wrote:

I think it would depend on how the local ref interprets it, but it specifically says cameras . I know Roger DeCoster won't let his riders have cameras anymore. Some put foam on their helmets for mud racers and what about the little Mohawk things kids sometimes stick on? I get the safety part, but hope they don't carry it too far.

Loretta Lynn pw class will now have engines apart and those Mohawks in the impound cell.

Vurb is finally back and now can’t mount on helmets. Tough gig.

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12/14/2020 3:09 PM

Lucky Go Pro donates to the pro-series, otherwise they would've banned them from pros also....I mean there must be a reason it's not safe for an amateur but ok for a pro, right?

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12/14/2020 3:12 PM

yak651 wrote:

Lucky Go Pro donates to the pro-series, otherwise they would've banned them from pros also....I mean there must be a reason it's not safe for an amateur but ok for a pro, right?

Who says they won’t? Like others have said, they can be mounted elsewhere.

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12/14/2020 3:37 PM

You guys are trying to rationalize nonsense. There is a motive here but you'd be a fool to think it was for safety. In states like Ohio, the AMA fought for the right of the rider to decide if they want to wear a helmet or not while operation their bike on the street. It is because of the AMA, Ohio and other states have a no helmet law. The AMA fought for it, hard and diligently. LOL It is beyond baffling to me that you guys can even consider this as a safety move on the part of the AMA.

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12/14/2020 3:50 PM
Edited Date/Time: 12/14/2020 3:51 PM

FlickitFlat wrote:

You guys are trying to rationalize nonsense. There is a motive here but you'd be a fool to think it was for safety. In states like Ohio, the AMA fought for the right of the rider to decide if they want to wear a helmet or not while operation their bike on the street. It is because of the AMA, Ohio and other states have a no helmet law. The AMA fought for it, hard and diligently. LOL It is beyond baffling to me that you guys can even consider this as a safety move on the part of the AMA.

So what is the goal in AMA's grand plan in banning amateurs from wearing helmet cams?

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12/14/2020 4:08 PM

Some neat conspiracy theories going on in here, per usual, but... it's just that, conspiracy theories.

We're seeing similar rules / recommendations adopted in other sports that the AMA has zero 'influence' in. Also some of the leading representatives of our moto industry helmet brands are vehemently against having cameras on helmets, from a safety POV. So much so there is extremely heated discussions behind closed doors and some top factory riders aren't allowed to wear helmet cams if they are riding in said helmet companies products.

But yeah... sure.

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12/14/2020 6:40 PM

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12/14/2020 6:44 PM

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

Mount I made up for my son just last week. Photo
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12/14/2020 6:48 PM

This has me so upset that I won’t be able to watch endless videos of someone’s front fender....all kidding aside its a good move to take the cameras off the helmet. DeCoster made the mounts for the fender which is the view that Deegan has been using recently...

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12/14/2020 6:51 PM

4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:

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I have a setup that allows me to mount my camera to the handlebars it came in my attachments package with my camera

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12/14/2020 6:54 PM

It’s funny how it’s unsafe, but yet they sure do like to show the course preview before the race from a GoPro, or the Garmin. And sometimes show the LitPro data. Oh wait they get advertising dollars for that...

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12/14/2020 7:05 PM

mizzou489 wrote:

It’s funny how it’s unsafe, but yet they sure do like to show the course preview before the race from a GoPro, or the Garmin. And sometimes show the LitPro data. Oh wait they get advertising dollars for that...

Never did for the LITPro.

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