Neutral or false neutral when shifting

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1/21/2018 2:04 PM

After AC hitting neutral and crashing it got me thinking. Wouldn’t you think the factory teams would have a transmission and clutch set up that would prevent doing this.

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1/21/2018 2:41 PM

Ralph gave Emig a chance to explain or discuss what missing a gear or hitting neutral is meant... As usual Emig brought nothing to the party...there has likely been a lot of instances where a top rider has missed a gear or hit neutral resulting in an injury or a significant dnf/crash ... An example with a short story would have resulted in quality expert commentary ....IKnow it's not as easy as it looks but Emig supposed to be the guy with the experiences of racing pro, lets here some things that happen behind the scenes. Right, right, right.....

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1/21/2018 3:41 PM

sandman768 wrote:

Ralph gave Emig a chance to explain or discuss what missing a gear or hitting neutral is meant... As usual Emig brought nothing to the party...there has likely been a lot of instances where a top rider has missed a gear or hit neutral resulting in an injury or a significant dnf/crash ... An example with a short story would have resulted in quality expert commentary ....IKnow it's not as easy as it looks but Emig supposed to be the guy with the experiences of racing pro, lets here some things that happen behind the scenes. Right, right, right.....

Its like Emig cant be bothered. been a couple of times where Ralph gives him a lead in and he does nothing with it.

As for missed gears, it happens, usually pilot error. A team like PC will be changing selector drums, forks and the lever mech for fun.

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1/21/2018 4:25 PM

sandman768 wrote:

Ralph gave Emig a chance to explain or discuss what missing a gear or hitting neutral is meant... As usual Emig brought nothing to the party...there has likely been a lot of instances where a top rider has missed a gear or hit neutral resulting in an injury or a significant dnf/crash ... An example with a short story would have resulted in quality expert commentary ....IKnow it's not as easy as it looks but Emig supposed to be the guy with the experiences of racing pro, lets here some things that happen behind the scenes. Right, right, right.....

If Jeff was telling stories during the racing you would complain he needs to quit telling stories during the racing. There's no winning in here.

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1/21/2018 7:09 PM

sandman768 wrote:

Ralph gave Emig a chance to explain or discuss what missing a gear or hitting neutral is meant... As usual Emig brought nothing to the party...there has likely been a lot of instances where a top rider has missed a gear or hit neutral resulting in an injury or a significant dnf/crash ... An example with a short story would have resulted in quality expert commentary ....IKnow it's not as easy as it looks but Emig supposed to be the guy with the experiences of racing pro, lets here some things that happen behind the scenes. Right, right, right.....

Rockinar wrote:

If Jeff was telling stories during the racing you would complain he needs to quit telling stories during the racing. There's no winning in here.

Commentating most certainly isn’t easy. There must be so much going on we’ll never see. But... I’ve heard this mentioned numerous times on pulp where Jeff misses an easy chance to go in depth with certain topics for viewers and doesn’t deliver. I don’t usually catch it but it’s not just vital members, industry folks take notice too.

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1/21/2018 7:28 PM

What is false neutral? Is that just another way of saying a rider accidentally shifted into neutral? Or is it something mechanical where it somehow acts/feels like you're in neutral?

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1/21/2018 7:51 PM

Remove all false neutrals from transmissions!

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1/21/2018 7:53 PM

abomination wrote:

What is false neutral? Is that just another way of saying a rider accidentally shifted into neutral? Or is it something mechanical where it somehow acts/feels like you're in neutral?

Google it Bro

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1/21/2018 7:55 PM
Edited Date/Time: 1/22/2018 6:14 AM

sandman768 wrote:

Ralph gave Emig a chance to explain or discuss what missing a gear or hitting neutral is meant... As usual Emig brought nothing to the party...there has likely been a lot of instances where a top rider has missed a gear or hit neutral resulting in an injury or a significant dnf/crash ... An example with a short story would have resulted in quality expert commentary ....IKnow it's not as easy as it looks but Emig supposed to be the guy with the experiences of racing pro, lets here some things that happen behind the scenes. Right, right, right.....

philG wrote:

Its like Emig cant be bothered. been a couple of times where Ralph gives him a lead in and he does nothing with it.

As for missed gears, it happens, usually pilot error. A team like PC will be changing selector drums, forks and the lever mech for fun.

You ever file a drum to make it nearly impossible to find neutral? I had a Kawi 125 years ago that I hit neutral more than I hit first. Rounded the endges of the shift drum between first and second and it worked like a charm....Had to shut the bike off to get it into neutral though...

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Tomac and/or Anderson for 2020.....

1/21/2018 8:25 PM

Thought the PC bikes had 3 or 4 speeds and it was N on the bottom?

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-'09 KX500AF

- '19 KX450F

1/21/2018 8:37 PM

JBernard_401 wrote:

Thought the PC bikes had 3 or 4 speeds and it was N on the bottom?

Where did you hear that? I'm not sure what the production / OEM rule stands on transmissions , but I don't know if that would even be legal? Would it?

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1/21/2018 8:41 PM

kkawboy14 wrote:

Google it Bro

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Learn how to spell 'neutral', bro.

So you need to shift again? Or it's a temporary thing that corrects itself?

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1/21/2018 8:48 PM

jeffro503 wrote:

Where did you hear that? I'm not sure what the production / OEM rule stands on transmissions , but I don't know if that would even be legal? Would it?

Could have sworn Cosworth or some Euro company custom did their transmissions and custom ratios. And aren't a lot of 450 teams using wider spaced geared transmissions?

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-'09 KX500AF

- '19 KX450F

1/21/2018 9:17 PM

Always thought of false neutral as when you go to shift up and don't put enough pressure on the gear lever resulting in the the bike feeling like its in neutral for a split second or two. Then it engages into the gear.

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1/21/2018 11:22 PM

False neutral is just another way of describing the dumbgeon.

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1/22/2018 1:18 AM

Maybe emig was baked again

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1/22/2018 5:48 AM

Emig doesn't bother me much. But why the hell does he always say, so and so grabbed to much front brake every time someone washes a front end? That drives me crazy.

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1/22/2018 6:37 AM

ONE TIME I HITTED NEUTREL IN THE BRAKING BUMPS AND FALLED RIGHT INTO THE BAR PAD AND GOED OFF THE TRACK AND ALMOST HITTED THE FENCE PEOPLE EVEN STARTED RUNNED AWAY BUT I JSUT MISSED IT AND THE BIKE COME TO A STOP

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1/22/2018 7:07 AM

tylermx967 wrote:

ONE TIME I HITTED NEUTREL IN THE BRAKING BUMPS AND FALLED RIGHT INTO THE BAR PAD AND GOED OFF THE TRACK AND ALMOST HITTED THE FENCE PEOPLE EVEN STARTED RUNNED AWAY BUT I JSUT MISSED IT AND THE BIKE COME TO A STOP

Gold.

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1/22/2018 7:07 AM
Edited Date/Time: 1/22/2018 7:09 AM

tylermx967 wrote:

ONE TIME I HITTED NEUTREL IN THE BRAKING BUMPS AND FALLED RIGHT INTO THE BAR PAD AND GOED OFF THE TRACK AND ALMOST HITTED THE FENCE PEOPLE EVEN STARTED RUNNED AWAY BUT I JSUT MISSED IT AND THE BIKE COME TO A STOP

^^^ that was real neutrl tho bro. false nutral is diff. its when you thinks you in nutral, but ur really in gear. it usully results in loop outs

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1/22/2018 7:10 AM

abomination wrote:

What is false neutral? Is that just another way of saying a rider accidentally shifted into neutral? Or is it something mechanical where it somehow acts/feels like you're in neutral?

kkawboy14 wrote:

Google it Bro

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abomination wrote:

Learn how to spell 'neutral', bro.

So you need to shift again? Or it's a temporary thing that corrects itself?

Sorry!

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1/22/2018 8:28 AM

tylermx967 wrote:

ONE TIME I HITTED NEUTREL IN THE BRAKING BUMPS AND FALLED RIGHT INTO THE BAR PAD AND GOED OFF THE TRACK AND ALMOST HITTED THE FENCE PEOPLE EVEN STARTED RUNNED AWAY BUT I JSUT MISSED IT AND THE BIKE COME TO A STOP

BAHAHAHA i literally get giddy whenever im scrolling down a post and i see "tylers" tell tale sign of all caps and begin laughing out loud before i even read the first word just knowing how funny its going to be

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1/22/2018 9:41 AM

tylermx967 wrote:

ONE TIME I HITTED NEUTREL IN THE BRAKING BUMPS AND FALLED RIGHT INTO THE BAR PAD AND GOED OFF THE TRACK AND ALMOST HITTED THE FENCE PEOPLE EVEN STARTED RUNNED AWAY BUT I JSUT MISSED IT AND THE BIKE COME TO A STOP

Way to keep the spectators on there toes!

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