New 450 weight.

jsmi33966 wrote:

I was out at rio bravo in Houston a few weeks ago and I rode my dads 2008 cr450 that has only a TI/CF exhaust a...

I was out at rio bravo in Houston a few weeks ago and I rode my dads 2008 cr450 that has only a TI/CF exhaust a KYB swap and JM suspension revalve. Next I rode my friends 2018 cr 450 brand new stock. There was no question in my mind the 08 was faster. My dad is 65 and retired so his 08 CR is tuned perfect but my dad has also set up my friends suspension. The 2018 just felt like a fat pig with decent horsepower but as far as handling the 08 was much better to me and the 08 just looks tiny in comparison to the 2018.

What do yall think of the steady increasing weight of the bikes? The carborated 450s had plenty of power for me and I don't know about yall but I don't need electric start. When I crash in a race I'm not worried about getting the bike started for points I'm worried about making it to work.

I wish some manufacture would focus on weight and price besides KTM.

walent215 wrote:

Its amazing how different people " feel" about the ergos, weight, etc about different bikes. This is no arguement with you by any means but i...

Its amazing how different people " feel" about the ergos, weight, etc about different bikes. This is no arguement with you by any means but i have owned/ rode/ raced many of the bikes you have just listed and " feel" the bikes are much different than you describe.

H4L wrote:

Yep. He sounds young & probably doesn't have the experience to really understand. Believe it or not there are still people out there that feel the...

Yep. He sounds young & probably doesn't have the experience to really understand.

Believe it or not there are still people out there that feel the 08 CRF450r model is still the best 450 made. I owned one & never understood the hype. I actually liked the 06 out of the carbed models the best.

jsmi33966 wrote:

Honestly I am not getting down with "it feels light". I would rather see a new bike come out and they say "it is light". That...

Honestly I am not getting down with "it feels light". I would rather see a new bike come out and they say "it is light". That thing did not feel light to me it felt like a pig. But to each their own, I'm just sharing my experience I know my lap times were faster on the 08 may have been a 60 year old man set up and KYB suspension.

To me is like, from college physics Newtons law of motion still applies. I'm sure central mass helps but in Physics mass is mass does not matter if it "feels light".

Sorry for being a hater I love motocross and I know I was faster on the old bike.

walent215 wrote:

Actually i was referring to your opinions on the noted bikes.

jsmi33966 wrote:

Weren't the 06 and the 08 the same generation frame just cam and ignition changes right? I could be wrong

walent215 wrote:

Actually i was referring to your opinions on the noted bikes.

H4L wrote:

LOL ! I stand by my statements & comments..

jsmi33966 wrote:

I was out at rio bravo in Houston a few weeks ago and I rode my dads 2008 cr450 that has only a TI/CF exhaust a...

I was out at rio bravo in Houston a few weeks ago and I rode my dads 2008 cr450 that has only a TI/CF exhaust a KYB swap and JM suspension revalve. Next I rode my friends 2018 cr 450 brand new stock. There was no question in my mind the 08 was faster. My dad is 65 and retired so his 08 CR is tuned perfect but my dad has also set up my friends suspension. The 2018 just felt like a fat pig with decent horsepower but as far as handling the 08 was much better to me and the 08 just looks tiny in comparison to the 2018.

What do yall think of the steady increasing weight of the bikes? The carborated 450s had plenty of power for me and I don't know about yall but I don't need electric start. When I crash in a race I'm not worried about getting the bike started for points I'm worried about making it to work.

I wish some manufacture would focus on weight and price besides KTM.

walent215 wrote:

Its amazing how different people " feel" about the ergos, weight, etc about different bikes. This is no arguement with you by any means but i...

Its amazing how different people " feel" about the ergos, weight, etc about different bikes. This is no arguement with you by any means but i have owned/ rode/ raced many of the bikes you have just listed and " feel" the bikes are much different than you describe.

vetmxr wrote:

I have found that guys that have just committed time and money to a new bike of their choice, will only say that its the best...

I have found that guys that have just committed time and money to a new bike of their choice, will only say that its the best thing since sliced bread. Only after many years have past will they admit it was not that good.

But really now......even if your riding the 'worst' machine of the bunch.......your still riding and having fun on a pretty sweet dirt bike. Every one of them regardless of color, is a hoot to ride..

jsmi33966 wrote:

Honestly I am not getting down with "it feels light". I would rather see a new bike come out and they say "it is light". That...

Honestly I am not getting down with "it feels light". I would rather see a new bike come out and they say "it is light". That thing did not feel light to me it felt like a pig. But to each their own, I'm just sharing my experience I know my lap times were faster on the 08 may have been a 60 year old man set up and KYB suspension.

To me is like, from college physics Newtons law of motion still applies. I'm sure central mass helps but in Physics mass is mass does not matter if it "feels light".

Sorry for being a hater I love motocross and I know I was faster on the old bike.

kkawboy14 wrote:

Shoulda tried the fastest ignition setting.....no way that old bike is faster than the 2018.

kkawboy14 wrote:

Shoulda tried the fastest ignition setting.....no way that old bike is faster than the 2018.

H4L wrote:

You really don't need to. With the standard map# 1 the power difference is noticeable enough. With the aggressive map # 3 with out a doubt...

You really don't need to. With the standard map# 1 the power difference is noticeable enough. With the aggressive map # 3 with out a doubt the 05-08 carbed models aren't in the same league powerwise.

yz133rider wrote:

Kawis are light and always sell cheap leftovers

jsmi33966 wrote:

I just bough a 2018 kx450. I pretty much had to become a suspension expert but I am liking it. I just sold my 2014 KTM...

I just bough a 2018 kx450. I pretty much had to become a suspension expert but I am liking it. I just sold my 2014 KTM 300sx and I felt safer on it just because the weight of the 450. I swapped off of a triple yesterday and I'm on the couch and with crutches now with a hurt foot for 2 weeks probably.

H4L wrote:

Not sure about your assessment. Have owned 05, 06, 08, 09, 10 (CRF450r's) models & recently picked up an 18. The power isn't even close as...

Not sure about your assessment. Have owned 05, 06, 08, 09, 10 (CRF450r's) models & recently picked up an 18. The power isn't even close as the 05-08 made about 52 hp atrw vs. the 17-18 about 58 hp..
The 05-08 feel bigger / heavier & don't turn as well as the 09+. The 18 might have gained some weight due to the ES (3-4 lb's), but the engineers did a very good job on how the weight is centralized & distributed. The 18 feels as light while in motion to a 17 1/2 KTM450sxf FE ridden.

Lightning78 wrote:

Whelp Ive owned (2) 05 CRF450’s which are incredibly close to identical to the 08 CRF450 and like Bill Lumburg “Yea umm im gonna sorta have...

Whelp Ive owned (2) 05 CRF450’s which are incredibly close to identical to the 08 CRF450 and like Bill Lumburg “Yea umm im gonna sorta have to uh disagree with you in this” i 100% agree with the statements made by the OP. Btw the 2009 CRF450 was thought to be lighter but actually gained 7-8lbs over the 2005-2008 Generation CRF450 strictly due to the addition of EFI and that bike overall was built as light as possible to mitigate the (on average) 10lb weight gain of adding EFI to the 4 strokes AND in and effort to focus on weight loss (thanks to EFI) the Honda CRF450 in 2009 went to that 4 spring clutch design and was literally the worst clutch in modern mx bike history. Not to mention they were so focused on lightening the bike they forgot to focus on bike geometry bec that 2009 CRF450 handled like muff-cabbage and back to back with the bike it replaced, the 2009 was severly lacking HP. Ergonomically speaking the 2009 was a slimmer and SMALLER bike so yes it was slimmer but in retrospect to the 2017 i looked at, no the new 2017/2018 isnt slimmer than the 2008, its about the same.

The buying public demanded EFI... as a result, the 450’s across the board gained on average 10lbs. NOW some crazy sort of human evolution mustve happened bec all of a sudden its become unbearable for some people to have to kickstart their bikes.... once again the buying public got what they wanted, electric start is standard and .... yep, you guessed it, bikes gained ANOTHER 10lbs ... so the japanese bikes have gained roughly 20 unanswered pounds for 2 modern advancements. There is your difference of 20lbs as stated by the OP. Personally I don’t agree with either these two advances although EFI was probably a necessity just for the simple fact of Supercross safety to avoid the boooog, outdoors not so much. One thing I’ve noticed is the heavier the bike the more violent the impact of a crash that just an opinion though and I don’t ride 4 strokes anymore I ride 2 strokes bec i didnt care even for the lighter and carbureted non electric start bikes. Apparently im for sure in the minority though as the general consensus of people buying bikes nowadays are that they are great and I don’t disagree they are great but at what cost they have gained 20 pounds from bike that was already heavier then the 2 strokes they replaced back in the day.

Only KTM/Husky has made a real consorted effort to put forth making their bikes lighter year by year and their MSRP cost is evident of that. Actually Kawasaki deserves a tip of the hat to this as well when they released their 2016 KX450 dropping 7.5lbs almost putting them ina class by themselves between the Austrians and their fellow Japanese competition.

H4L wrote:

Not sure about your assessment. Have owned 05, 06, 08, 09, 10 (CRF450r's) models & recently picked up an 18. The power isn't even close as...

Not sure about your assessment. Have owned 05, 06, 08, 09, 10 (CRF450r's) models & recently picked up an 18. The power isn't even close as the 05-08 made about 52 hp atrw vs. the 17-18 about 58 hp..
The 05-08 feel bigger / heavier & don't turn as well as the 09+. The 18 might have gained some weight due to the ES (3-4 lb's), but the engineers did a very good job on how the weight is centralized & distributed. The 18 feels as light while in motion to a 17 1/2 KTM450sxf FE ridden.

Lightning78 wrote:

Whelp Ive owned (2) 05 CRF450’s which are incredibly close to identical to the 08 CRF450 and like Bill Lumburg “Yea umm im gonna sorta have...

Whelp Ive owned (2) 05 CRF450’s which are incredibly close to identical to the 08 CRF450 and like Bill Lumburg “Yea umm im gonna sorta have to uh disagree with you in this” i 100% agree with the statements made by the OP. Btw the 2009 CRF450 was thought to be lighter but actually gained 7-8lbs over the 2005-2008 Generation CRF450 strictly due to the addition of EFI and that bike overall was built as light as possible to mitigate the (on average) 10lb weight gain of adding EFI to the 4 strokes AND in and effort to focus on weight loss (thanks to EFI) the Honda CRF450 in 2009 went to that 4 spring clutch design and was literally the worst clutch in modern mx bike history. Not to mention they were so focused on lightening the bike they forgot to focus on bike geometry bec that 2009 CRF450 handled like muff-cabbage and back to back with the bike it replaced, the 2009 was severly lacking HP. Ergonomically speaking the 2009 was a slimmer and SMALLER bike so yes it was slimmer but in retrospect to the 2017 i looked at, no the new 2017/2018 isnt slimmer than the 2008, its about the same.

The buying public demanded EFI... as a result, the 450’s across the board gained on average 10lbs. NOW some crazy sort of human evolution mustve happened bec all of a sudden its become unbearable for some people to have to kickstart their bikes.... once again the buying public got what they wanted, electric start is standard and .... yep, you guessed it, bikes gained ANOTHER 10lbs ... so the japanese bikes have gained roughly 20 unanswered pounds for 2 modern advancements. There is your difference of 20lbs as stated by the OP. Personally I don’t agree with either these two advances although EFI was probably a necessity just for the simple fact of Supercross safety to avoid the boooog, outdoors not so much. One thing I’ve noticed is the heavier the bike the more violent the impact of a crash that just an opinion though and I don’t ride 4 strokes anymore I ride 2 strokes bec i didnt care even for the lighter and carbureted non electric start bikes. Apparently im for sure in the minority though as the general consensus of people buying bikes nowadays are that they are great and I don’t disagree they are great but at what cost they have gained 20 pounds from bike that was already heavier then the 2 strokes they replaced back in the day.

Only KTM/Husky has made a real consorted effort to put forth making their bikes lighter year by year and their MSRP cost is evident of that. Actually Kawasaki deserves a tip of the hat to this as well when they released their 2016 KX450 dropping 7.5lbs almost putting them ina class by themselves between the Austrians and their fellow Japanese competition.

Lightning78 wrote:

Whelp Ive owned (2) 05 CRF450’s which are incredibly close to identical to the 08 CRF450 and like Bill Lumburg “Yea umm im gonna sorta have...

Whelp Ive owned (2) 05 CRF450’s which are incredibly close to identical to the 08 CRF450 and like Bill Lumburg “Yea umm im gonna sorta have to uh disagree with you in this” i 100% agree with the statements made by the OP. Btw the 2009 CRF450 was thought to be lighter but actually gained 7-8lbs over the 2005-2008 Generation CRF450 strictly due to the addition of EFI and that bike overall was built as light as possible to mitigate the (on average) 10lb weight gain of adding EFI to the 4 strokes AND in and effort to focus on weight loss (thanks to EFI) the Honda CRF450 in 2009 went to that 4 spring clutch design and was literally the worst clutch in modern mx bike history. Not to mention they were so focused on lightening the bike they forgot to focus on bike geometry bec that 2009 CRF450 handled like muff-cabbage and back to back with the bike it replaced, the 2009 was severly lacking HP. Ergonomically speaking the 2009 was a slimmer and SMALLER bike so yes it was slimmer but in retrospect to the 2017 i looked at, no the new 2017/2018 isnt slimmer than the 2008, its about the same.

The buying public demanded EFI... as a result, the 450’s across the board gained on average 10lbs. NOW some crazy sort of human evolution mustve happened bec all of a sudden its become unbearable for some people to have to kickstart their bikes.... once again the buying public got what they wanted, electric start is standard and .... yep, you guessed it, bikes gained ANOTHER 10lbs ... so the japanese bikes have gained roughly 20 unanswered pounds for 2 modern advancements. There is your difference of 20lbs as stated by the OP. Personally I don’t agree with either these two advances although EFI was probably a necessity just for the simple fact of Supercross safety to avoid the boooog, outdoors not so much. One thing I’ve noticed is the heavier the bike the more violent the impact of a crash that just an opinion though and I don’t ride 4 strokes anymore I ride 2 strokes bec i didnt care even for the lighter and carbureted non electric start bikes. Apparently im for sure in the minority though as the general consensus of people buying bikes nowadays are that they are great and I don’t disagree they are great but at what cost they have gained 20 pounds from bike that was already heavier then the 2 strokes they replaced back in the day.

Only KTM/Husky has made a real consorted effort to put forth making their bikes lighter year by year and their MSRP cost is evident of that. Actually Kawasaki deserves a tip of the hat to this as well when they released their 2016 KX450 dropping 7.5lbs almost putting them ina class by themselves between the Austrians and their fellow Japanese competition.

Lightning78 wrote:

Whelp Ive owned (2) 05 CRF450’s which are incredibly close to identical to the 08 CRF450 and like Bill Lumburg “Yea umm im gonna sorta have...

Whelp Ive owned (2) 05 CRF450’s which are incredibly close to identical to the 08 CRF450 and like Bill Lumburg “Yea umm im gonna sorta have to uh disagree with you in this” i 100% agree with the statements made by the OP. Btw the 2009 CRF450 was thought to be lighter but actually gained 7-8lbs over the 2005-2008 Generation CRF450 strictly due to the addition of EFI and that bike overall was built as light as possible to mitigate the (on average) 10lb weight gain of adding EFI to the 4 strokes AND in and effort to focus on weight loss (thanks to EFI) the Honda CRF450 in 2009 went to that 4 spring clutch design and was literally the worst clutch in modern mx bike history. Not to mention they were so focused on lightening the bike they forgot to focus on bike geometry bec that 2009 CRF450 handled like muff-cabbage and back to back with the bike it replaced, the 2009 was severly lacking HP. Ergonomically speaking the 2009 was a slimmer and SMALLER bike so yes it was slimmer but in retrospect to the 2017 i looked at, no the new 2017/2018 isnt slimmer than the 2008, its about the same.

The buying public demanded EFI... as a result, the 450’s across the board gained on average 10lbs. NOW some crazy sort of human evolution mustve happened bec all of a sudden its become unbearable for some people to have to kickstart their bikes.... once again the buying public got what they wanted, electric start is standard and .... yep, you guessed it, bikes gained ANOTHER 10lbs ... so the japanese bikes have gained roughly 20 unanswered pounds for 2 modern advancements. There is your difference of 20lbs as stated by the OP. Personally I don’t agree with either these two advances although EFI was probably a necessity just for the simple fact of Supercross safety to avoid the boooog, outdoors not so much. One thing I’ve noticed is the heavier the bike the more violent the impact of a crash that just an opinion though and I don’t ride 4 strokes anymore I ride 2 strokes bec i didnt care even for the lighter and carbureted non electric start bikes. Apparently im for sure in the minority though as the general consensus of people buying bikes nowadays are that they are great and I don’t disagree they are great but at what cost they have gained 20 pounds from bike that was already heavier then the 2 strokes they replaced back in the day.

Only KTM/Husky has made a real consorted effort to put forth making their bikes lighter year by year and their MSRP cost is evident of that. Actually Kawasaki deserves a tip of the hat to this as well when they released their 2016 KX450 dropping 7.5lbs almost putting them ina class by themselves between the Austrians and their fellow Japanese competition.

jsmi33966 wrote:

I was out at rio bravo in Houston a few weeks ago and I rode my dads 2008 cr450 that has only a TI/CF exhaust a...

I was out at rio bravo in Houston a few weeks ago and I rode my dads 2008 cr450 that has only a TI/CF exhaust a KYB swap and JM suspension revalve. Next I rode my friends 2018 cr 450 brand new stock. There was no question in my mind the 08 was faster. My dad is 65 and retired so his 08 CR is tuned perfect but my dad has also set up my friends suspension. The 2018 just felt like a fat pig with decent horsepower but as far as handling the 08 was much better to me and the 08 just looks tiny in comparison to the 2018.

What do yall think of the steady increasing weight of the bikes? The carborated 450s had plenty of power for me and I don't know about yall but I don't need electric start. When I crash in a race I'm not worried about getting the bike started for points I'm worried about making it to work.

I wish some manufacture would focus on weight and price besides KTM.