Need advice on a suspension swap / cost between two parties.

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Hey guys.....I haven't ever done this before so I could use some advice on this.

One of my best friends has an 18.5' KTM 450. He has the full Kreft conversion done on both forks and shock. Total on that was close to $1900.00. He has 20 hours on the bike , since that work has been done. He has now swapped over to a 19' Kawi 450.

We want to swap my brand new forks and shock on my 18' TC 250. We need to send it to Kreft and get it all serviced and then setup for my weight and so forth.

If you were in our shoes and wanted to do this swap.....what would be fair to the both of us?
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mxb2 11/12/2018 12:19pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Hey guys.....I haven't ever done this before so I could use some advice on this. One of my best friends has an 18.5' KTM 450. He...
Hey guys.....I haven't ever done this before so I could use some advice on this.

One of my best friends has an 18.5' KTM 450. He has the full Kreft conversion done on both forks and shock. Total on that was close to $1900.00. He has 20 hours on the bike , since that work has been done. He has now swapped over to a 19' Kawi 450.

We want to swap my brand new forks and shock on my 18' TC 250. We need to send it to Kreft and get it all serviced and then setup for my weight and so forth.

If you were in our shoes and wanted to do this swap.....what would be fair to the both of us?
Why not send yours in? Why trade.
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jeffro503 wrote:
Hey guys.....I haven't ever done this before so I could use some advice on this. One of my best friends has an 18.5' KTM 450. He...
Hey guys.....I haven't ever done this before so I could use some advice on this.

One of my best friends has an 18.5' KTM 450. He has the full Kreft conversion done on both forks and shock. Total on that was close to $1900.00. He has 20 hours on the bike , since that work has been done. He has now swapped over to a 19' Kawi 450.

We want to swap my brand new forks and shock on my 18' TC 250. We need to send it to Kreft and get it all serviced and then setup for my weight and so forth.

If you were in our shoes and wanted to do this swap.....what would be fair to the both of us?
mxb2 wrote:
Why not send yours in? Why trade.
Well.... because he could re-coop some of the money and I could save some. And right now we're just trying to figure out how to make it work for the both of us.
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jeffro503 wrote:
Hey guys.....I haven't ever done this before so I could use some advice on this. One of my best friends has an 18.5' KTM 450. He...
Hey guys.....I haven't ever done this before so I could use some advice on this.

One of my best friends has an 18.5' KTM 450. He has the full Kreft conversion done on both forks and shock. Total on that was close to $1900.00. He has 20 hours on the bike , since that work has been done. He has now swapped over to a 19' Kawi 450.

We want to swap my brand new forks and shock on my 18' TC 250. We need to send it to Kreft and get it all serviced and then setup for my weight and so forth.

If you were in our shoes and wanted to do this swap.....what would be fair to the both of us?
mxb2 wrote:
Why not send yours in? Why trade.
jeffro503 wrote:
Well.... because he could re-coop some of the money and I could save some. And right now we're just trying to figure out how to make...
Well.... because he could re-coop some of the money and I could save some. And right now we're just trying to figure out how to make it work for the both of us.
Depends on how much it will cost you to get ut set up for you. Springs, labor, wear parts,oil, etc.
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c0ncEpT 11/12/2018 1:55pm
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If your fronting the cost to get your forks freshened I'd say $500-$800.

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mattyhamz2 11/12/2018 2:36pm
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For me, no way am I giving up my brand new suspension for someone else's used stuff. I'd rather spend the money on my new stuff to get setup for me. Just my opinion
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swtwtwtw 11/12/2018 2:42pm
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My opinion is the stock is freaking good, and it would be unwise to change it.
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Falcon 11/12/2018 2:43pm
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Have you ridden your buddy's KTM? Do you even like the suspension? How different apart are you in weight and speed?

I'd start with those questions and then decide. If you really like his setup, then maybe it's worth making the switch.

Also, he's not going to get very much value out of the Kreft stuff when he sells the unit, so really he should not expect to get a lot from you for the components. If anything, your new suspension benefits his used bike in stock form more than his Kreft stuff does.
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Jdawggg 11/12/2018 2:59pm
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If he leaves it on the bike when he sales it he will get "0" for it buyers don't care about that stuff.. So I would say straight across your freshies will look good on his bike for resale and he will be doing his friend a solid...
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If he leaves it on the bike when he sales it he will get "0" for it buyers don't care about that stuff.. So I would...
If he leaves it on the bike when he sales it he will get "0" for it buyers don't care about that stuff.. So I would say straight across your freshies will look good on his bike for resale and he will be doing his friend a solid...
Whole lot of truth in that. Aftermarket accessories and suspension set ups don't add much, if any value to a used bike.
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Justin345 11/12/2018 3:27pm
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People are paying almost $2k for a revalve/rework of stock suspension?! A little more $ and he could have bought used cone valves and resold for what he paid (yes, I realize the cost included his shock as well).

To answer your question, if his set was just serviced and you liked the way it’s set up, I’d say a swap + $500. If it’s got 20 hours on it, it’ll have to be serviced with fresh oil and wear parts, so less money in that case.
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oceantrav 11/12/2018 3:57pm
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Why would you give him anything? His bike will probably sell easier with your stock stuff on it. You should be getting some cash from him lol
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CarlinoJoeVideo 11/12/2018 4:36pm
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Play poker over it: $500 or nothing.
$400 + your new forks.

How much is Kreft going to charge to set up for your weight? Sounds like you will be almost $1000 out of pocket?

Personally, I'd wait and find a set a KYB or Cone Valves for $1500-$1800. you can sell them and get most of your money back.
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Talisker 11/12/2018 6:48pm
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Straight trade.... thats if he’s a real buddy.
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jeffro503 11/12/2018 8:50pm
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Well..... definitely some good opinions here on this. He's been one of my best friend's and riding buddies for 35+ years , so we'll either figure something out or not. It was mainly just an idea being thrown around between him and myself. I do realize my stuff is brand spanking new , so that in itself is worth something. I hate seeing him lose all that coin , and I want to do the Kreft setup anyways.....so I was trying to think of a way we could both come out ahead.
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jeffro503 11/12/2018 8:50pm
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Btw....thanks for the input you guys!
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KDXGarage 11/12/2018 11:01pm
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Are these parts that could be swapped into your forks turning his forks into regular forks??

What is a Kreft conversion?

$1,900 adds about $100 per hour to his cost on a very expensive bike to start with. Congratulations.

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jeffro503 11/12/2018 11:21pm
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Are these parts that could be swapped into your forks turning his forks into regular forks?? What is a Kreft conversion? $1,900 adds about $100 per...
Are these parts that could be swapped into your forks turning his forks into regular forks??

What is a Kreft conversion?

$1,900 adds about $100 per hour to his cost on a very expensive bike to start with. Congratulations.
Yes , they could be all swapped out , and that is something I have considered asking him about. Basically my suspension is is exactly like his is. Butt the cost of only swapping out " some " of the parts and then getting it set up for me , is where we need to think things out. He weighs about 215lbs and the suspension is on a 450. Where I weigh about 185 - 190lbs and it's going on a 250 2 stroke.

There is quite a bit of money sitting inside his suspension , which doesn't really have any re-sale value , as with any suspension that gets upgrades. But it's a setup that I was going to get anyways , we just can't really figure out what the trade value is. I have brand new stock stuff , and he has used modified stuff , that would need to be re-worked in order for it to work on my bike at my weight.
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erik_94COBRA 11/13/2018 4:48am
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Brand new AER forks sell for $1k +/- on eBay. Brand new late model shocks sell for $400 +/-.

Used and revalved components would only sell for more if the setup is already well matched for the buyer.
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APLMAN99 11/13/2018 5:57am
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Take the cost he has in his suspension mods and multiply that by half. Then subtract how much it will cost to get it "tuned" to your needs. That'd be how I'd figure the monetary part of the deal......

The rest of the deal might include you inviting him over to grill the finest Wagyu beef that you can find paired with copious amounts of the beverage of his choice.

Then it's a win/win for all involved.
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I’ve ridden Kreft and it s worthy stuff so I understand your wanting to go that direction but Does your stock bike need the upgrade?
If so I’d use the stock suspension and send it to Kreft for mods that are designed for you and the 250.

Switching around with your buddy creats more issues than it solves IMO.


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Moto520 11/13/2018 7:54am
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I think it helps the resale value on his bike to sell it with "new" suspension vs the 20 hrs. Even swap!
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jeffro503 11/13/2018 8:18am
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Thinking about this quite a bit last night. Not sure exactly what I'll do just yet. I know on my 17' 125 , I got the stock suspension working " ok " after doing quite a few adjustments , but it was night and day better after FC did it. And the few guy's out this way I know real well are swearing their Kreft setup is incredible. I may however wait a while , get some more time on the stock stuff and then get mine done. Right now it's hard to tell because I only got 20 mins on the bike and I need a few hours to break all the suspension in. Feels terrible right now.
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dl117 11/13/2018 11:55am
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a couple buddies of mine just did this with a pro circuit pipe and suspension, put all the stock shit off buddy A's bike onto buddy B's bike and $250 cash to boot, buddy B was selling his so cheap that he just wanted a little for the extras.

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